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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 4:26:18 PM   
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Hey Ron;

Shouldn't that sign be in French too?




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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 5:47:52 PM   
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"Nothing screws up an NCO meeting like a Spec5 showing up."
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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 8:50:38 PM   
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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 9:08:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob
"Nothing screws up an NCO meeting like a Spec5 showing up."
-American Army


Speaking of which...I have still never heard an adequate explanation for what a goat locker is.

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 10:03:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob
"Nothing screws up an NCO meeting like a Spec5 showing up."
-American Army


Speaking of which...I have still never heard an adequate explanation for what a goat locker is.


goat locker
In navy jargon, the goat locker is a lounge, sleeping area, and galley onboard a naval vessel which is reserved for the exclusive use of Chief Petty Officers. By tradition, all other personnel, including officers and even the Commanding Officer, must request permission to enter the goat locker.

The term takes its name from the slang term "old goat," and is a recognition that CPOs are generally the oldest individuals aboard a navy ship.

In early sailing years, there was no refrigeration available so livestock would travel on ships, providing the crew fresh milk and eggs. To keep the supply of milk safe and available, the goat was kept in the Chief Petty Officers quarters. This is believed to be the source of the old Navy term, "Goat Locker."




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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 10:49:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob
"Nothing screws up an NCO meeting like a Spec5 showing up."
-American Army


Speaking of which...I have still never heard an adequate explanation for what a goat locker is.


goat locker
In navy jargon, the goat locker is a lounge, sleeping area, and galley onboard a naval vessel which is reserved for the exclusive use of Chief Petty Officers. By tradition, all other personnel, including officers and even the Commanding Officer, must request permission to enter the goat locker.

The term takes its name from the slang term "old goat," and is a recognition that CPOs are generally the oldest individuals aboard a navy ship.

In early sailing years, there was no refrigeration available so livestock would travel on ships, providing the crew fresh milk and eggs. To keep the supply of milk safe and available, the goat was kept in the Chief Petty Officers quarters. This is believed to be the source of the old Navy term, "Goat Locker."





I thought this was called the "Luv Shack" - or so my uncle once told me. Of course my uncle was a jarhead... <grin>

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/5/2006 10:53:44 PM   
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Hahahahahaha, a good one.
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ORIGINAL: m10bob

"Nothing screws up an NCO meeting like a Spec5 showing up."
-American Army
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Butter Bar:"I wonder how many rocks are in this field"?

First Shirt: "Fourteen thousand, six hundred and twelve, sir".
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Butter Bar: "Private, yuh got any smokes"?

Private: "Yeah"

Butter Bar: "What did you say, private"?

Private: "No, sir, I don't have any smokes, sir"!



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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/6/2006 12:25:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob
"Nothing screws up an NCO meeting like a Spec5 showing up."
-American Army


Speaking of which...I have still never heard an adequate explanation for what a goat locker is.


goat locker
In navy jargon, the goat locker is a lounge, sleeping area, and galley onboard a naval vessel which is reserved for the exclusive use of Chief Petty Officers. By tradition, all other personnel, including officers and even the Commanding Officer, must request permission to enter the goat locker.

The term takes its name from the slang term "old goat," and is a recognition that CPOs are generally the oldest individuals aboard a navy ship.

In early sailing years, there was no refrigeration available so livestock would travel on ships, providing the crew fresh milk and eggs. To keep the supply of milk safe and available, the goat was kept in the Chief Petty Officers quarters. This is believed to be the source of the old Navy term, "Goat Locker."


CO needing permission to enter?! The next man under God?! Must be one heck of a locker.

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/6/2006 12:48:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo
CO needing permission to enter?! The next man under God?! Must be one heck of a locker.



Even Admirals know that CPO's actually run the working Navy

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/6/2006 1:31:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo
CO needing permission to enter?! The next man under God?! Must be one heck of a locker.



Even Admirals know that CPO's actually run the working Navy



Same in the Army..The man is called the Command Sgt Major..(E 9)..
I never saw an O-6 or lower try to pull rank on one.....


