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Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 4:45:14 PM)
One other point is my intel tells me that he is actually quite weak ahead of me I am reconning 4 bases a day at the moment and I am NOT finding any massive troop concentrations or bases towards Java or up into Borneo. I may have options to be really obnoxious here and move forward rapidly. Eventually he will have to react and pull forces from the East. I estimate 25 - 30 days before all ships will be in position to start loading for Thunderchild. I may take one of the other Marshall bases to give me more places to base airpower. The allies have soo much airpower at this stage of the war it is annoying not to be able to use it all. Andy Minotaur is a an extended diversion/attrition battle remember the main focus is Thunderchild:The battle of Tinian !!!!!

Mike Solli -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 4:46:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac I may take one of the other Marshall bases to give me more places to base airpower. The allies have soo much airpower at this stage of the war it is annoying not to be able to use it all. Andy Geez, what a rough life..... [:'(]

frank1970 -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 5:34:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac My combat power is shifting East so there isnt that much left in the West ergo he cannot really hurt me there. My Convoys are as secure as I am willing to make them I have a sub picket force and LR Search A/c covering NORPAC The other gaps are not that far away from CV's and or heavy LBA. He can raid he can even irritate me but I doube he can launch a crippling blow. His Carriers are mostly in dry dock still he does get a few more before the year end but to be honest I doubt he will use them and if he does so be it. (All my heavies are permanently on 20% search) What I am saying is I need to drive forward while I can, while its easy and while its low risk. It is clear to me you want to use your good situation now, but just imagine your amphibious corps have made their landings, your carriers are doing heavy cap duty and your supplies will be reduced to a mere rinse because PzB destroyed two of your supply convoys between the Westcoast and Pearl Harbour. The US have lost lots of AKs yet. Do you have enough to transport all supplies you need for a long campaign? Just calculate the needs of your bombers. Make your convoys save. I am quite cautious, I know, but I follow this AAR from the very beginning and I have a very high opinion of PzBs raids and his ability to see a chance and use it. The destruction of 50AKs in a raid would slow down your offensive very much.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 6:12:03 PM)
Ah k I understand the misunderstanding Kwaj has 999,999 fuel and supplies Etiwok has 500k of each and building Tarawa has 250k of each PH has 999,999 of each Another 200 - 300k of each are in convoys en route beteen Pearl and Marshalls Supplies will not be an issue for the CENTPAC offensive !!!

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 6:17:33 PM)
50 AK's would be an annoyance now and would only really impact SWPAC who would lose out in the priority shuffle. It would have been critical for Hydra in SWPAC when I was scrabbling about for supplies but I have made sure that I have stockpiled massive quantaties ready for this offensive. I have had 3 months since the invasion of Entiwock to get ready for this. I have been assiduously stockpiling for Thunderchild for months via small convoys. I rarely have more than 2 or 3 AK's in harbour at San Fran they are all out hauling supplies. I started with about 2 mill of each forward dumped for Hydra and by the end I was short of fuel and down to 500k in supplies. Thunderchild should be less fuel and supply intensive because my whole force is hitting one objective more or less. I view the PH reserve as my 'exploitation reserve' if he hasnt properly garrisoned.

Mike Solli -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 6:22:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Ah k I understand the misunderstanding Kwaj has 999,999 fuel and supplies Etiwok has 500k of each and building Tarawa has 250k of each PH has 999,999 of each Another 200 - 300k of each are in convoys en route beteen Pearl and Marshalls Supplies will not be an issue for the CENTPAC offensive !!! [X(] That's not a problem the Japanese will ever have. [:(]

Sneer -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 6:28:44 PM)
how many AKs did you loose till now???

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 6:45:38 PM)
I will add them up tonight but pretty much all the CW ones. Not sure about others. p.s. I have a stockpile of Seabees and other units at San Fran that I cannot ship forward as I dont have enough AP's and have been avoiding using AK's) Ill do a full piccie summary of situation tonight !!!

