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RE: How Many of you have dropped "The Bomb?" - 5/12/2006 11:38:26 PM

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Hi, I don't think they wanted it to be a viable Allied strategy to do nothing except secure 1 base in range of Home Islands and then A-bomb Japan to destruction. The bomb can help end the war but it was not intended to be a "Silver Bullet"

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RE: How Many of you have dropped "The Bomb?" - 5/13/2006 8:42:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I don't think they wanted it to be a viable Allied strategy to do nothing except secure 1 base in range of Home Islands and then A-bomb Japan to destruction. The bomb can help end the war but it was not intended to be a "Silver Bullet"

Oh sure!

I just knew you were gonna come up with a logical sounding reason!

*walks away muttering*

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Bobming test 1.80 - 5/15/2006 2:12:06 PM

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Hi, 4/11/45 Allied score exceeds Japanese for first time
Japanese 31524
Allied 31806
Japanese Strategic Loss (JSL)(bombing Home Islands) 1968

Bombers currently resting. Next target Osaka (firebombing planned)

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/15/2006 3:06:26 PM

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Hi
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/12/45

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Day Air attack on Osaka/Kobe , at 63,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 333

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 destroyed, 50 damaged

Manpower hits 158

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
26 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Osaka/Kobe , at 63,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 252

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged

Manpower hits 161

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
35 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Osaka/Kobe , at 63,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 124

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 32 damaged

Manpower hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

34700 fires started in Osaka

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/15/2006 6:49:26 PM

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Mog I have a question for you. I am not that familiar with the production system, but I was under the impression that Manpower was for producing troops.

Is manpower required for industry as well - or just troop production?

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/15/2006 9:08:35 PM

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Stumbled on this:

http://www.cia.gov/csi/monograph/4253605299/csi9810001.html

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/15/2006 11:04:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Mog I have a question for you. I am not that familiar with the production system, but I was under the impression that Manpower was for producing troops.

Is manpower required for industry as well - or just troop production?

B

Hi, It is used for building units. However it is also the target for firebombing and fires damage other industry in hex. If you are forced into night bombing you will almost have to firebomb in order to hit anything at all. But in daylight firebombing is also more effective. I intend on firebombing cities at start and then going back over and targeting anything remaining over a certain level. (I'm painting with a broad brush now. I'll go back over and get the detail later)

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/15/2006 11:42:47 PM

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Ok, so why not just fire bomb the industry? Is it more effective to start firestorms by bombing Manpower?
That's where my confusion lies...

B

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Mog I have a question for you. I am not that familiar with the production system, but I was under the impression that Manpower was for producing troops.

Is manpower required for industry as well - or just troop production?

B

Hi, It is used for building units. However it is also the target for firebombing and fires damage other industry in hex. If you are forced into night bombing you will almost have to firebomb in order to hit anything at all. But in daylight firebombing is also more effective. I intend on firebombing cities at start and then going back over and targeting anything remaining over a certain level. (I'm painting with a broad brush now. I'll go back over and get the detail later)

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/16/2006 5:15:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ok, so why not just fire bomb the industry? Is it more effective to start firestorms by bombing Manpower?
That's where my confusion lies...

Targeting Manpower is supposed to be the only way to start firestorms.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/16/2006 3:03:35 PM

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Hi JSL 3596
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/18/45

Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 332

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 167

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 327

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 13 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 221

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/16/2006 5:12:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dtravel

quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ok, so why not just fire bomb the industry? Is it more effective to start firestorms by bombing Manpower?
That's where my confusion lies...

Targeting Manpower is supposed to be the only way to start firestorms.

Ahhhh...... I see. You just - target Manpower and you don't need anythingelse...not even a book of matches.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/16/2006 5:40:37 PM

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Hi, JSL 5238
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/45

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Day Air attack on Nagoya , at 64,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 281

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 182

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nagoya , at 64,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 303

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 174

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nagoya , at 64,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 143

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 6 damaged

Resources hits 77

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/16/2006 7:25:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

quote:

ORIGINAL: dtravel

quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ok, so why not just fire bomb the industry? Is it more effective to start firestorms by bombing Manpower?
That's where my confusion lies...

Targeting Manpower is supposed to be the only way to start firestorms.

Ahhhh...... I see. You just - target Manpower and you don't need anythingelse...not even a book of matches.

Ha ha.

Think of it this way. The way you as the player order the bombers to carry incendiary bombs is by "targeting" Manpower. Any other City Attack target tells them to use HE.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/16/2006 10:34:18 PM

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Mog, these results look pretty impressive (to me anyway).

Does each hit represent damaged or destroyed industry, or resources, etc?
I have not played that far to find out yet for myself - My PBEMs go about one for one with real time.

B

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, JSL 5238
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/45

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Nagoya , at 64,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 281

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 182

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nagoya , at 64,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 303

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 174

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nagoya , at 64,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 143

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 6 damaged

Resources hits 77

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 12:10:11 AM

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Hi, Each target is rated for how hard it is to damage/destroy. Each hit does damage according to size of bomb.
I show 646 Heavy Industry damaged in Nagoya (356 hits) and 172 resource damaged (77 hits) but that might be FOW.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 1:30:55 AM

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Hi
1 may 1945
Japanese score 33155
Allied score 37266 JSL 5754

Allies need to score near 29044 points in May/June/July (9681 per month) to achive surrender by mid Aug 1945.
I still have not seen much of a drop in points Japan scores for bases. Other then Borno/Java/sumatra/Malaya Japanese bases should begin running out of supply soon.

The Allies are preparing to capture Formosa to sever the conection between Japan and SRA once and for all. Chinese units are attempting to capture Canton and secure a port where they can be supplied by western Alliance. The British are moving towards Rangoon.