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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/6/2006 12:38:48 PM   
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Some more:

The most dangerous thing in a combat zone is an officer with a map.
The only time suppressive fire works is when it is used on abandoned positions.
The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.

There is nothing more satisfying than having someone take a shot at you, and they miss.

Don't be conspicuous. In the combat zone it draws fire. Out of the combat zone it draws sergeants.

If your sergeant can see you, so can the enemy.
Never worry about the bullet with your name on it. Instead, worry about shrapnel addressed to 'occupant'.

All battles are fought at the junction of two or more map sheets ... printed at different scales.
Never reinforce failure, failure reinforces itself.
Parade ground inspections are to combat readiness what mess hall food is to cuisine.
Your mortar barrage will put exactly one round on the intended target. That round will be a dud.
Odd objects attract fire. You are odd.
Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs.
There is no such thing as a convenient foxhole.
If they're shooting at you, it's a high intensity conflict.
Minefields are not neutral.
If it's stupid and works, then it's not stupid.

And lastly my favourite:

Tactics are for amateurs; professionals study logistics


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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/6/2006 12:56:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo
CO needing permission to enter?! The next man under God?! Must be one heck of a locker.



Even Admirals know that CPO's actually run the working Navy



Same in the Army..The man is called the Command Sgt Major..(E 9)..
I never saw an O-6 or lower try to pull rank on one.....



Highest NCOs (sorry, NCMs, Non Commissioned Members now in our PC, gender friendly, bias free, sex change on the house military these days) are impervious to courts martial unless by a general officer.


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RE: "If it moves, shoot it...if it don't, paint it... - 11/7/2006 4:01:30 AM   
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Real Chiefs don't own civilian clothes.

Real Chiefs have CPO Association Cards from their last five commands.
Real Chiefs don't remember life before they were a Chief.

Real Chiefs Wedding Proposal: "There will be a wedding at 1000 hours on 29 October, be there in whites with your gear packed because you will be a prime participant."

Real Chiefs favorite national holiday is CPO Initiation.

Real Chiefs believe that in the Navy every day is a holiday, every meal is a feast, every payday is a lottery and every muster is a family reunion.

Real Chiefs favorite breakfast is shipboard SOS.
Real Chiefs don't know how to tell civilian time.
Real Chiefs call each other "Chief."

Real Chiefs greatest fear is signing for property book items.
Real Chiefs dream in Navy Blue, White, Haze Gray and occasionally khaki.
Real Chiefs have served on ships that are now war memorials or tourist attractions.
Real Chiefs get tears in their eyes when the "Chief" dies in the movie "Operation Pacific."

Real Chiefs don't like "Certified Navy Twill" (CNT's). "Wash khaki" is the ONLY thing out of which to make a uniform.

Real Chiefs can find their way to the CPO Club while blindfolded on fifteen different Navy bases.

Real Chiefs have pictures of past ships in their wallets.
Real Chiefs only own ink pens that have "Property U.S. Government" printed on them.
Real Chiefs never volunteer to get mandatory flu shots.
Real Chiefs have a permanent curl in their forefinger.
Real Chiefs don't order supplies, they swap for them.

Real Chiefs favorite quote is from the movie Ben Hur, "We keep you alive to serve this
ship."

Real Chiefs think excessive modesty is their only fault.
Real Chiefs hate to write evaluations, except for their own.
Real Chiefs turn in a four page brag sheet for their evaluation.
Real Chiefs always say their last ship was their best ship.
Real Chiefs know that the black tar in their coffee cup makes the coffee taste better.
Real Chiefs are proudest when one of their former strikers makes Chief.

Real Chiefs idea of heaven: Three good PO1's and a Division Officer who does what he is told.

Real Chiefs think John Wayne would have made a good Chief if he had not gone soft and made Marine movies.

Real Chiefs use the term "Good Training" to describe any unpleasant task. Scraping the sides of the ship is "Good Training." Having to sleep on your sea bag in the parking lot because there was no room in the barracks is "Good Training."

Real Chiefs teach their children that the highest attainment in life should be in becoming a Chief.

