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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/6/2006 1:12:08 PM   
Ron Saueracker


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ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Ah hem. Well seeing as I am the "other" person what I have to say should carry some weight. I couldn't careless what hair-brained plan Honda has come up with, just so long as he sticks around to play the game to it's logical conclusion in '44 or '45 (godforbid'46).





Exactly...not much fun to have to put up with endless poundings for up to a year only to have some Jap opponent bail after losing a few ships.


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RE: Anyone know... - 12/6/2006 9:21:56 PM   
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Once Sydney falls, the fall of Melbourne is almost inevitable, regardless of players competence.


Not at all. What you say is only correct if the Allied player has failed to garrison Melbourne. If he has failed to garrison such a crucial base then he deserves absolutely everything he gets. IF he has garrisoned it with a division behind level 9 forts then Melbourne is almost inviolable.


Why would someone have a division behind level 9 forts in Melbourne AND leave Sydney unprotected? The Allied player "deserves what he gets" for failing to garrison Sydney in the first place, although I wouldn't judge his competence before seeing the big picture. To say that he is ADDITIONALY "incompetent" if he ALSO loses Melbourne is an overkill IMHO.

Back to original question...

After checking the schedule it seems that Australian reinforcements are arriving all over the place (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Darwin...). My take is that Sydney arrivals will shift to Melbourne and, after Melbourne is taken, they will be "frozen" (not lost).

The other Australian reinforcements will probably continue to arrive normally. Moreover, it wouldn't surprise me if Sidney-Melbourne arrivals were also shifted to one of unoccupied bases.

Raverdave will be the one to know…

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RE: Anyone know... - 12/6/2006 9:26:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever, Sydney was taken around 10th April so I belive most of the reinforcements that matter (INF units) should have arrived by then.

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RE: Anyone know... - 12/6/2006 11:28:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Reason that Sydney was so lightly defended was due to the fact that all of the Aussie troops were at the FRONT LINE, which is PM, Darwin and I have one Division in NZ.  After Honda took Noumea the logical conclusion was that he was going to march on NZ to cut the US-Aust SLOC, so I loaded the troops out of Melbourne and Sydney to help defend NZ.  I guessed wrong and Sydney has fallen.  I certainly don't see myself as being "incompetent".......but I have been out smarted !

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/6/2006 11:48:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I remember my history correctly, Prime Minister Curtin fought hard to get the 6th and 7th AIF Divs back from North Africa to defend the home country. General Blamey initially used the 7th AIF Div to defend 'The Brisbane Line', should the NE coast of Oz be invaded by the Japs. It was only the pressure put on PM by the Japs advancing over the Owen Stanley Mountains that got one Brigade of said Div moved to PM in July 42 to support 30th Militia Bde. With the stalemate at Gaudalcanal late in 42 the balance of the 7th was moved to PM to start the joint Oz/US advance on Buna.

The Japanese Strategic Goal (in April 42) was to cut supply lines to Oz from the US by capturing PM, Solomons, Fiji and Samoa to force a capitulation. If that didn't work the IJA were considering plans to launch an invasion in '43.

If the Allied player doesn't adequately defend strategic locations then thats their lookout. If the Jap player lands on the SE coast of Oz - with their flank protected by bases in the Solomons and New Caledonia - then I see that as an acceptable extention of historical Japanese aims. Fortunately Midway changed that. It seems to me, in this game, their 'Midway' off Nomuea went the other way and allowed the invasion of Oz to proceed.

Well thats how I see it. Good luck to both Honda and Raver

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/7/2006 2:49:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tallyho!

If I remember my history correctly, Prime Minister Curtin fought hard to get the 6th and 7th AIF Divs back from North Africa to defend the home country. General Blamey initially used the 7th AIF Div to defend 'The Brisbane Line', should the NE coast of Oz be invaded by the Japs. It was only the pressure put on PM by the Japs advancing over the Owen Stanley Mountains that got one Brigade of said Div moved to PM in July 42 to support 30th Militia Bde. With the stalemate at Gaudalcanal late in 42 the balance of the 7th was moved to PM to start the joint Oz/US advance on Buna.