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/28/2006 9:55:46 PM)
p.s. I am well aware of the quality of PZB's raids if not always the sanity [:D][:D] I am well covered against raids and most of my convoys are small. My PB4Y's are on high search in the Aleutians and Pearl and I have a sub picket in the gap. My troop convoys all have aircover (next one is 11th Airborne) this is all standard practice More likely is that he could raid between the Marshalls and Solomons or the Marshalls and the Pearl although this would be very high risk with my carriers not committed. Both of these he has tried before. But honestly I do not expect it he has to know my CENTPAC offensive is coming and he will not waste whatever carrier force he has managed to assemble until he knows where I am going. (By my estimate he could have 1 or 2 CV's available with the rest still in Drydock and the Unryus are months away I will have a total of about 50 carriers between Pearl and kwaj in 5 days he is not going to try this it would be insane even for him. If anything I think he may react to Minotaur if he guesses (correctly) that I have only left Hornet,Wasp and Formidable plus a few CVE's to keep up this offensive he may try to pick them off if I stick my neck out to far. That is a credible threat given my lack of bases in the area and the risks I will be taking but so be it !!! Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 11:38:35 AM)
OK I dont have the combat replay but basically Frances are causign me issues. Little strikes by small groups of bombers hitting convoys on the east coast of NG I swill LRCAP next turn I am not reacting yet. Sending rest of 503rd against Pomala to try and take another lvl 1 base

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 11:40:49 AM)
He got 3 or 4 hits nothing critical apologies to those awaiting the screenshots I promised yesterday I will do it tonight. Andy

Sneer -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 11:44:18 AM)
i'm really interested where is point of pain as far as allied logistics is concerned how many AKs can allied loose before their transport capacity start slowing down offensives

frank1970 -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 1:48:12 PM)
When you have so much supplies raids won�t really matter at all. Maybe I am just a little paranoid with Pzb�s abilities. Sorry for being a pain asking you for being a little less aggressive but a little more secure play. I am quite sure you are a competent player and do everything right.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 2:51:23 PM)
Hmmm Sneer I think that point was achieved in 43 I had a 3 month hiatus where I didnt transport a single soldier but had to dedicate everything I had to cargo hauling to keep my AF flying. The reason for the huge surplus now is a. due to Nomad's stockpiling that is still standing me in good stead in place like New Cal and Tarawa. b. I stopped shipping forward Seabees and have about 50 of them piled up at San Fran c. Everything that could float and haul supplies has been doing so but it has not been without compromises. i.e. fuel in SWPAC is pretty low now I have been prioritising CENTPAC I can afford to build a surplus in only one theatre. I was a little flippant earlier with Frank's comments when I said 50 AK's didnt matter. I was wrong every AK is vital at this stage what I should have said is that the lack of 50 AK's would not cripple Thunderchild it would however delay by up to 60 - 90 days minimum the next major Corps level SWPAC offensive that I am currently considering. I wont lay it out yet as it is a germ of an idea and I want to see how Tinian goes before I even begin to stockpile for it. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 2:53:19 PM)
Frank caution is good but I need to attack and attack quickly and keep up the pressure every day I goive PZB to fort up is that much harder.......also if I don't subdue Japan before late 45 Churchill has informed me the Soviets may make a grab for the Far East you see he really disnae trust em !!!!!

Sneer -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/29/2006 4:07:01 PM)
i asked because i sunk allied 250 AKs and 50 TK/AOs till that moment - looks like it would be far better to me to concentrate on� allied merchant fleet than warships - as there is more than enough warships as reinforcements to Raverdave

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 12:36:34 AM)
442 AK's 48 AP's 3 AO's 36 TK's If I were you sneer hit his tankers I am struggling as it is to dump enough fuel forward !!!!