Real Chiefs can never fathom why a Chief would even consider accepting a commission. Real Chiefs think "Crepes and Quiche" are a gay Hollywood couple.
Real Chiefs rather hitchhike than own an imported automobile, truck or motorcycle.

Real Chiefs keep four sets of dress khaki uniforms in the closet in hopes they will come back.

Real Chiefs love their mothers mainly because she has a son or daughter in the Navy.

Real Chiefs believe that the only thing to make life more complete is if he/she had been born in a naval hospital.

Real Chiefs are always right and they know it. In the impossible hypothesis that a subordinate may be right, the former still applies.

Real Chiefs do not regard an officer's rank and title as the measure of his or her competence.

Real Chiefs are the only people who can make the title "Ensign" sound like a four letter word.

Real Chiefs are always "The Chief" - even in shower shoes and a towel.
Real Chiefs will tell you that they are always a part of the answer, never the problem.

Real Chiefs will always say, "Let me do it for you, Sir," and then promptly assign someone to do it.

Real Chiefs don't sleep; they rest.
Real Chiefs are never late; they are detained elsewhere.
Real Chiefs never leave work; their presence is required elsewhere.
Real Chiefs never eat sliders at mid rats.
Real Chiefs don't eat quiche, and they can't pronounce it or spell it.
Real Chiefs never read the newspaper in the mess; they study current events.
Real Chiefs play cut-throat Hearts, not Poker; and never, ever Bridge.

Real Chiefs never play a sport where the ball doesn't come back by itself (bowling - yes, golf - no, tennis - never).

Real Chiefs call their spouses WIFELANT or WIFEPAC, or CINCHOUSE or CINCFAM.

Real Chiefs are at sea when their kids are born. ["You have to be there to lay the keel but not to launch them."]

Real Chiefs always say, "Morning," never "Good morning," except when they are getting ready to get underway.

Real Chiefs never eat off of the ship. They know the best food is in the Chiefs' Mess.

Real Chiefs are hated by Supply Officers who take inventory after the Real Chief pays a social call.

Real Chiefs don't write in cursive, except for their paycheck signatures.

Real Chiefs think that the easiest day at sea is tougher than the worst day on shore duty.
Real Chiefs don't make coffee.

Real Chiefs know that you can never, ever, at any time, at any location, sea or shore, or under any circumstances, be allowed to run out of coffee.

Real Chiefs never wash out their coffee cups, rinse maybe, but never wash unless they know that it has been pi**ed in.

Real Chiefs have a coffee pot next to their desks with an intravenous tube running into their arms.

Real Chiefs have a Goat Locker.
Real Chiefs never vacation; every day on the ship is a vacation.

Real Chiefs think that "sensitivity" is a control knob on a radar or sonar console and that's all it is.

Real Chiefs have the heart of a little boy ... kept in a jar on the desk.
Real Chiefs' think that remote control is a PO1 on the other end of a walkie-talkie.

Real Chiefs know that you don't need a computer to sail a ship, especially when the power is out.

Real Chiefs think that a seven-course meal on liberty is a baked potato and a six-pack of beer.

Real Chiefs never go on liberty with their juniors; they conduct training sessions.
Real Chiefs never have wine on liberty; it better be brewed and it better be cold.

Real Chiefs can name at least fifteen bars in Hong Kong, but know that the best bars are across the bay in Kowloon.

Real Chiefs have tattoos; otherwise, how would they remember what a great time they had on liberty?

Real Chiefs can communicate with each other using farts.

Real Chiefs have mastered the use of the silent, but deadly, fart and they are not afraid to use it, especially around watch stations.

Real Chiefs have a "Zippo" that has been everywhere and still works.

Real Chiefs have tattoos on their forearms that would force them to keep their cuffs buttoned at a church picnic.

Real Chiefs take eighteen year-old idiots and hammer them into Sailors.
Real Chiefs know that the term "All hands" means "All hands."

Real Chiefs don't have to command respect; they get it because there is nothing else that you can give them.

