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saj42 -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/13/2006 3:12:04 PM)
Well done! Your Inf Divs might be wrecked but what great experience levels they now have. As most of the damage was disabled squads you won't be getting too many replacements to cause the experience to be diluted.

timtom -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/13/2006 4:39:09 PM)
Noticed that the LCU's at Kwai were at 100% strength, disruption nonwithstanding. Did they have replacements toggled "on"? If so, how many LCU elements have been permanently lost?

castor troy -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/13/2006 7:05:47 PM)
I find it quite strange that all divs are at 100% strenght. This means they didn´t lost a single gun, sqad or anything! [X(] How can that be?

Speedysteve -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/13/2006 7:16:52 PM)
Super Marines a la Universal Soldier........[;)]

duckenf -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/13/2006 11:09:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac I may be able to free up ABDA ground forces and assault shipping sufficient for a 4 - 6 Divisional assault on Bombay or Karachi but it is not likely. Andy I'd be wary even in 1944 of a 4-6 divisional assault on Bombay or Karachi. You'd have to use all your forces for the attack and he only has to defend those two hexes to prevent your reinforcements from arriving. There would be a big chance your troops wouldn't succeed and then you'd lose the 4-6 divisions. Now, if you can invade Malaysia/Burma and cut India off from supply, then you could do it with a high probability of success.

Andy Mac -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/14/2006 12:26:15 AM)
Aye as I said not sure what happens. My Divs suffered casualties in landing but have been taking on replacements as we go from the huge supply stockpile I landed. (33rd Div took a real beating as the last one to land in the teeth of un suppressed guns but ironically lost the fewest disabled squads as the post landing shock attack was at 3:1 not 0:1 like the rest) Most of the Armour is at 90/90 so there is a tendency for armour to take heavier actual casualties but they reciover so dammed fast !!!!

Sneer -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/14/2006 10:57:24 AM)
troops regained losses in same turn - strange

castor troy -> RE: Beer lands up in Jap hands !!!!!! (2/14/2006 1:38:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: medck quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac I may be able to free up ABDA ground forces and assault shipping sufficient for a 4 - 6 Divisional assault on Bombay or Karachi but it is not likely. Andy I'd be wary even in 1944 of a 4-6 divisional assault on Bombay or Karachi. You'd have to use all your forces for the attack and he only has to defend those two hexes to prevent your reinforcements from arriving. There would be a big chance your troops wouldn't succeed and then you'd lose the 4-6 divisions. Now, if you can invade Malaysia/Burma and cut India off from supply, then you could do it with a high probability of success. India doesn´t need supply from Burma. There are so many ressource and HI centers it produces far more supplies than it needs.

rroberson -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/14/2006 6:59:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac For the next 6 months its a case of grind accross the pacific and NG to get his atrtrention focused. This happens in any event. The decision point is do I go Marianas/PI or go for a deeper strike at that point. I havent decided one way or the other yet but I am thinking about it. Andy Don't play the MacArthur card...bypass the big japanese prison camps and strike deeply and hard.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/17/2006 10:18:04 PM)
Congrats to PZB on 100k hits Now on with the war Maloep fell thank god only Entiwok remains in the Marshalls 3 RCT's will land in the first wave and I will bring in others as required. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/17/2006 10:20:06 PM)
Losses on my Divs recovered pretty quickly but not instantaneous Andy

timtom -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/18/2006 3:33:26 PM)
Hi Andy, if you've got the time, could you possibly track the losses of you LCU's when you hit Enewitok, either by looking at the VP increase or by tracking the actual losses, which I guess is only really practical if you turn off replacements. The aim is two-fold: To understand the actual cost of a late-war atoll landing. # To reinforce the arguement that land combat isn't deadly enough in general, ie losses are mainly in the disabled category. This eventually leads to a "winner takes it all" situation, where the weaker side is destroyed and the stronger side left effectively unscathed. This of course has important implications for the late-war Japanese strategy, as he can't hope to bleed the Allied player. No Iwo's in WitP... How long do you think it'll be before the Kwai LCU's will be ready for offensive operations? Thanks, Tom

