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ORIGINAL: hawker

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The ME262 was inferior in almost every respect. All it had was very good speed. That made it a strong candidate for intercepting bombers. It was otherwise a monumental waste of German resources. Had they built more FW190s that would have aided the Germans substantially. Had they built more ME262s they'd have lost the war faster.

The duration was abysmal. 1/2 hour in the air from launch to landing. That made it excessively vulnerable. Poor acceleration and engines that had to be gently nursed into increased throttle. It was at a compelling disadvantage against most fighters because German pilots were not used to deflection shooting much less at the high closing rates offered by a 262. So to get at, say, a P-51 most 262 pilots had to enter the combat around 400 mph... at which speed the P-51 was as likely to eat the ME262s lunch as anything.

So,according to you,P-51 is better plane then ME-262!!!
That is serious BS.

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The Sen Taka (submarine, high speed), in high bursts of speed, could run faster submerged than on the surface for up to an hour.

Yamato, IMO the best looking Battleship.

"Hey, a packet of googly eyes! I'm so taking these." Hank Venture

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These are the enemies we are dealing with today.

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ORIGINAL: mdiehl

The beauty of taking on people like you an Hawker, Adnan, is that every time I say "and here's why" followed by an enumeration of relevant facts, you and he respond with the usual theme. The difference between us is made the clearer each time you open your electronic mouth.

Please keep it up. I'm sure Matrix people sometime listens to one of us and I'd bet dollars to a doughnut that one of us <> Hawker Meshuggi .

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Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

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ORIGINAL: mdiehl

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Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

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I think your post and my response here could substitute pretty much for every post you've made and every rebuttal that I have made to your assertions.

You say that "only the Russians and Chinese can put a man in space in the 21st Century."

In response, I will simply note here that the last time the US put a man in space was in 2005 (STS 114), which was (last time I checked), well into the 21st Century, regardless of your position on the classic "00 vs 01 New Millennium" debate.

See http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/shuttleoperations/archives/2005.html

And I think all the other assertions you've made in your post are, with my reply here, more than sufficiently rebutted as well.

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ORIGINAL: mdiehl

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Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

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I think your post and my response here could substitute pretty much for every post you've made and every rebuttal that I have made to your assertions.

You say that "only the Russians and Chinese can put a man in space in the 21st Century."

In response, I will simply note here that the last time the US put a man in space was in 2005 (STS 114), which was (last time I checked), well into the 21st Century, regardless of your position on the classic "00 vs 01 New Millennium" debate.

See http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/shuttleoperations/archives/2005.html

And I think all the other assertions you've made in your post are, with my reply here, more than sufficiently rebutted as well.

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ORIGINAL: pauk



Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

The problem with you is that you wont admit when you are wrong (or it is better to say - when you see that your propaganda wont convince anybody - not even 2-year child) and you choose to don't answer hoping that people would forget...

So tell me you all knowing mdhiel... please, i can not sleep without your enlightening answer..... please, please....

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You got the point?

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During their 14-day flight, the astronauts tested new equipment and procedures developed to improve safety. The crew also resupplied and made repairs to the International Space Station. The mission included an unprecedented back flip maneuver as the shuttle approached the station and the first repair of the orbiter's heat shield while in space.

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ORIGINAL: mdiehl
Bite me, Troll!

Art by the amazing Dixie

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I am NO FAN OF DICTATORS, but as I see Saddam was lately whta was Kadar to Hungary. A ruthles ruler who CARES about the well being of his people, or at least does so (unlke Castro and Kim Jong Il).

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ORIGINAL: Przemcio231


As for those japs subs im stunned those subs got preformance of Foxtrots still used in the 80's by the USSR and the idea with retracted 25mm cannons was a good one... As for Walther subs they were ahead of their time... lucky for us Germans didn't have a whole fleet of those...

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And beside the lala-wishful-thinking of certain (blocked) posters, the allies were far behind the germans in jet techniques... and even if they are able to bring an equal fighter, the problem is still that the bombers are only prey.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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And beside the lala-wishful-thinking of certain (blocked) posters, the allies were far behind the germans in jet techniques... and even if they are able to bring an equal fighter, the problem is still that the bombers are only prey.