Real Chiefs are expert at choosing descriptive adjectives and nouns, none of which their mothers would endorse.

Real Chiefs have rows of hard-earned, worn, and faded ribbons, but know that ribbons don't make you a Sailor.

Real Chiefs are matured like good whisky in steel hulls over many years.
Real Chiefs aren't the kind of guys you thank; monkeys in zoos don't spend a lot of time thanking the guy who makes them do tricks for peanuts.
Real Chiefs are the standard by which you measure all others.

Real Chiefs were educated at the other end of an anchor chain from Copenhagen to Singapore.

Real Chiefs never excuse being late, not helping a shipmate, or running out of coffee.
Real Chiefs never spill a drink.

Real Chiefs never drink and drive because you might hit a bump and spill a drink.
Real Chiefs never go to sick call.

Real Chiefs have to go out and bring everyone back.

Real Chiefs know that you never wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

Real Chiefs never argue with an idiot because people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

Real Chiefs observe everything, but admire nothing.
Real Chiefs know that they will always get what they in-spect, not what they ex-pect.

Real Chiefs agreed with John Wayne when he said, "Life is tough! But it's tougher when you're stupid!"

Real Chiefs know that no sailor is completely worthless, because worst case, they serve as a good bad example.

Real Chiefs know that there's no help program like a self-help program.

Real Chiefs will tell you that, "If you are going to do something stupid, at least be smart about it."

Real Chiefs can write up anyone they want.
Real Chiefs are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, Real Chiefs are very careful and precise.
Real Chiefs can find the best bar in any port by dead reckoning.

Real Chiefs paint their houses Navy Grey with their addresses taken from their favorite hull number.

Real Chiefs have a red and green buoy at the end of their driveways.
Real Chiefs eat lightning and crap thunder.
Real Chiefs consider a hurricane to be good sea trials.
Real Chiefs are the Navy.

Real Chiefs think that Ensigns, like diapers, should be changed often and for the same reason.

Real Chiefs know that once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it only makes it worse.

Real Chiefs assume nothing is so simple that it cannot be misunderstood and they act accordingly.

Real Chiefs view land as a mere hazard to navigation.
Real Chiefs never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Real Chiefs never take the advice of someone who has not had their kind of trouble.
Real Chiefs know that if it is stupid but works, it is not stupid.

Real chiefs will tell you that you can survive on charm for about 5 minutes, after that, you'd better know something.

Real Chiefs know that assumption is the mother of all screw-ups.
Real Chiefs never assume, they get the facts.
Real Chiefs do not confuse efforts with results.

Real Chiefs will give you three choices in any situation; change, accept, or leave the Navy.

Real Chiefs think multi-tasking is done in the shipyard head reading a newspaper.
Real Chiefs know that prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

Real Chiefs know that every part of the Chief's initiation is an important part of becoming a Chief and don't need to question it.

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RE: "If it moves, shoot it...if it don't, paint it... - 11/7/2006 10:30:26 AM   
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Hear, hear! Well said, Senior Chief!

Another one...

Real chiefs don't drink...
but if they do drink, they don't get drunk...
but if they do get drunk, they don't stumble...
but if they do stumble, they don't fall down...
but if they do fall down...
they fall face down and on their left arm so they will be mistaken for an officer.

Chez

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RE: "If it moves, shoot it...if it don't, paint it... - 11/7/2006 2:41:41 PM   
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Military idioms,(and some phrases)..

"Hurry up and wait"
"Front leaning rest position..HARCH!"
"YOU WILL have a good time!"(never good)..
"Load and LOCK"(It is impossible to "lock and load", but thats' what civilians love to say)..
(Load is to place the round in the chamber/breech, lock is to close the bolt,preparatory to firing).....

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/7/2006 5:16:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tallyho!
Never worry about the bullet with your name on it. Instead, worry about shrapnel addressed to 'occupant'


Other version: Never worry about the bullet with your name on it. Instead, worry about the one labelled 'to whom it may concern'.

And one missing on the Murphy list: If they make something weigh half as much, you'll need twice as many.

