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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/10/2008 4:11:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andrew B.W. Illius joined the Squadron on 8/22/43, KIA 8/24/43

they flew two missions




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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/10/2008 4:48:30 PM   
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Also looks like

George Denwood DFC

SL George F. Grant DFC, DSO

FO William T. Timperley DFC

were also part of the Squadron, but did not fly on the raid



George Denwood was certainly with the Sqn late Jul43, no info on the other two with 156 Sqn.

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/10/2008 5:10:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got both of the other two flying missions before the 17th and after the 17th with 156, so i think they are there at the start

bit of a hassle with the way they moved pilots around

some during the middle of there tour, others after the tour and rest and some right out of school




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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/10/2008 5:23:44 PM   
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Also looks like

George Denwood DFC

SL George F. Grant DFC, DSO 23 missions, flown between 4/18/43-10/8/43

FO William T. Timperley DFC 18 missions, flown between 6/24/43-10/20/43

were also part of the Squadron, but did not fly on the raid



George Denwood was certainly with the Sqn late Jul43, no info on the other two with 156 Sqn.



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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/10/2008 5:33:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pilots with 156 Sqn should all be experienced as it was part of 8 Grp. I would of thought any pilots mentioned as coming from schools to this Sqn would be coming off a spell instructing or off a refresher course.

As for the RAF in general, some pilots moved Sqns regularly, not like the USAAF where a whole tour was normally with the same unit. Might have something to do with the frequency the RAF moved Sqns from sector to sector and wanting pilots in the first half of their tours to stay in front line sectors.

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/10/2008 5:46:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I seeing a number of Sgt and crew right from School, I thought the Pathfinders was a 2nd tour job

I am getting the background of a few of these guys, duty stations and such, and some of them are right from school, and as you say, others after the first tour go on to be teachers and then come back to active duty


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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/11/2008 2:50:31 PM   
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I seeing a number of Sgt and crew right from School, I thought the Pathfinders was a 2nd tour job

I am getting the background of a few of these guys, duty stations and such, and some of them are right from school, and as you say, others after the first tour go on to be teachers and then come back to active duty



In theory all pathfinders should have completed one tour though it practice it was quite common for crews well into their first tour to transfer to pathfinders.

I presume your getting the 156 Sqn data from http://www.156squadron.com/ and the info is taken straight from the ORB so it must be accurate (as written). The 156 Sqn data I posted above (in the personnel lists) was taken from the 156 Sqn ORB for 17Aug43 only. I haven't got round to checking the site for the raids a few days either side to complete the Sqn roster.

It's a pity there isn't a web site like 156 Sqn's for all units, it would make filling out the Sqns/units a lot easier.

Having not had a proper look at the site yet what are the schools mentioned that the replacement pilots come from?

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/11/2008 3:35:36 PM   
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yea it is a great site, a lot of work into it

the mission rosters are the best

you can pick one pilot and then trace his history, keep getting side tracked :)




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541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 3:39:57 PM   
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Rank; Name; Suggested exp (based on known bio data)

F/L Brew, James Robert (Flt Cdr); Exp 80
F/O Burniat, Paul G.; Exp 75
Sgt Campbell, J.R.; Exp 65
F/S Campbell, K.G.; Exp 70
F/L Crakenthorp, G.R. (Flt Cdr); Exp 90
S/L Fairhurst, E.A. "Tim" (C/O); Exp 90
F/O Gheude, Serge L.E.G.; Exp 75
F/O Glover, A.; Exp 80
Sgt Gorrill (Gorill?), V.I.; Exp 75
Sgt Gravenstede, D.; Exp 60
F/S Hill, D.G.; Exp 75
F/O Hunter, G.C.D.; Exp 75
Sgt Lavender, A.; Exp 70
F/S Mackie, R.E.; Exp 70
P/O Myles, John R.; Exp 80
F/O Platts, George; Exp 80


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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 6:37:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a couple of them :)

also

I get James Russell Campbell KIA with 541

I get a Geoffrey Colin Davas Hunter killed in 44 with 544 (a CC squadron ????)(it is HARD to follow, but 544 was also a recon unit, so it may of been a simi detached Recon for CC and others ????)

do you have a s number for him ? 126596 could of been tour expired and then went CC ???

