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Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 12:38:16 PM   
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I brought oil to Sapporo, but it disappears in 1-2 turns. Is Sapporo connected to the main Island?
What other Islands are connected? (movement-wise)

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 12:42:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		That might depend on what pwhex file you are using. Here is how to see for certain.

Press the 'R' key. That will toggle on the display of the trail/road/rail network.

You can also press the 'F6' key, which will show hexsides. That will tell you if land units can move across the hexsides.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 1:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		oil/resources/supplies will cross one hex of water if there is a port on each size. In the case of Sapporo, it is linked in this way with the Japanese mainland.

Just drop oil and resources in a Japanese port, and let the computer mess around with them. It seems to me it will bring enough for HI to work everywhere each turn, but I'm sure that any dump you will create outside Sasebo, Tokyo or Osaka will be moved by the computer shortly thereafter.

On the other hand remember to drop oil in Indochina, Formosa and China/Korea, and resources in Formosa, or you will have a part of your HI not working. You have some months before taking care of this anyway due to pre-war stocks.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 2:25:42 PM   
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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 4:38:59 PM   
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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 5:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		IIRC; the ports have to be size 5 or bigger for resources, supply, oil etc. to "jump" over the water.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 9:30:34 PM   
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IIRC; the ports have to be size 5 or bigger for resources, supply, oil etc. to "jump" over the water.


Size 5 ?? I thought only size 3 was required. I believe that is what the manual says - but it has been wrong in the past. Has anyone done any actual tests ?

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/13/2006 10:39:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		So does this mean that oil dropped at Singapore can be fed to industry in Manchuria, assuming Japanese owned roads/railways in between????


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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 12:19:23 AM   
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Yes.

Also, oil tends to move to the farthest north location in northern Japan. For instance, if you dump a bunch in Toyohara (sp?) on Sakhalin Is. It will then migrate to the city north of it. It will still get moved to the factories in time for production, so long as it is on the railroad.


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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 1:06:09 AM   
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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 2:55:04 AM   
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So does this mean that oil dropped at Singapore can be fed to industry in Manchuria, assuming Japanese owned roads/railways in between????


Yes and no. Oil/Resouces travel furthest on rails, but roads cut the length it travels down a lot. So Oil dropped in Singapore may feed into Bagkok and maybe Saigon / Camranh Bay but thats it. Its kinda like supplies - it only moves so far per turn. And the further it travels the less that gets moved.

You're better off dropping off oil in Singapore (for Singapore only) and dropping off in Saigon for there.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 3:46:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I take oil to Singapore, Saigon, Formosa, Shanghai, Hong Kong, the Home Islands, and Foochow. Think of each port as serving a hinterland of Heavy Industry. Singapore also serves Bangkok. Saigon also serves Hanoi. Shanghai serves the mainland, etc. It is a simple matter to total the HI requirements of these regions, factor in oil production within the region, and come up with how much oil you need to haul to each port.

Clearing the rail line in China means something

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 4:58:39 AM   
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Clearing the rail line in China means something


Exactly. The rail line in china is very important for moving not only oil / resources to the ports, but for moving supply around between bases - and not to mention quick troop movement as well.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 5:19:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

IIRC; the ports have to be size 5 or bigger for resources, supply, oil etc. to "jump" over the water.


Size 5 ?? I thought only size 3 was required. I believe that is what the manual says - but it has been wrong in the past. Has anyone done any actual tests ?

Xargun



I think limit is size 5, since I play CHS with Andy's 6.2/6.3 map and supply doesn't seem to jump from Wellington to base in south (not present in stock anyway)...and while Wellington is built up to 9 (IIRC), other base is max 4.

I can be wrong..but to me it seems so.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 6:21:13 PM   
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I think limit is size 5, since I play CHS with Andy's 6.2/6.3 map and supply doesn't seem to jump from Wellington to base in south (not present in stock anyway)...and while Wellington is built up to 9 (IIRC), other base is max 4.

I can be wrong..but to me it seems so.


Interesting. I added that base - Picton - to allow supplies to go to the NZ South Island, as I also thought that the base size for this was 3. If it is really 5 then I will have to reconsider!

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 6:51:19 PM   
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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/14/2006 7:18:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
I think limit is size 5, since I play CHS with Andy's 6.2/6.3 map and supply doesn't seem to jump from Wellington to base in south (not present in stock anyway)...and while Wellington is built up to 9 (IIRC), other base is max 4.

I can be wrong..but to me it seems so.


Interesting. I added that base - Picton - to allow supplies to go to the NZ South Island, as I also thought that the base size for this was 3. If it is really 5 then I will have to reconsider!

Andrew


I'm not 100 % sure. It might just be that I don't have enough supplies in north to that happen. After 1.8 patches bases are really stingy when it comes to supply flow... But I'll try to dump 30k or something to Wellington to see what happens.

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 11/20/2006 5:34:37 PM   
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It seems that at least supply doesn't "jump" from port to port when under size of 5. AB's map, New Zealand: Picton is size 4, Wellington size 9 (or was it 8, don't remember). Wellington is "orange", low on supply. I dumped 45 000 supply on Picton and waited 10 days. No supply moved to Wellington during that time. So, I think the minimum size of port is 5 even when manual says it's 3. Couldn't test oil & resources, tho.

Can anyone confirm this ?

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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 12/29/2006 1:32:12 AM   
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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 12/29/2006 3:58:40 AM   
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After over one year of playing exclusively the Allies I'm now giving it a shot with the Japs.






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RE: Is Sapporo connected? - 12/29/2006 10:34:29 PM   
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