Some more:

The further you are in advance of your own positions, the more likely your artillery will shoot short.

There is nothing more satisfying that having someone take a shot at you, and miss.

No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

When in doubt, empty the magazine.

Try to look unimportant, because the bad guys may be low on ammo.

The enemy diversion you are ignoring is the main attack.

If you are short of everything except enemy, you are in combat.

When you have secured an area, don't forget to tell the enemy.

Body-count math is 3 guerillas plus 1 probable plus 2 pigs equals 37 enemy killed in action.

Radar tends to fail at night and in bad weather, and especially during both.

Anything you do can get you shot - including doing nothing.




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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/7/2006 6:09:51 PM   
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Then and Now - Military Service Compared World War II and Today


1945 - Rifles were made of wood and steel, shot a .30 caliber bullet that killed the enemy.
Now - Rifles are made of plastic and aluminum, shoot a .22 caliber bullet that wounds the enemy.

1945 - The winning side used a US made .45 Caliber pistol, the losers a European 9mm.
Now - We use a European 9mm pistol. Nobody uses the .45.

1945 - If you smoked, you had an ashtray on your desk.
Now - If you smoke, you are sent outside and are treated like a leper.

1945 - If you said "damn," people knew you were annoyed and avoided you.
Now - If you say "damn" you better be talking about a hydroelectric plant.

1945 - NCO's had a typewriter on their desks for doing daily reports.
Now - Everyone has an Internet computer, and they wonder why no work is getting done.

1945 - We painted pictures of pretty girls on airplanes to remind us of home.
Now - We put the real thing in the cockpit.

1945 - Your girlfriend was at home, praying you would return alive.
Now - She is in the same foxhole, praying your condom worked.

1945 - If you got drunk off duty, your buddies would take you back to the barracks to sleep it off.
Now - If you get drunk any time they slap you in rehab and ruin your whole career.

1945 - You were taught to aim at your enemy and shoot him.
Now - You spray 500 bullets into the brush, don't hit anything, and retreat because you are out of ammo.

1945 - Canteens were made out of steel. You could heat coffee or hot chocolate in them.
Now - Canteens are made of plastic. You can't heat anything in them and they always taste like plastic.

1945 - Officers were professional soldiers first. They commanded respect.
Now - Officers are politicians first. They beg not to be given a wedgie.

1945 - They collected enemy intelligence and analyzed it.
Now - They collect our pee and analyze it.

1945 - If you don't act right, the commander might put you in the stockade till you straighten up.
Now - If you don't act right, they start a paper trail that follows you forever.

1945 - Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk of their own.
Now - Medals are awarded to people who show up for work most of the time.

1945 - You slept in a barracks, like a soldier.
Now - You sleep in a dormitory, like a college kid.

1945 - You ate in a Mess Hall. It was free and you could have all the food you wanted.
Now - You eat in a dining facility. Every slice of bread or pat of butter costs, and you can only have one.

1945 - We defeated powerful countries like Germany and Japan.
Now - We can't even beat Iraq or Yugoslavia.

1945 - If you wanted to relax, you went to the Rec. Center, played pool, smoked and drank beer.
Now - You go to the Community Center and can still play pool.

1945 - If you wanted a beer and conversation you could go to the NCO or Officers Club.
Now - The beer will cost you $1.75, membership is forced, and someone is watching how much you drink.

1945 - You could buy quartermaster gas tax free because it was on a military reservation.
Now - AAFES charges you the tax but pockets the money themselves because it is on a military reservation.

1945 -The PX had bargains for GI's who didn't make much money.
Now - You can get better merchandise cheaper at Wal-Mart.

1945 - If a general wanted to make a presentation he scribbled some notes down and a corporal prepared a bunch of charts.
Now - The general prepares his own charts, spending hours using Power Point.

1945 - We could recognize the enemy by their Nazi helmets.
Now - We are wearing the Nazi helmets.

1945 - We called the enemy things like "Krauts" and "Japs" because we didn't like them.
Now - We call the enemy things like "opposing forces" and "aggressors" so we won't offend them.

