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ORIGINAL: boggyjr

Well, ex-Stampeder Jeff Garcia managed to beat New York today. Do you think he will replace McNabb next year, or get traded to another lousy team like Detroit or Cleveland a few years ago?

Wow, I was thinking the exact same thing, during his great game, I wonder how many others were thinking the same? I do not expect him to get The Eagles starting job; thus I also expect him to leave, as a free-agent. Trading in The NFL is always very tough, because of Salary Cap.

dreamtheatervt,

I asked myself that exact question while watching him do great against NY Giants; but I came up with that it was not the system, but instead it was the quality of players. Detroit's or Cleveland's (then) flat-out OLs sucked, no WR was developing into what WRs Williams and Furree (sp?) are and RBs were not that good. Like any other player, I think he requires NFL quality players around him. Now, if he asks for a lot of money, I would steer away from him. Also, Eagles usually do not pay a lot of money for backup QBs; the last time they did McMahn (sp?, Detriot's QB few years back) killed them.

Firebirds,

Easy, I take money that makes me comfortable, not too little or not too much and play with whatever system, but as best Franchise (judged from ownership to Players) I can. If I am not happy where I work, Then no amount of money will make it better.

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ORIGINAL: JasonninTN

The Eagles would be crazy to let Garcia go when they have no true idea of when McNabb is going to be fully recovered. Not to mention the fact that he's playing his best football in 5 years and carried them into the playoffs when nobody thought they had a chance. If they have to make him the highest paid backup QB in the league it still would be in their best interest to do so.

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ORIGINAL: CFL_FAN_7

I say Garcia can't replace McNabb, hes no were near McNabbs calibur (never was), but he makes a nice back-up with his conservative playstyle and veteran experience. McNabb is the best in the league.

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ORIGINAL: CFL_FAN_7

I said Garcia had experience, but he is conversative not extremly though.

Garcia's best years in SF, with good WRs (T.O. included). http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/146325

Year Team . G GS Att Comp Pct Yds . YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate

1999 49ers 13 10 375 225 60.0 2544 6.78 62 11 11 28 07 77.9
2000 49ers 16 16 561 355 63.3 4278 7.63 69 31 10 59 09 97.6
2001 49ers 16 16 504 316 62.7 3538 7.02 61 32 12 40 10 94.8

McNabb's First-Three Years, http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133361

Year Team . G GS Att Comp Pct Yds . YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate

1999 Eagles 12 06 216 106 49.1 0948 4.39 63 08 07 07 01 60.1
2000 Eagles 16 16 569 330 58.0 3365 5.91 70 21 13 45 05 77.8
2001 Eagles 16 16 493 285 57.8 3233 6.56 64 25 12 44 09 84.3
2003 Eagles 16 16 478 275 57.5 3216 6.73 59 16 11 44 09 79.6
2004 Eagles 15 15 469 300 64.0 3875 8.26 80 31 08 50 20 104.7
2005 Eagles 09 09 357 211 59.1 2507 7.02 91 16 09 27 06 85.0

Owen's Years with both QBs, http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1290

1999 49ers. 14 14 060 0754 12.6 36 04 12 0 36
2000 49ers. 14 13 097 1451 15.0 69 13 23 5 65
2001 49ers. 16 16 093 1412 15.2 60 16 21 6 70
2002 49ers. 14 14 100 1300 13.0 76 13 17 5 61
2003 49ers. 15 15 080 1102 13.8 75 09 15 4 55
2004 Eagles 14 14 077 1200 15.6 59 14 20 9 51
2005 Eagles 07 07 047 0763 16.2 91 06 10 4 32

My first-point is McNabb also a conservative QB? Because as you clearly see they entered the same time and like McNabb Garcia has thrown a lot of INTs, but more than McNabb in TDs and completition %; not a sign of a conservative QB. Neither Garcia or McNabb are conservative QBs.

Manning's First-Three Years,

Year Team . G GS Att Comp Pct Yds . YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate

1998 Colts 16 16 575 326 56.7 3739 6.50 78 26 28 42 08 71.2
1999 Colts 16 16 533 331 62.1 4135 7.76 80 26 15 56 11 90.7
2000 Colts 16 16 571 357 62.5 4413 7.73 78 33 15 51 08 94.7

Yes, Marvin Harrison (2000 Colts 16 16 102 1413 13.9 78 14 16 4 70) was there; however, Reggie Wayne was not yet drafted by Indianapolis Colts.