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/18/2006 7:07:15 PM)
OK no probs Timtom. I am going to try and hit entiwock with 2 Divs plus armour. My Divs will need 3 months to recuperate. Although 33rd will be ready in about 1 month. So by the time they are prepped they should be ready. Now to pick a target.... After Entiwok I will be splitting my amphib assets transferring most back to SW PAC/ SOPAC. Time is a real factor here I feel behind the curve and need to accelerate but I have no idea how fast to move. Andy AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/02/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on IND IV Corps, at 22,3 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 18 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 10 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 7 B5N Kate x 30 B6N Jill x 27 G4M1 Betty x 9 G4M2 Betty x 36 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 71 Ki-21 Sally x 26 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 20 casualties reported Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 94 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet 32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet 31 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 7 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 15 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 27 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet 27 x B5N Kate bombing at 10000 feet 6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 4 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet 10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet 4 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 10000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Eniwetok , at 76,74 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 45 PB4Y Liberator x 24 B-24D Liberator x 26 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 15 casualties reported Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 100 Aircraft Attacking: 18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 8 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 19th/A Division, at 82,81 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 141 F4U-1 Corsair x 12 SB2C Helldiver x 111 TBM Avenger x 72 P-40N Warhawk x 16 P-47C Thunderbolt x 53 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 109 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet 11 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet 35 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet 12 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 17 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 12 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 17 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 13 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 7 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 7 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 7 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 7 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 7 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 7 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 24 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 18 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet 5 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet 4 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet 6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 11 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 19th/A Division, at 82,81 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 8 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 8 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Maloelap Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 22992 troops, 139 guns, 123 vehicles Defending force 3636 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 152 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 1084 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Allied ground losses: 171 casualties reported

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/19/2006 12:09:00 AM)
For those of you concerned with the to quick recovery of units here is a little stat for you. 7th Inf Div on 24/12/43 had 46 AV and was 59/100 on 5/1/44 it had 159 AV and had recovered to 70/100. On average just under 1% recovery in full supply with HQ present per day in a non Malaria Base. Now Combat arms appear to recover far more quickly that support as indicated by the rise in AV of the unit c 10 AV points per day. 37th Inf Div on 24/12/43 had 91 AV and was 64/100 on 5/1/44 it had 165 AV and had recovered to 71/100. On average just under 0.5% recovery in full supply with HQ present per day in a non Malaria Base. Now Combat arms also appear to recover far more quickly that support as indicated by the rise in AV of the unit c 6 AV points per day. Interesting