1945 - Victory was declared when the enemy was dead and all his things were broken.
Now - Victory is declared when the enemy says he is sorry.

1945 - If you killed an enemy soldier, you could bring home his rifle as a trophy.
Now - If you bring home anything at all as a trophy you get a court martial.

1945 - A commander would put his butt on the line to protect his people.
Now - A commander will put his people on the line to protect his butt.

1945 - After the war, you could buy your own rifle from the government, cheap.
Now - You can't be trusted with your own rifle, and you'll be jailed if you ever get one.

1945 - Wars were planned and run by generals with lots of important victories.
Now - Wars are planned and run by politicians with lots of important panty raids.

1945 - We knew we were fighting for freedom. The country was committed to winning.
Now - We don't know what we are fighting for.

1945 - All you could think of was getting out and becoming a civilian again.
Now - All you can think of is getting out and becoming a civilian again.


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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/7/2006 9:29:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

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1945 - All you could think of was getting out and becoming a civilian again.
Now - All you can think of is getting out and becoming a civilian again.



Now - All you can think of is getting out and becoming an overpaid consultant to a DoD contractor.

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RE: "If it moves, shoot it...if it don't, paint it... - 11/7/2006 10:44:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Tremblay

- No combat ready unit ever passed inspection. No inspection ready unit ever

passed combat.



Boy ain't that the truth. I see that every day.

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RE: "If it moves, shoot it...if it don't, paint it... - 11/7/2006 11:44:45 PM   
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One that I have not seen here I got from Everquest (MMORPG).  But I assume it has some military basis.

The enemy you see running is merely going to get his friends.

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/7/2006 11:49:02 PM   
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No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.



I know this one from somewhere


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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/8/2006 1:48:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Then and Now - Military Service Compared World War II and Today


1945 - Rifles were made of wood and steel, shot a .30 caliber bullet that killed the enemy.
Now - Rifles are made of plastic and aluminum, shoot a .22 caliber bullet that wounds the enemy.
...
(edit long list)
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1945 - All you could think of was getting out and becoming a civilian again.
Now - All you can think of is getting out and becoming a civilian again.



Brilliant LST ,
you summed up very nicely why I got out and passed up a career I thought I wanted..

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/8/2006 4:50:23 AM   
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U - Uncle
S - Sam

A - Ain't
R - Released
M- Me
Y - Yet

As for being an infantryman rather than a tanker - Tanks are moving foxholes, and anything that moves is a target.

- You know you are in combat when you are short of everything except targets
- The things that must be together to work are never shippped together, and you never get the them at the same time.
- If you make it so hard for the enemy to get to you position, you can't get out when he does
- The poor plan executed well today, is better than the perfect plan executed poorly tomorrow
- Remember that your equipement and weapons were made by the lowest bidder

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/8/2006 12:16:39 PM   
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Ok, this is the most complete list I have found so far. Many of the points have already been posted, but I'm too lazy to edit them out...
 
Enjoy!
 