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 12:39:38 AM)
IJA Counterattack on my newly aquired AF's !!!! He is getting irritating with these strikes on the side AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/07/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 207 N1K1-J George x 48 D4Y Judy x 27 B6N Jill x 48 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 36 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 23 casualties reported Airbase hits 18 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 200 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 213 N1K1-J George x 19 D4Y Judy x 76 B6N Jill x 115 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 33 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 34 casualties reported Airbase hits 15 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 246 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Tomini , at 34,65 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 33 Ki-21 Sally x 117 Ki-49 Helen x 23 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 9 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 10 Runway hits 48 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ponape , at 71,79 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 12 P-40N Warhawk x 15 B-25J Mitchell x 41 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 42 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ponape , at 71,79 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 6 B-25J Mitchell x 2 PB4Y Liberator x 22 B-24J Liberator x 73 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 153 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 9 Spitfire VIII x 3 A-20G Havoc x 12 No Allied losses Runway hits 9 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Emirau Island , at 60,84 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 9 SB2C Helldiver x 54 P-38J Lightning x 5 B-25J Mitchell x 55 No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 27 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 19th Naval Guard Unit, at 60,84 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 33 Kittyhawk III x 24 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 25 P-40N Warhawk x 43 P-38J Lightning x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 67 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 85th Naval Guard Unit, at 58,84 Allied aircraft SB2C Helldiver x 16 Kittyhawk III x 14 Beaufort V-IX x 7 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 9 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 35 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 18 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 503rd USA Para Regiment, at 34,65 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 27 Ki-30 Ann x 8 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 9 Japanese aircraft losses D4Y Judy: 5 destroyed Ki-30 Ann: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 46,74 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Allied Ships SC SC-640 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 2nd Naval Construction Battalion, at 34,65 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 7 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 31 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 9 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 8 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 38,68 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 6 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied Ships DD Capps DE Manlove Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 38,68 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 6 P1Y Frances x 9 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged P1Y Frances: 8 damaged Allied Ships DE Cloues DD Burns, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DE Reynolds Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 6 Allied aircraft P-40N Warhawk x 16 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 4 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 6 damaged Allied Ships AK William C. Claiborne AK Allen C. Balch Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,76 Japanese aircraft P1Y Frances x 15 Japanese aircraft losses P1Y Frances: 4 damaged Allied Ships AK Empire Ridley, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AK James Gordon Bennett, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AK Henry Dearborn, Torpedo hits 1 Allied ground losses: 145 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Admiralty Islands Allied Shock attack Attacking force 3722 troops, 20 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 135 Defending force 620 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21 Allied max assault: 188 - adjusted assault: 89 Japanese max defense: 11 - adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 89 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 105 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 66 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Noemfoor Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 826 Defending force 31514 troops, 212 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 583 Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tomini Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 748 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 44 Defending force 1992 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 109 Japanese max assault: 34 - adjusted assault: 0 Allied max defense: 84 - adjusted defense: 91 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 375 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tomini Allied Shock attack Attacking force 802 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 109 Defending force 966 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4 Allied max assault: 42 - adjusted assault: 11 Japanese max defense: 1 - adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Tomini

Sneer -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 12:42:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac 442 AK's 48 AP's 3 AO's 36 TK's If I were you sneer hit his tankers I am struggling as it is to dump enough fuel forward !!!! oops a lot still need to be done but TK are my priority now thanks

Speedysteve -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 12:52:49 AM)
Yup from tracking my ship entries as Allies i'm getting roughly 2 x AK a day from 43 onwards at least........