Target for bombing month of May TOKYO. The city is to be reduced totally this month.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 1:46:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi
1 may 1945
Japanese score 33155
Allied score 37266 JSL 5754

Allies need to score near 29044 points in May/June/July (9681 per month) to achive surrender by mid Aug 1945.
I still have not seen much of a drop in points Japan scores for bases. Other then Borno/Java/sumatra/Malaya Japanese bases should begin running out of supply soon.

The Allies are preparing to capture Formosa to sever the conection between Japan and SRA once and for all. Chinese units are attempting to capture Canton and secure a port where they can be supplied by western Alliance. The British are moving towards Rangoon.

Target for bombing month of May TOKYO. The city is to be reduced totally this month.

Couple of questions -
Tokyo has, as I recall, 1340 Hvy Ind. If you damage 1200 of it in May - how long will it take to repair that? 1 point per day at a cost of 1000 supply per point?

Also - just who is this game against? AI?

B

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 11:14:30 AM

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Hi, Yes at 1 repair a day Tokyo will never repair. Also I hope Japan does not have the supply to repair even if it had the time.

Operation "Stomp Tokyo" is being conducted by the B-29 groups on Tinian and Saipan while Operation "Eclipse" is being conducted by groups on Guam. "eclipse" seeks out the largest remaining resource centers for targets. This will reduce the amount of direct supply Japan produces. (hopefully the lack of oil prevents the conversion of resource to supply by Heavy industry)

I'm playing the AI because no human wants to be Japan and it's faster.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 11:35:10 AM

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Hi, 300 out of 900 resource at Toyama damaged. 25750 fires started Tokyo. USMC begins landing Taipi Formosa.
Bombing manpower damages the manpower and hopefully the fires damage other facilities in hex.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/09/45

Day Air attack on Toyama , at 65,41

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 234

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Resources hits 76

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
24 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 325

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged

Manpower hits 371

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
25 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 11:51:41 AM

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Hi, the fires did another 36 points in damage. USMC captures Taipei Formosa. Allied score exceeds 40k for first time.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 12:27:52 PM

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Hi,
JSL 8152
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/11/45

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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 130

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Repair Shipyard hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 207

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged

Resources hits 130

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
24 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
30 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
28 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

Here is view of what remais in Tokyo

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 12:31:59 PM

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Hi, A view of the "Main Battle Area" A TF with 100k supply has arrived at Canton China

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 12:34:10 PM

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Hi, The CBI with Allies advancing towards Rangoon and Japanese cut off in central Burma.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 1:16:06 PM

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Hi JSL 8638 Resource at Toyama down to 450 out of 900

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/13/45

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Day Air attack on Toyama , at 65,41

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 209

No Allied losses

Resources hits 109

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
32 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 108

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 20 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 73

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
16 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 1:55:01 PM

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Hi, Japanese CV comes out to play. Discovers that was a mistake.
JSL 8982
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/15/45
Day Air attack on Toyama , at 65,41

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 96

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Resources hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
32 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 42

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 7 damaged

Resources hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 94

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 15000 feet

Day Air attack on TF at 50,42

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 1

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 31
F4U-1 Corsair x 10
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
SB2C Helldiver x 15
TBM Avenger x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 13 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 9 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 22 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Kasagi, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Day Air attack on TF at 50,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 1

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 83
F4U-1D Corsair x 82
SB2C Helldiver x 96
TBF Avenger x 15
TBM Avenger x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Kasagi, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Toyama has 407 resource undamaged.

To track the impact of supply to Chinese Canton assault value currently 5378. Units preparing to attack Hong Kong.

< Message edited by Mogami -- 5/17/2006 2:31:01 PM >

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 8:26:00 PM

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Hi JSL goes over 10k 10010. 400 resource damaged.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/21/45

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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 319

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 23 damaged

Manpower hits 468

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Day Air attack on Aomori , at 69,39

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 291

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 7 damaged

Resources hits 107

380 B-29 lost to date
52 A2A
152 flak
176 Ops

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 8:31:32 PM

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Question - I have been following your bombing campaign with interest,
and I'm curious that you mentioned Fog Of War.

If it's really a test campaign against AI - why didn't you turn FOW off?

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Yes at 1 repair a day Tokyo will never repair. Also I hope Japan does not have the supply to repair even if it had the time.

Operation "Stomp Tokyo" is being conducted by the B-29 groups on Tinian and Saipan while Operation "Eclipse" is being conducted by groups on Guam. "eclipse" seeks out the largest remaining resource centers for targets. This will reduce the amount of direct supply Japan produces. (hopefully the lack of oil prevents the conversion of resource to supply by Heavy industry)

I'm playing the AI because no human wants to be Japan and it's faster.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/17/2006 9:09:00 PM

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Hi, Because I don't want to know exactly. I want my recon to be my source of intell.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/24/2006 8:40:52 PM

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Hi, Update

1 June 1945
Japanese score 35316
Allied Score 47237

Japanese Strategic Loss (JSL)(bombing) 12028

With 75 days approx before historic Japanese surrender date Allies need to score 23395 points.

I think it is fairly certain Allies will exceed 2-1 ratio before March 1946 but I'd like to do it before the historic time.

Around 4000 resource remain undamaged in Home Island. I'm going to concentrate on these in June.

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RE: Bobming test 1.80 - 5/24/2006 9:32:25 PM

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Hi, JSL 13070 (damaged)/undamaged

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/45

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Day Air attack on Takamatsu , at 62,42 (235)/66

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 264

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Resources hits 75

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Day Air attack on Toyama , at 65,41 (711)/190

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 329

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Resources hits 84

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Day Air attack on Aomori , at 69,39 (582)/319

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 214

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 10 damaged

Resources hits 59

Chinese forces enter Hong Kong hex. (4-1 shock attack)

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