MURPHY'S LAW OF COMBAT




1. Friendly fire - isn't.
2. Recoilless rifles - aren't.
3. Suppressive fires - won't.
4. You are not Superman; Marines and fighter pilots take note.
5. A sucking chest wound is Nature's way of telling you to slow down.
6. If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.
7. Try to look unimportant; the enemy may be low on ammo and not want to waste a bullet on you.
8. If at first you don't succeed, call for artillery. When that doesn't work, for an airstrike.
9. The further you are in advance of your own positions, the more likely your artillery will fall short.
10. Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself.
11. Never go to bed with anyone crazier than yourself.
12. Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
13. If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
14. The enemy diversion you're ignoring is their main attack.
15. The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions: 1) when they're ready, 2) when you're not.
16. "No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy." - Field Marshall Helmuth Carl Bernard von Moltke [1990's version: No PLAN ever survives initial contact.]
17. There is no such thing as a perfect plan.
18. Five-second fuses always burn three seconds.
19. There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole.
20. A retreating enemy is probably just falling back and regrouping.
21. The important things are always simple; the simple are always hard.
22. The problem with taking easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it.
23. Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at.
24. Don't look conspicuous. In the combat zone, it draws fire. Out of the combat zone, it draws sergeants. [Corollary: For this reason, it is not at all uncommon for aircraft carriers to be known as bomb magnets.]
25. Never draw fire; it irritates everyone around you.
26. If you are short of everything but the enemy, you are in the combat zone.
27. When you have secured the area, make sure the enemy knows it too.
28. Incoming fire has the right of way.
29. No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection.
30. No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat.
31. If the enemy is within range, so are you.
32. The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.
33. Things that must be shipped together as a set, aren't.
34. Things that must work together, can't be carried to the field that way.
35. Radios will fail as soon as you need fire support. (Corollary: Radar tends to fail at night and in bad weather, and especially during both.)
36. Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing.
37. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in, and you won't be able to get out.
38. Tracers work both ways.
39. If you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will get more than your fair share of objectives to take.
40. When both sides are convinced they're about to lose, they're both right.
41. Professional soldiers are predictable; the world is full of dangerous amateurs.
42. When your fear of the plane overcomes your fear of the ejection seat, it's time to "punch out."
43. Military Intelligence is a contradiction.
44. Fortify your front; you'll get your rear shot up.
45. The more a weapon costs, the farther you will have to send it away to be repaired.
46. Weather isn't neutral.
47. If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you.
48. Air defense motto: shoot 'em down; sort 'em out on the ground.
49. 'Flies high, it dies; low and slow, it'll go.
50. The Cavalry doesn't always come to the rescue.
51. Napalm is an area support weapon.
52. Mines are equal opportunity weapons.
53. B-52s are the ultimate close support weapon.
54. Sniper's motto: reach out and touch someone.
55. Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity.
56. The one item you need is always in short supply.
57. Interchangeable parts aren't.
58. It's not the one [bullet] with your name on it; it's the one [bullet or shrapnel] addressed "to whom it may concern" or "occupant" that you've got to worry about.
59. When in doubt, empty your magazine.
60. The side with the simplest uniforms wins. [Corollary: The army with the smartest dress uniform will lose.]
61. Combat will occur on the ground between two adjoining maps...printed at different scales.
62. If the Platoon Sergeant can see you, so can the enemy.
63. Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, never stay awake when you can sleep.
64. The most dangerous thing in the world is a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass.
65. Exceptions prove the rule, and destroy the battle plan.
66. Everything always works in your HQ; everything always fails in the Colonel's HQ.
67. The enemy never watches until you make a mistake.
68. One enemy soldier is never enough, but two is entirely too many.
69. A clean (and dry) set of BDU's is a magnet for mud and rain.
70. The worse the weather, the more you are required to be out in it.
71. Whenever you have plenty of ammo, you never miss. Whenever you are low on ammo, you can't hit the broad side of a barn.
72. The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator.
73. Field experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
74. No matter which way you have to march, it's always uphill.
75. If enough data is collected, a board of inquiry can prove anything.
76. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. (in boot camp)
77. Airstrikes always overshoot the target, artillery always falls short.
78. When reviewing the radio frequencies that you just wrote down, the most important ones are always illegible.
79. Those who hesitate under fire usually do not end up KIA or WIA.
80. The tough part about being an officer is that the troops don't know what they want, but they know for certain what they don't want.