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If the Allied player doesn't adequately defend strategic locations then thats their lookout. If the Jap player lands on the SE coast of Oz - with their flank protected by bases in the Solomons and New Caledonia - then I see that as an acceptable extention of historical Japanese aims. Fortunately Midway changed that. It seems to me, in this game, their 'Midway' off Nomuea went the other way and allowed the invasion of Oz to proceed.

Well thats how I see it. Good luck to both Honda and Raver


Also correct, except that I was operating under the assumption that Honda having taken Nomuea would next move onto NZ. There was no warning that Honda (and who would have expected it?) would shift his interest towards Australia. Granted I would have expected it AFTER NZ had fallen but this was not the case. I think that Honda will find it Melbourne a bit harder to knock over as there are three Divisions and one Brigade tasked with defending it. Also he has to worry about the 6 divisions that are marching towards Sydney from the north.
In taking Sydney and Noumea (as well as his assault on India which btw I gutted the RN in it's defence) Honda has lost a total of 102 ships with well over 50% of these APs. Inaddition to that I estimate that he has another 50 to 100 or so APs in various states of damage. His ability to continue moving large amounts of men and supplies has been crippled. It is going to be interesting to see how he can keep up his supply needs to Australia and the South Pacific.


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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/7/2006 11:08:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cool! Since we're opening the decks, here are my thaughts.
1. APs - no problem there. My major troop movements have been completed. In India, the losses were only slow AKs and APs. In Sydney operation I have so far lost 2 DDs and a PC. Sydney harbour is huge + small repair yard so the damaged ships are reparing nicely.
2. You do NOT want to march on Sydney and you do NOT want to defend Melbourne. Take it from me

As I said, little Raver WILL learn Japanese language as obligatory in primery school

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/7/2006 8:26:27 PM   
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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/7/2006 9:05:46 PM   
Honda


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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/7/2006 9:40:11 PM   
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Also correct, except that I was operating under the assumption that Honda having taken Nomuea would next move onto NZ. There was no warning that Honda (and who would have expected it?) would shift his interest towards Australia. Granted I would have expected it AFTER NZ had fallen but this was not the case.


Hey mate, no criticism intended. I didn't see your post 'til after I'd sent mine.
In your shoes I would have made the same judgement and ended up just as scr*wed
Thats what makes this game so engrossing. If war was so predictable and military strategy infallible - then war would be redundant.

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/7/2006 9:40:51 PM   
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oh, we are the witness of the 'victory disease' here, me thinks




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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/8/2006 12:09:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tallyho!


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ORIGINAL: Raverdave
Also correct, except that I was operating under the assumption that Honda having taken Nomuea would next move onto NZ. There was no warning that Honda (and who would have expected it?) would shift his interest towards Australia. Granted I would have expected it AFTER NZ had fallen but this was not the case.


Hey mate, no criticism intended. I didn't see your post 'til after I'd sent mine.
In your shoes I would have made the same judgement and ended up just as scr*wed
Thats what makes this game so engrossing. If war was so predictable and military strategy infallible - then war would be redundant.


No worries mate.


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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/8/2006 12:46:28 AM   
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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/8/2006 4:51:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sod off ratbrain !  The amount of damage that you have done to me and you have the front to ask for a group hug?   I am bleeding in the Marshalls  BLEEDING I say !  Three Divisions will be wiped off the US OOB

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/8/2006 6:42:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		C'mon Raver... They're only Yanks. Plenty more where those came from...

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/8/2006 11:15:09 AM   
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Sod off ratbrain !  The amount of damage that you have done to me and you have the front to ask for a group hug?   I am bleeding in the Marshalls  BLEEDING I say !  Three Divisions will be wiped off the US OOB


I choose to disbelive that you sent whole 3 divisions to the invasion. Therefore, they will be back in '43 to be"wiped out" again. And no need to sob off each other
So sob off

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RE: Honda's folly. - 12/8/2006 11:44:26 AM   
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C'mon Raver... They're only Yanks. Plenty more where those came from...



Well yes they might only be "Yanks" but d@mit, they are MY yanks !

(There speaks a true AFBC member!)

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