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 12:59:21 AM)
Possible targets my recon has identified [image]local://upfiles/11987/E07CF4EEB4784598AF5CF0B73DCC1986.jpg[/image]

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 1:00:03 AM)
Supply status [image]local://upfiles/11987/A2F514DAFC4E4B49AE9DE30AD8676D0F.jpg[/image]

Mike Solli -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 1:02:16 AM)
Damn!

ny59giants -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 1:40:46 AM)
Your AAR gives all other Allied players hope to be able to play with ALL those toys at some time in the future. [:D][&o][:D] Just wish you had some sort of forces in India to be of use. When it comes to non-deployable British forces, how do they show up on the re-inforcement schedule??

frank1970 -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 9:51:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Frank caution is good but I need to attack and attack quickly and keep up the pressure every day I goive PZB to fort up is that much harder.......also if I don't subdue Japan before late 45 Churchill has informed me the Soviets may make a grab for the Far East you see he really disnae trust em !!!!! Oh, the Soviets! SO, go go go! I�d think it would be helpfull for you plans to start a "little" bombing offensive on all those nice airfields around, like Morotai or Mendanao to get the planes on the ground? Do you know where those Francis bombers come from? They have a range of 7 or 8 to attack with torpedoes, haven�t they? Do you think it would be possible to close the airfiled they are deployed and destroy them on the ground? Alternatively you can build up your airbases in NG and get fighter cover over an area 2 to 3 hexes along the NG Northern coast. Do you have plans to bring more seabees to NG to get the airfields built up faster.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 12:29:30 PM)
The only issue is transport capacity. The build up for Thunderchild has priority at moment so although I have large numbers of CB's back at West Coast and Pearl I cannot afford the shipping to bring them forward. I need to have all my strike Corps in place and ready to fight in time for activation of the operation. I may have ran before I could walk a little with Minotaur I should perhaps with hindsight have waited a couple more weeks to forward dump supplies and bring up in theatre engineering reserves. I am acting uncharacteristically reckless at the moment and I need to slow down and be a little more methodical. The good news is by siezing Admiralties, and the 2 bases north of wasile I have made a good start on building a really solid base for future operations. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 6:40:45 PM)
I will post a screenie of my reinforcement q tonight to show my forces that are waiting. Re Bombing his bases I think I need to take stcok and go methodical again for a while. I would like to point out something for the Japanese players. Given a choice between securing PM, Lunga and Tarawa or knocking out India I would suggest SOPAC is more important and would point to this game as evidence. PZB knocked India out in this game but Wobbly managed to cling on to his forward bases and grab Tarawa. It was from these bases that ADavidB and Nomad drove forward. Now I am pretty much on a historical timetable I am not actually ahead of schedule. My Marianas invasion will only happen weeks in advance of the historical one If they had not secured those advanced bases I would be 6 months further back. i.e. the loss of India has not as yet affected the direct attack on Japan. Route 1 is still the best for the allies !!! I guess what I am saying is if the IJA can hold the CW Army either at Mandalay (difficult because of allied airpower) or Moulmien (possible) or even Tavoy (very doable) i.e. keep them out of range of the oilfieds then India IMO should be a secondary objective until you have captured AND SECURED the forward bases. Actually Sneers tactic is good for this take the bases up to Calcutta and around the Burmese border using minimum force. A limited objective like this probably allows you to try it after securing these forward bases. As Pauk is finding now in my game v him if he doesnt secure them early he never will [:D][:D].

String -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 8:17:09 PM)
Interesting, from our game I remember something like 64-66 units bearing down on Burma from India in mid '43. How is the IJA supposed to stop that? I had 6 divisions in Burma and I had to secure Malaya and western coast of thailand too as I was really paranoid of you landing behind my back.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 9:29:47 PM)
but that was a massive bluff I had used PBY's to taken a small fragment from every unit I could lay my hands on to get the unit count up only 2 actual Divs were in that force !!!! The main attack was a direct invasion of Malaya/Rangoon by 4 full army Corps !!!!

String -> RE: Operation Minotaur (6/30/2006 9:50:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac but that was a massive bluff I had used PBY's to taken a small fragment from every unit I could lay my hands on to get the unit count up only 2 actual Divs were in that force !!!! The main attack was a direct invasion of Malaya/Rangoon by 4 full army Corps !!!! Aha, so I was correct in keeping a large part of my forces in the rear. [:-]

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