Not really. The first operational jet fighter plane in the world was British, not German. The German superiority lie in things like swept wings - not something that yet mattered very much. The range of the jets was not yet great enough to replace piston engines for many missions. One might argue that there was a greater German advantage EARLIER, and that the Germans failed to exploit it (because the war was "almost won already.") But the real reason the Germans failed with jets, rockets and other fine technologies, where they led or were just competative, is that they squandered resources on far too many projects. Germany and Japan BOTH produced more kinds of planes (and weapons in several categories) than than the Allies did - in the sense of accepted for mass production. In field after field we see the same pattern - Japan had at least five - and probably seven - atomic research programs - with different objectives (atom bomb, atomic engine, radiological bomb) and different masters (army, navy) instead of a single focused Manhattan Project with a single objective and the unified support of the services. [The USN was FIRST in US atomic research - uranium research began in 1938 at NRL - and USN developed separation technology was used in the project - even though the USN did it for atomic engines - like IJN wanted - instead of atom bombs). The real German failing was a lack of focus. [So much for vaunted German planning]

sorry - no.
The brits had the Meteor and it was not the first operational jet.
The advantage of the germans in jet technology was large, so large that everybody tried to catch and copy it. Sure, the brits brought the Nene-Engine, but it had german technology in it.
For the statement about the german failing - i agree. The lack of focus was next to other important things (Hitler in comand, two-front-war, no war industry from the begining) the main failure (gladly)

About the piston engine fighter ves. the jet plane.
The first was worthless in PROTECTING the bombers.
And if the jet does not dogfight your piston engine plane, it can do nothing... only if the jets turbines get trouble or damages slow down the jet. And sure, the "bomb the bases and shoot em down at start/landings".
But if we look in the real war and we shift the date for jet fighters to December 43... this was possible... the germans have some important advantages
a.) the piston engine fighters can deal with the allied fighters, here they are better suited for (not superior, but less losses cause the allied fighter are in trouble to protect the bombers)
b.) the germans have much more fuel, logistics and well trained pilots (germany lost 2300 Pilots in January/february 44), so the average quality of german pilots is higher - means higher allied losses - means less german losses...
c.) without the big week, german logistic looks much better. Without the allied daylight bombings the german industry will produce more as they did in 44... and they now have products that will be equal or superior to the allied equipment. With this happen in the west, the urgent need for more planes in the east will be satisfied, and this means that the russian operations get hurt much more by german airforce and that the russians do not reach air superiority...

So we can say, that the german mistake here have serious follow-ups... You can ask yourself, what happen to the invasion if you can´t rule the skies and can not kill any transport car at daylight at your own wish. D-Day would be delayed.

I bet the allies would improve their own developments for jet fighters.. but honestly, the me262 was only a bad german design... they had much better engines, better designs for the planes and so on. With a delay in the war (and not knowing what happen in Alamo (we know this had ended the war... but think about this what-if)) what would the allies do ? Risk the invasion (with a high(er) chance for failure, maybe 400.000 captured soldiers?)

For the japanese... the americans were not really better... just think about the rivality between army and navy... sure, the difference is, the japanese could not allow such stupidity...

But i do not want to say "i know the truth"... it is just my opinion, if we create a what-if with 6-9 months speed up for german jet technics (oh - and the losses through maintanence and failures would be high - but with 2000 more pilots...you can risk it)

or to say it short : piston engine bombers with piston engine air cover against jet fighters is a bad day for the bombers. not for the fighters...

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Well whom could have Castro invaded? The US? Barbados? Get back to the ground!

Saddam was so sure of his rule that he even allowed his people tp have guns in their homes, something you dont see to often in dictatorships or even in democracies. Dont believe everything you see in TV!

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The style of your answer does not need any comment, nor does the obvious mixing of my arguements on two different issues.

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People start to react so out-of balance when they are (or feel themselves) personally attacked. If you are a poltical refugee from Iraq then I apologize, because I know what is it like to live in a dictatorship, something (Thank God) most people on these forums cant tell. But if not, then you have just earned your place right beside mdiehl.

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One more thing: the style defines the person. Since we only can judge you based on your posts, you have just excluded the words which might be used in conjunctuion with you such as : gentleman, courtesy, broad sighted and maturity. No to foget tolerant and able to discuss things in a normal way.

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But if you are so outrageous about Saddam just answer me a simple question. After he has showed what kind if evil person he really is, by invading Kuwait -although he gased the kurds way before 1991 so I suppose his personality was no surprise for a major power' intelligence service- why was nt he removed immediately after Desert Storm?