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ORIGINAL: Knavey

Does the game model the fact that after the torpedo bombers poor showing at Midway, the USN air groups routinely carried bombs on their Avengers instead of torpedoes.  I am not sure if torpedoes became the exception to the rule, but according to Morrison carrying bombs was normal during the post Midway period.  He cites the AARs of the Cowpens and the Hornet during the Battle of the Philippine Sea (aka The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot) in June 1944.

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Has anyone run into problems like this with Torpedoes? Is this a synching issue or something else? I don't think I've ever had this happen B4...

Game/Mod Info:
CHS game - Base 2c
AB 6.2 with Extended
Mod 157
WITP 1.8.01

From AAR:
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 22,51

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 75

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 7 destroyed, 61 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Danae, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 9000 feet
5 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
So every bomb hit and every torpedo missed - this can't be right - can it? A bad lot of torpedoes? What's really weird is that these planes almost never launch torpedoes on a port attack - it seems like only an 1/8th of torpedo capable planes ever carry torpedoes on a port attack. I wonder why?
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 8
B4Y Jean x 6
B5N2 Kate x 50

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
B4Y Jean: 6 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 10 destroyed, 30 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Anakan, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Fortuna, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Sagoland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Princess of Negros, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
152 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x B4Y Jean launching torpedoes at 200 feet

This says I launched Torpedoes but the text says ships were bombed...

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
D3A2 Val x 82
B5N2 Kate x 123

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 9 destroyed, 51 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 21 destroyed, 81 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 5
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 7
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 7, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
21 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
22 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
10 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
10 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
16 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet

Again - not a single torpedo hit... And not a BB sunk. I feel robbed. This must be a glitch in this turn - right?


< Message edited by 1EyedJacks -- 7/26/2006 8:04:27 PM >

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RE: Weird Torpedo Results - 7/15/2006 11:12:52 AM


jwilkerson
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From: Shawnee, KS
Status: offline Yup, we have.

This is fixed in the next patch, part of a continuing saga.

The first problem was Betty's dropped Torps at 15,000 feet ..

The next problem was Betty's torpedoing airbases

But testing indicates these are fixed in the next patch.



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(in reply to 1EyedJacks

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ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

This is something I experienced also. Below you see that jwilkerson, a moderator, says this is a known bug... Bummer.

This game does not have a learning curve. It has a learning cliff.

"Bomb early, bomb often, bomb everything." - Niceguy

Any bugs I report are always straight stock games.

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ORIGINAL: Jakerson

It is standard procedure use armor piercing bombs in torpedo bombers when doing very long range attack.

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Also Dive bombers should have smaller bomb load at extended range attacks than normal range but im not sure if this is simulated in the game.

This game does not have a learning curve. It has a learning cliff.

"Bomb early, bomb often, bomb everything." - Niceguy

Any bugs I report are always straight stock games.