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/19/2006 8:24:29 PM)
Believe it or not this is a quiet turn. My 2 new Essex's are headingto join the fleet at Kwal. 1st Aphib TF has been diverted to Gili Gili to pick up 3rd NZ for the assault on Aitape. I estimate a month before the NG Campaign heats up again. Operation Sleep (Entiwok) is under way its not as organised as the invasion of Kwal because I have had loading problems but my fleet will rendevous 60 miles from Entiwok. After the troops are ashore I will divert 4 CV TF's to NG for Operation Gold, 2 of the CV's will return to Pearl to provide Commerce cover and get sys damage down as will 2 of my BB's. The BB's will be replaced by the Iowas due soon and the CV's by the 2 new Essex's that have just arrived. Andy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on IND IV Corps, at 22,3 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 13 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 33 D4Y Judy x 27 B5N Kate x 30 B6N Jill x 27 G4M1 Betty x 9 G4M2 Betty x 36 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 72 Ki-21 Sally x 26 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 28 casualties reported Airbase hits 14 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 167 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 233 D4Y Judy x 24 B5N Kate x 45 B6N Jill x 32 G4M1 Betty x 25 G4M2 Betty x 77 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 106 Ki-21 Sally x 26 Ki-48 Lily x 27 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 86 casualties reported Airbase hits 29 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 348 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Eniwetok , at 76,74 Allied aircraft P-47D Thunderbolt x 18 B-25J Mitchell x 40 PB4Y Liberator x 20 B-24D Liberator x 34 Allied aircraft losses B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 69 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Port hits 4 Port fuel hits 5 Port supply hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 77 B-25J Mitchell x 128 B-17E Fortress x 48 B-24D Liberator x 96 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 83 casualties reported Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 8 Runway hits 91 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 46 B-17E Fortress x 26 PB4Y Liberator x 9 B-24J Liberator x 58 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 36 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 12 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 81 Aircraft Attacking: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Day Air attack on Emirau Island , at 60,84 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 29 B-24J Liberator x 77 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 67 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 122 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 43,35 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 11 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 11 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wotje , at 82,79 Allied aircraft SB2C Helldiver x 7 TBF Avenger x 10 P-47D Thunderbolt x 23 Allied aircraft losses SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged TBF Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 35,54 Japanese Ships TK Kyuei Maru TK Yamazuru Maru PC Ch 23 PC Ch 2 PC Tama Maru #8 PG Santos Maru PG Saiko Maru PG Kogyoku Maru PG Kiso Maru PG Kanko Maru MSW Toshi Maru #7 MSW Kyo Maru #3 MSW Hinode Maru #18 MSW Hinode Maru #17 DD Arashio Allied Ships SS Robalo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 35,54 Japanese Ships PC Shonan Maru #17 PC Fumi Maru #3 PG Shinko Maru #3 PG Nikkai Maru PG Kyo Maru #10 PG Keiko Maru PG Chosa Maru Allied Ships SS Robalo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 35,54 Japanese Ships TK San Ramon Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire PC Ch 23 PC Ch 2 PC Tama Maru #8 PG Santos Maru PG Saiko Maru PG Kogyoku Maru PG Kiso Maru PG Kanko Maru MSW Toshi Maru #7 MSW Kyo Maru #3 MSW Hinode Maru #18 MSW Hinode Maru #17 DD Arashio Allied Ships SS Robalo, hits 1, on fire

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Goblin is GOGOGO !!!! (2/19/2006 8:27:03 PM)
I raided Wake today just for the hell of it I have no intention of attacking it but it may make PZB divert resouce. Fleet sailed today for Entiwock after I take this island this campaign is over for 3 months and the focus switches back to SOPAC and SWPAC. Plus I am considering a deep strike on Bali just to annoy PZB AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/06/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 175 D4Y Judy x 24 B5N Kate x 18 B6N Jill x 16 G4M1 Betty x 25 G4M2 Betty x 60 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35 Ki-21 Sally x 3 Ki-48 Lily x 10 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 75 casualties reported Airbase hits 11 Runway hits 208 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 69 B-25J Mitchell x 137 B-17E Fortress x 41 B-24D Liberator x 91 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 23 casualties reported Airbase hits 13 Airbase supply hits 22 Runway hits 250 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 46 B-17E Fortress x 26 PB4Y Liberator x 8 B-24J Liberator x 38 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 11 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 94 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 24 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed H8K Emily: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 22 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 43,35 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 13 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 15 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 13 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wotje , at 82,79 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 2 TBM Avenger x 6 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet

Andy Mac -> DAMMED AIR ASW (2/19/2006 11:51:15 PM)
I am not happy I just had 5 subs hit in one day by air ASW how am I supoposed to launch anything like an Sub offensive aganst that I may have to withdraw all subs again this stinks !!! My air isnt launching against Entiwok ANdy AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/08/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74 Allied Ships DD Braine DD Bradford DD Boyd DD Bennett DD Beale DD Bache DD Charles Ausburne DD Anthony DD Ammen BB Alabama BB South Dakota BB North Carolina BB Idaho Japanese ground losses: 775 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Airbase hits 6 Runway hits 53 Port hits 3 Port supply hits 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 36,55 Japanese Ships PG Shinko Maru #3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage PC Shonan Maru #17 PC Fumi Maru #3 PG Nikkai Maru PG Kyo Maru #10 PG Keiko Maru PG Chosa Maru Allied Ships SS Balao -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 177 D4Y Judy x 24 B6N Jill x 16 G4M2 Betty x 53 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 220 Aircraft Attacking: 36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet 24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 20 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet 26 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 72 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 14 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet 1 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 5 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 2 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet 4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet 2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet 2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Aru Island , at 39,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 22 Ki-46-III Dinah x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied ground losses: 54 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 14 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 43 B-24J Liberator x 43 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-57-II Topsy: 3 destroyed Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 30 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Eniwetok , at 76,74 Allied aircraft P-47D Thunderbolt x 34 B-25J Mitchell x 43 PB4Y Liberator x 24 B-24D Liberator x 37 Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 21 casualties reported Port hits 8 Port supply hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 14 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 56 B-25J Mitchell x 117 B-24J Liberator x 11 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 36 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 59 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 25 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 23 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 38 B-17E Fortress x 18 PB4Y Liberator x 6 B-24J Liberator x 36 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 41 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 38 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 12 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 8000 feet 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 8000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Admiralty Islands , at 58,84 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 29 B-24J Liberator x 73 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 34 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Port hits 7 Port supply hits 14 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 23 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 27 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 14 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Aru Island , at 39,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-46-III Dinah x 1 No Japanese losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wotje , at 82,79 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 4 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 3 damaged Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 36,55 Japanese Ships TK Akebono Maru TK Sanraku Maru TK Hoyo Maru PC Ch 23 PC Ch 2 PC Tama Maru #8 PG Santos Maru PG Saiko Maru PG Kogyoku Maru PG Kiso Maru PG Kanko Maru MSW Toshi Maru #7 MSW Kyo Maru #3 MSW Hinode Maru #18 MSW Hinode Maru #17 DD Arashio Allied Ships SS Balao -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 36,55 Japanese Ships PC Shonan Maru #17 PC Fumi Maru #3 PG Nikkai Maru PG Kyo Maru #10 PG Keiko Maru PG Chosa Maru Allied Ships SS Balao

asdicus -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 12:57:10 AM)
Andy Re air asw if it was me I would sort out an agreed set of houserules with my opponent to stop players exploiting known game bugs or issues. The patch you are using (v1.50 I believe) has well known problems with aircraft attacks vs subs - matrix admitted as much by changing the code in a later beta patch. By keeping the older patch but exploiting the known bugs the chances of player bickering seem very high to me. I also notice your opponent uses very large numbers (10 or more) of escorts for his shipping - again exploiting the known problems with overdone ship asw in v1.50. I hesitate to openly criticise what some may consider 'gamey play' but I do know that such things can become very frustrating in a closely matched game such as yours. In my own pbm game we use v1.50 as well and have mutually agreed a few houserules to make things more sensible ( non patrol or floatplane air groups can only set search up to 20% max, max escorts(of any ship type with depth charges) of 8 for any taskforce and so forth). It all makes for a better game in my view and cuts down on the chances of player moans at ahistorical results.

Andy Mac -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 12:08:58 PM)
I raised this before and with all the other innacuracies in the game PZB is unwilling to agree houserules on this area. I respect his position on this one but I dont like it. I will persevere with my Sub campagn until losses become to severe

rroberson -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 6:53:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac I raised this before and with all the other innacuracies in the game PZB is unwilling to agree houserules on this area. I respect his position on this one but I dont like it. I will persevere with my Sub campagn until losses become to severe Thats a real shame. Though it is something you can exploit too. [:D]

Nomad -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 7:25:44 PM)
I didn't like it much either, that is why I had my subs either in port or on patrol in the north pacific. every time I tried to send them to interdict his shipping they got smothered with 100+ aircraft in every hex. He would not back off so I just went with it, basically fighting the war without subs. [:(]

rroberson -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 7:46:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nomad I didn't like it much either, that is why I had my subs either in port or on patrol in the north pacific. every time I tried to send them to interdict his shipping they got smothered with 100+ aircraft in every hex. He would not back off so I just went with it, basically fighting the war without subs. [:(] Use them as mine layers. In one of my games with "open" rules (asw deathstars) I have taken to using my submarines to mine all of my opp's harbors. It works like a charm. Not only does he have to spend alot of MSW sweeping, my subs are never in the same place more then one turn. I can get in...drop a mine and out before is ASW forces can respond. If my subs cross a transport or warship on their way in and out...they attack it with torpedos...if not...they return home to pick up more mines and its wash, rinse, repeat. It is the most effective way to employ American submarines...and my sub losses went way down due to using them this way. Plus it keeps his MSW units very busy so they can't be used as ASW platforms.

