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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:02:51 PM   
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You've also got to remember that according to the German survivors the "Sydney's" crew were lining the decks basically sky-larking and taking in the view, at a range of 1000 yards or less the Kormorans 37mm and 20mm secondaries would have cut them down in droves. The forward guns were quickly knocked by a torpedo hit and the bridge wipped out by 6" gun fire. It was not unusuall for ships to sink with no survivors located, how many merchant ships and escorts went down in the Battle of the Atlantic with no one surviving, especially if no-one was immediatelly at hand to rescue them. The Kormoran was in a diiferent situation. They had actually only taken a few hits, however the fires reached the mine deck which was still full and they were unable to ditch them. They abandoned ship in a more controlled manner (life raft and boats launched) with relatively plenty of time to spare before the mines blew. If she had had time to ditch the mines its possible she may have survived.



They couldn't ditch mines since they had no power! Mines can not be ditched if ship drifts out of control...

it hink they can be if they are not armed

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:16:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without ANY power?? A mine weigts half a ton at least!

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't realize she was without power but that would help explain why the fire became uncontrolable. No power for pumps, etc.

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:22:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course the crew claims they scuttled her...

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:23:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only 3 hits and she sunk! Thats kind a sad! And bad luck

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:25:11 PM   
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Of course the crew claims they scuttled her...



I doubt there was any need for scuttling... after all her mine storage went off. There were no flooding, and if there were no mines aboard they'll probably would try to save her.

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 4:53:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sydney's hits started a fire in the machinery spaces which could not be contained, so abandon ship was ordered. Explosive charges were lit to scuttle the ship, the mine stowage explosion simply sped up the process. Like Bismarck - scuttled, not sunk!

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 5:56:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose it would have sunk anyway if it wasnt scuttled. Remindes me of the Britsh Admiral after the Italian raid on Alexandria Harbour that sank the Valiant and Queen Elizabeth. He stated they weren't sunk because there decks were above water. Just because they were sitting on the bottom makes no matter. Probably lucky the harbour wasn't 100' deep.

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 6:26:42 PM   
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I suppose it would have sunk anyway if it wasnt scuttled. Remindes me of the Britsh Admiral after the Italian raid on Alexandria Harbour that sank the Valiant and Queen Elizabeth. He stated they weren't sunk because there decks were above water. Just because they were sitting on the bottom makes no matter. Probably lucky the harbour wasn't 100' deep.


It's that level of pig headed stubborness which makes you proud to be British. It brings a tear to my eye.

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 6:35:15 PM   
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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/13/2006 9:31:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		In WitP terms, Queen Elizabeth and Valiant werent sunk. Same as California, West Virginia and perhaps one more US BB. They were raised and repaired.

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/14/2006 3:24:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		They were sunk, It was just that they sank in water shallow enough to be raised. If you carry yoour arguement through to its logical conclusion, you could say that the German Fleet at scapa flow wasn't really sunk because most were eventually raised. The same would go for all the IJN and German ships sunk in harbour at the wars end, they were eventually raised and scrapped.

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RE: OT: HMAS Sydney - 4/14/2006 4:20:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes but in more than one case the German ships were raised floating upside down which makes them harder to defend as not having been sunk.



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