Kewl found a pilot for 268 while looking around :)






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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 6:37:42 PM   
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LOL



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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 7:14:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		106 (PR) Wg (540 Sqn, 541 Sqn, 542 Sqn, 543 Sqn, 544 Sqn) was administered by Coastal Command (RAF Benson was a Coastal Command A/F, even though in the middle of the country). However 106 (PR) Wg carried out work for many external agencies and wasn't operationally sub-ordinate to CC. Most tour ex PR pilots went onto to serve with other CC units.

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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 7:17:49 PM   
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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 9:54:44 PM   
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Rank; Name; Suggested exp (based on known bio data)

F/L Anderson, M.C.B. "Andy" (Flt Cdr); Exp 90
F/S Bacon, E.G. "Eggy"; Exp 75
Sgt Baker, L.B.; Exp 60
F/L Bonnar, N.J.; Exp 85
F/S Dearden, J.; Exp 75
F/O Fray, Frank G. "Jerry"; Exp 85
S/L Furniss, Donald R.M. "Don" (C/O); Exp 90
F/O McMillan, L.; Exp 75
F/L Parker, W.B. (Flt Cdr); Exp 80
F/O Puttick, G.W.; Exp 75
F/O Scott, D.G.; Exp 80
F/O Searle, E.G.; Exp 80
F/O Shelmerdine, John H.; Exp 85
F/S Spencer, P.J.; Exp 75
P/O Turnbull, T.P.; Exp 75
F/O Whitaker, Leslie L.; Exp 80
F/S White; V.B.; Exp 75
F/O Wilson, D.F.; Exp 75


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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 10:32:59 PM   
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Norman J. Bonnar
Peter J. Spencer

got a Lawrence McMillan, but he is with 400 squadron late in the war ?

so don't know if it is the same man

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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 11:17:59 PM   
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got a Lawrence McMillan, but he is with 400 squadron late in the war ?

so don't know if it is the same man


I think it's the same guy, there is a good chance the guy with 542 Sqn was Canadian (J10231?). What rank is Lawrence McMillan with 400 Sqn and what dates. Was he awarded the US AM.


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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 11:34:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		F/O Lawrence McMillan 542 Sqn was definitely Canadian, he was awarded the DFC.

Also

F/O Scott, D.G. 542 Sqn is Donald Gairn Scott

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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/6/2008 11:44:04 PM   
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got a Lawrence McMillan, but he is with 400 squadron late in the war ?

so don't know if it is the same man


I think it's the same guy, there is a good chance the guy with 542 Sqn was Canadian (J10231?). What rank is Lawrence McMillan with 400 Sqn and what dates. Was he awarded the US AM.



I remember offhand that he got the US AM, so looks to be the same guy

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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/7/2008 5:07:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		543 Sqn (as of 17Aug43), only ‘A’ Flt operational at St. Eval, Cornwall. Sqn was disbanded 18Oct43 so probably not worth adding to OoB.

F/S Campbell, R.M.; Exp 65
F/O Dixon, J.H. "Johnny"; Exp 85
F/O Kenwright, B. Roy (B.K.?); Exp 75
F/L McCuaig, Duncan K. (Flt Cdr); Exp 85
F/O Reeves, H.; Exp 90
S/L Robinson, F. Anthony "Tony" (C/O); Exp 95
F/L Storey, J.E.; Exp 70
F/S Watson, Ron J.; Exp 80
F/S Webb, R.H.; Exp 70

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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/7/2008 6:31:11 PM   
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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/7/2008 7:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		544 Sqn (operational Oct43 (Mosquito PR.IX))

Definite

F/L Aston, Billy George "Bill" (Flt Cdr); Exp 80
F/L Blyth, R.L.C. "Dicky" (Flt Cdr); Exp 90
F/O Burfield, Norman Milton "Joe"; Exp 60
P/O Foster, Ronald Henry; Exp 60
S/L Merifield, John Roy Hugh (C/O); Exp 85
F/O Vickers, Harold Rupert "Vic"; Exp 60

