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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 10/10/2006 10:12:05 PM   
denisonh


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You could just fix how CAP works as a whole, which would apply equaling in all periods of the war. UBER CAP is a major issue for FBs of all types.


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ORIGINAL: pauk


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ORIGINAL: Halsey

The chance for them to get through the CAP should be more like 2-3%.



You won't get out of here with this. Now you are (officialy) JFB and should think about all tweakings done for the Allies in early period of the war. Now it is a time for us, Halsey san

I didn't say that ALL Kamis should get through CAP, but would be logical that 20 or 30 % chance and 20 kamies from 200 kamies assigned to mission going through CAP isn't too much



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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 10/10/2006 10:28:34 PM   
pauk


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Status: offline 		agree 100 %. Unfortunatly it is not likely that uber CAP will be fixed (and it is not likely that my proposition about kamis will be accepted too).

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 10/10/2006 11:32:24 PM   
Ron Saueracker


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Status: offline 		I think they will fix the CAP as it must be the easiest of the big issues to tweak. Land and surface combat are another issue.

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 10/10/2006 11:36:43 PM   
pauk


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Status: offline 		yes, it would be nice to fix it... but Ron you nailed it...

"Ok guys, you see it wasnt hard to fix CAP issue and that is all very nice and that kind of stuff but what do you are waiting for? I request - you must fix this redicilous ground combat and surface combat!!!!!!



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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/8/2007 4:33:32 PM   
viberpol


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ORIGINAL: pauk

Kamikazes have chance to get through Allied CAP. We can disscus how much is likely for some Kamis to get through CAP, 20-30 percent?



Digging on this forum for kamikaze's cases I have three simple questions.

Will kamikazes get through CAP any better, or they're treated just as standard planes and sitting ducks to CAP consisting of Hellcats?

How much damage can be done? Id est --> higher standard load od a plane equals greater damage? (which are better as kamis: fighters or bombers?)

If I set a daitai kamikaze and all pilots sacrifice themselves. Will it respawn, or just be still daitais of 0 planes, 0 pilots to be filled with new airframes and green pilots?

thx in advance for your comments


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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/8/2007 6:41:34 PM   
pauk


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hm, i will try to answer to first question

1. no they won't. As far as i know they are threated just as standard planes. There is workaround here of course (some one will say exploit or even gamey) - set Zeke kamis on max altitude and they will avoid Hellcat CAP (they have max ceiling lower than Zekes)


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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/8/2007 7:58:36 PM   
mlees


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Status: offline 		I am a bit lazy at the moment, but I seem to recall that Kami's seem to have attacked destroyers (especially the radar pickets) and landing ships to a larger degree than may be seen in the combat reports posted in this thread...

In the game, is there a difference in "target prioritising" when an aircraft is assigned to the Kami role, or do they use the same (standard) priority scheme?

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/8/2007 9:24:17 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 5:15:44 AM   
1275psi

 

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Status: offline 		I am into 4/44, and have seen my oscar kamis hit airfields about 30% of the times they have attacked.
Drives me crazy!
Also kamis attacking PT boats drives me crazy!


Lots of things on WITP drive me crazy -but i play on!

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 7:53:56 AM   
John 3rd


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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 8:23:26 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		To clarify:  I am August 1944 and haven't used a single Kamikaze.  When/How does the option become available?  I have 5-700 planes waiting for him with XP all in the 70s/80s...hope to make a BIG impression! 

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 9:55:54 AM   
FeurerKrieg


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Status: offline 		It has something to do with bases within a certain range of some key Japanese areas. I forget the detail, its in the manual somewhere.

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 12:34:13 PM   
viberpol


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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
When does one get to convert their planes to Kamikaze? I am in late-1944 with Wolfpack...


The manual says: "Kamikazes are activated if the Allies own a base within 15 hexes (traced by sea only) of either Tokyo, Takao, or Saigon.
However, these will never activate before January 1, 1944."

Strange as it may seem, but in my PBEM against ctangus we have 24.01.44 and I already have kamis! Even though ctangus posses no base within that 15-hexes radius.
Again - strange.
I just converted one squadron od Judies...
Can't wait to see the results ;)



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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 5:37:13 PM   
Feinder


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Can't wait to see the results ;)


Don't get your hopes up.

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/9/2007 10:07:38 PM   
viberpol


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder
Don't get your hopes up.


Can't be more true.

This is mediocre!

This is just like you predicted.
Divided unit of 27 Judies wasted the day...
One attacked base.
The second rammed single PT
Third group was shot down by CAP.


-------------------
Day Air attack on Babo , at 45,76
Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 15
D4Y Judy x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 41,77

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed

Allied Ships
PT PT-455, Kamikaze hits 7, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bula at 41,75
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 7

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
Spitfire VIII x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 7 destroyed


Matrix, fix it...

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/10/2007 6:30:35 AM   
ctangus


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quote:

ORIGINAL: viberpol


quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder
Don't get your hopes up.


Can't be more true.

This is mediocre!

This is just like you predicted.
Divided unit of 27 Judies wasted the day...
One attacked base.
The second rammed single PT
Third group was shot down by CAP.



I can't complain myself... Though I'd like to still have that PT boat...

It's certainly not right that 1/3 of them attacked a base. On the other hand I only had PT boats within Judy range of your strike so I'm not surprised that your Kamis attacked them. (That includes the group shot down by CAP - there's still PTs at Bula which your Judys must have been attacking.)

Thinking about this a little bit - kamikazes should have roughly twice the range of non-kamikaze planes. They don't need to return to base. That would have put your Judys within range of my CVs...

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RE: Request for 2 SIMPLE fixes... with major impacts - 8/10/2007 11:55:01 AM   
viberpol


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Status: offline 		I do not mind the shorter range.
I do not mind that they usualy go unescorted.
I do not even mind they hit seven times a tiny, single PT.
I do not really even mind they hit the base...

But if they hit the base, they should have inflicted some damage, shouldn't they??

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