Ron Saueracker -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 8:01:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rroberson quote: ORIGINAL: Nomad I didn't like it much either, that is why I had my subs either in port or on patrol in the north pacific. every time I tried to send them to interdict his shipping they got smothered with 100+ aircraft in every hex. He would not back off so I just went with it, basically fighting the war without subs. [:(] Use them as mine layers. In one of my games with "open" rules (asw deathstars) I have taken to using my submarines to mine all of my opp's harbors. It works like a charm. Not only does he have to spend alot of MSW sweeping, my subs are never in the same place more then one turn. I can get in...drop a mine and out before is ASW forces can respond. If my subs cross a transport or warship on their way in and out...they attack it with torpedos...if not...they return home to pick up more mines and its wash, rinse, repeat. It is the most effective way to employ American submarines...and my sub losses went way down due to using them this way. Plus it keeps his MSW units very busy so they can't be used as ASW platforms. Well, I'm pretty sure they are going to address the sub visibility issue, I just hope they go far enough. Nothing worse than seeing players have to radically alter the way assets were historically used because the model is so far off it is possible to use them totally ahistorically or not at all.

Nomad -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 8:11:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rroberson quote: ORIGINAL: Nomad I didn't like it much either, that is why I had my subs either in port or on patrol in the north pacific. every time I tried to send them to interdict his shipping they got smothered with 100+ aircraft in every hex. He would not back off so I just went with it, basically fighting the war without subs. [:(] Use them as mine layers. In one of my games with "open" rules (asw deathstars) I have taken to using my submarines to mine all of my opp's harbors. It works like a charm. Not only does he have to spend alot of MSW sweeping, my subs are never in the same place more then one turn. I can get in...drop a mine and out before is ASW forces can respond. If my subs cross a transport or warship on their way in and out...they attack it with torpedos...if not...they return home to pick up more mines and its wash, rinse, repeat. It is the most effective way to employ American submarines...and my sub losses went way down due to using them this way. Plus it keeps his MSW units very busy so they can't be used as ASW platforms. I tried that, they got hit trying to get to a harbor. Get within 6 hexes of any level 4 airfield and they go blub - blub. He has about 1200+ LB on ASW patrol.

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/20/2006 9:54:54 PM)
Well you cant blame him for not agreeing this houserule, because he already lost most of its submarine fleet because of wrong ASW model in this game.

frank1970 -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/21/2006 9:19:23 AM)
Of course can one blame him. It is only the question whether it is fair. [;)]

Andy Mac -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/21/2006 12:33:59 PM)
I dont blame him but it is annoying !!!! I will win out but I may need to send the allied deathstar in to annihalate these ASW bombers As his pilot quality starts to fall this will become less of an issue

Hipper -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/21/2006 2:14:22 PM)
To be honest if the japanese did use 1200+ planes as asw assets in the DEI / Japan area submarine operations would have been a bit dicy. hipper

Sneer -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/21/2006 3:18:21 PM)
can't blame Pzb he concentrated so big ASW assets in region - you need to try hit him outside of base areas even if it is difficult if player ties assets and burn lots of supply why shouldn't he have results ?

Andy Mac -> RE: DAMMED AIR ASW (2/23/2006 7:51:41 PM)
Hmmm not sure if I agree. 1200 aircraft is a lot but its an AF without the technical expertise of Coastal Command operating in deep water (none of my subs are in shallow) hitting 5 or 6 subs a day is extreme. However cest la vie we move on Operation Sleep goes in tonight I will monitor the condition of the units after they land. This op is not as well planned as Kwal so I am not expecting great results. For all you amphib commanders out there my number 1 tip is ARMOUR ARMOUR ARMOUR it is tanks that win battles on atolls (so far). Andy

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