Probable

F/L Johnson, R.P.; Exp 70
F/O Johnson, D.E.; Exp 85
F/O O'Connell, ???; Exp 65

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RE: 541 Sqn - 7/7/2008 7:27:57 PM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/11/2008 8:35:03 PM   
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I hope it is not too late to post some bomber pilot names (including the father of a colleage who is still alive) for inclusion

RAF 158 Sqn (as of 17 Aug 43, Peenemunde Raid)

Rank; Name; Sorry no experience info

F/S Fisher, F.G.A.
Sgt Winn, A.E.
F/S Frisby, H.B.
F/O Reynolds, J.N.
Sgt James, E.
Sgt Edwards, T.C.
P/O Cameron, D.C.
F/O Holmes, K.T.S.
Sgt Denton, J.A.V.
Sgt Atkins, J.R.M.
F/O Hornibrook, H.
F/S Nicholls, D.
F/S Clarke, J.Y.
Sgt Mattey, J.C.
W/C Calder, C.C.
Sgt Ward, K.
F/S Caldwell, W.D.
Sgt Mottershead, H.
F/S Allsop, B.N.
Sgt Knox, J.S.
F/S Penfold, C.F.
Sgt Emms, S.W.
Sgt Cotter, J.D.
F/S Burgum W.A.

Also
F/O Unwin
Sgt Payne, P.H.

I look forward to the game!

Barry

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/11/2008 9:39:09 PM   
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I almost forgot the most important entry for me, my colleage's father,

F/L Sandgren, H. (Harry) W. (DFC)

Thanks

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/11/2008 9:49:58 PM   
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Which one is your colleagues father. Do you have a full name.

First 24 took part in the raid, were the last 2 pilots who didn't take part in the 17-18Aug43 Peenemünde but were on sqn strength on this date?

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/11/2008 9:51:43 PM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/11/2008 10:44:15 PM   
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The info I have lists the first 24 as taking part in the the Peenemunde raid (A/C "A" to "Z") with F/O Unwin listed in the same plane as F/S Nicholls and Sgt Payne is listed in the same plane as Sgt Ward. I wasn't sure how to interpret this so I listed them separately to make pilot inclusion in the game simpler. F/L Sandgren is not listed in the operation program for the Peenemunde raid but I know he was in 158 squadron (where he won his DFC Oct 4, 1943) and it would be great to see him listed in the game.

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/12/2008 8:51:36 AM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/12/2008 1:41:11 PM   
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will add his W. (that I didn't have)

and will look over the rest of the list


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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 11/12/2008 2:17:15 PM   
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Hi,

I hope it is not too late to post some bomber pilot names (including the father of a colleage who is still alive) for inclusion

RAF 158 Sqn (as of 17 Aug 43, Peenemunde Raid)

Rank; Name; Sorry no experience info

F/S Fisher, F.G.A.
Sgt Winn, A.E.
F/S Frisby, H.B.
F/O Reynolds, J.N.
Sgt James, E. Ernest
Sgt Edwards, T.C. Thomas
P/O Cameron, D.C.
F/O Holmes, K.T.S.
Sgt Denton, J.A.V.
Sgt Atkins, J.R.M.
F/O Hornibrook, H. Harold
F/S Nicholls, D.
F/S Clarke, J.Y. I have John K. Clarke ?
Sgt Mattey, J.C.
W/C Calder, C.C.
Sgt Ward, K. Kenneth
F/S Caldwell, W.D. William
Sgt Mottershead, H.
F/S Allsop, B.N.
Sgt Knox, J.S.
F/S Penfold, C.F.
Sgt Emms, S.W.
Sgt Cotter, J.D. I have J.D. Colter ?
F/S Burgum W.A. William

Also
F/O Unwin didn't have
Sgt Payne, P.H. didn't have

Harry W. Sandgren

I look forward to the game!

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