81. To steal information from a person is called plagiarism. To steal information from the enemy is called gathering intelligence.
82. The weapon that usually jams when you need it the most is the M60.
83. The perfect officer for the job will transfer in the day after that billet is filled by someone else.
84. When you have sufficient supplies & ammo, the enemy takes 2 weeks to attack. When you are low on supplies & ammo the enemy decides to attack that night.
85. The newest and least experienced soldier will usually win the Medal of Honor.
86. A Purple Heart just proves that were you smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive.
87. Murphy was a grunt.
88. Beer Math --> 2 beers times 37 men equals 49 cases.
89. Body count Math --> 3 guerrillas plus 1 probable plus 2 pigs equals 37 enemies killed in action.
90. The bursting radius of a hand grenade is always one foot greater than your jumping range. [Corollary: The effective radius of a hand grenade is greater the average grunt can throw it.]
91. All-weather close air support doesn't work in bad weather.
92. The combat worth of a unit is inversely proportional to the smartness of its outfit and appearance.
93. The crucial round is a dud.
94. Every command which can be misunderstood, will be.
95. There is no such place as a convenient foxhole.
96. Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last and don't ever volunteer to do anything.
97. If your positions are firmly set and you are prepared to take the enemy assault on, he will bypass you.
98. If your ambush is properly set, the enemy won't walk into it.
99. If your flank march is going well, the enemy expects you to outflank him.
100. Density of fire increases proportionally to the curiousness of the target.
101. Odd objects attract fire - never lurk behind one. [Corollary: Odd objects attract fire -- you are odd.]
102. The more stupid the leader is, the more important missions he is ordered to carry out.
103. The self-importance of a superior is inversely proportional to his position in the hierarchy (as is his deviousness and mischievousness).
104. There is always a way, and it usually doesn't work.
105. Success occurs when no one is looking, failure occurs when the General is watching.
106. The enemy never monitors your radio frequency until you broadcast on an unsecured channel.
107. Whenever you drop your equipment in a fire-fight, your ammo and grenades always fall the farthest away, and your canteen always lands at your feet.
108. As soon as you are served hot chow in the field, it rains.
109. Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do.
110. The seriousness of a wound (in a fire-fight) is inversely proportional to the distance to any form of cover.
111. Walking point = sniper bait.
112. Your bivouac for the night is the spot where you got tired of marching that day.
113. If only one solution can be found for a field problem, then it is usually a stupid solution.
114. The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at.
115. The Quartermaster has only two sizes, too large and too small.
116. If you really need an officer in a hurry, take a nap.
117. The only time suppressive fire works is when it is used on abandoned positions.
118. There is nothing more satisfying than having someone take a shot at you, and miss.
119. All battles are fought uphill.
120. All battles are fought in the rain.
121. More aircraft are incapacitated by a shortage of spare parts than by enemy action .
122. What gets you promoted from one rank, gets you killed in the next rank.
123. The mortar team will always have the correct number of safety pins to prove they armed all the rounds. [Corollary: To ensure this, the mortar teams always carry extra pins.]
124. If orders can be misunderstood, they have been.
125. Your mortar barrage will put exactly one round on the intended target. That round will be a dud.
126. "Boldness becomes rarer the higher the rank." -- Karl von Clausewitz
127. Never reinforce failure. Failure reinforces itself.
128. When a front line soldier overhears two General Staff officers conferring, he's fallen back too far.
129. It isn't necessary to be an idiot to be a senior officer, but it sure helps.
131. Nothing is impossible for those who don't have to do it.
132. Always know when to get out of "Dodge". [Corollary: Always know how to get out of "Dodge".]
133. Priorities are made by officers, not God. There's a difference.
134. Always honor a threat.
135. The weight of all your equipment is proportional to the cube of the time you have been carrying it.
136. "Hell hath no fury like a non-combatant." -- Charles Edward Montague
137. Fighter pilots make movies; attack pilots make history.
138. There are two kinds of naval vessels: submarines and targets.
139. "Surprise is an event that takes place in the mind of a commander." -- Jerry Pournelle
140. The enemy diversion you are ignoring is the main attack.
141. Radios function perfectly until you need fire support.
142. Parade ground inspections are to combat readiness as mess hall food is to cuisine.

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/8/2006 3:05:57 PM   
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Had an old chief who was a jewel. We were in Ponce refueling and some of us went to the EM club to do some personal refueling ourselves since we were technically off watch and off ship. Some of the folks there were complaining about an upcoming bivouac (sp?) until the Chief said: "What's the matter. Caterer isn't good enough?" That started some sh.... well, you know the rest.

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RE: How Navy Weapon Systems are bought - 11/8/2006 6:06:20 PM   
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One of the most important things I learned in the CAV: FIDO

F#ck
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