My second-point is Manning had a better season, in '2000; not just because of his receiving core and OL was better, yet as you claim (I think you are right) by popularity VOTING McNabb was 2nd to Marshall Faulk for MVP. The biggest problem with awards is that they are based on popularity. By the way this is just one-unbelieveable player in '2000, I have not even gone through all the great players in '2000.

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i'm afraid you're incorrect...

McNabb wasn't a Bad passer, he was a run first Qb, It's hard to be successful passing with one of the worst recieving cores in NFL history, but in '04 he got T.O (but he was stupid enough to leave) someone who he could trust to catch a pass(other than westbrook), then L.J smith and Reggied Brown were good last season, then this season he had Dante Stallworth, but he got injured a lot. He has always shown himself to be a very good passer.

*If he was a bad passser he wouldn't have:

He came 2nd in Mvp voting in 2000, to Marshall Faulk.

Named 2000 NFL Player of the Year by CBS Radio and the Terry (Bradshaw) Awards on Fox Sports and was named to the All-Madden team.

first quarterback in league history to throw over 30 touchdowns (31) and less than 10 interceptions (8) in a single season.

  

My Third-Point, showing why your claim he was not a bad passing QB, at first, is wrong.

Coy Detmer's numbers, http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1749

Year Team . G GS Att Comp Pct Yds . YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate

1997 Eagles 00 0 000 -------------------------------
1998 Eagles 08 5 181 97 53.6 1011 5.59 61 5 5 12 3 67.7
1999 Eagles 01 1 029 10 34.5 0181 6.24 50 3 2 04 2 62.6
2000 Eagles 16 0 001 00 00.0 0000 0.00 00 0 1 00 0 00.0
2001 Eagles 16 0 014 05 35.7 0051 3.64 16 0 1 00 0 17.3
2002 Eagles 14 1 028 19 67.9 0224 8.00 37 2 0 05 0 115.8
2003 Eagles 16 0 005 03 60.0 0032 6.40 15 0 0 00 0 78.8
2004 Eagles 16 1 040 18 45.0 0207 5.18 31 0 2 05 0 40.3
2005 Eagles 16 0 056 32 57.1 0238 4.25 24 0 3 01 0 45.1
2006 Eagles 00 0 000 -------------------------------


A.J. Feeley's Numbers, http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235056

Year Team ... G GS Att Comp Pct Yds . YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate

2001 Eagles . 01 00 014 010 71.4 0143 10.21 27 02 01 02 00 114.0
2002 Eagles . 06 05 154 086 55.8 1011 06.56 53 06 05 15 03 75.4
2003 Eagles . 00 00 000 000 -----------------------
2004 Dolphins 11 08 356 191 53.7 1893 05.32 38 11 15 15 00 61.7
2005 Chargers 00 00 000 000 -----------------------
2006 Eagles . 02 00 038 026 68.4 0342 09.00 89 03 00 03 01 122.9

Notice that every less than average NFL passing (but smart) QB that goes through The Eagle's -complex- West Coast Offense does good, by the way Miami Dolphins have no so called west coast offense, but a lot better WR core than Eagles did than.

I can spend a ton of time getting all former SF's less than average NFL passing QBs (after Steve Young, I can make an arguement against him to) that did even better, but do I really need to do that?

The West Coast Offense is a QB system, makes every QB appear a lot better than they really are; unlike any other system that allows for a ton passing, but does not guarrantee a ton of short and easy passes.

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IN CFB he a good passer:

Big East Records

1st - touchdown passes (77)

1st - touchdowns responsible for (96)

1st - passing yards (8,389)

1st - total offensive yards (9,950)

1st - total offensive plays (1,403)

Syracuse University Records

1st - total yards per game (221.1)

1st - passing efficiency (155.1)

1st - yards per attempt (9.1)

My fourth-point is THE BIGEAST! YOU ARE USING THE BIGEAST RECORDS, LOL! Now I know Univ. of Miami played in and won BS NCs while in The BisEast, but over all of Univ. of Miami's great QBs which ones played in The BigEast? 1-Ken Dorsey (probably the best ever); yet Univ. of Miami ran the ball more than passed it (probably because they had the best combination RBs ever). Even more on that what great passing BigEast QB has there been? I give you a week, to think about this, and you will probably still have nothing worth writing home about. All I remember about McNabb is Option run, Option pass and many roll out passes. By the way one of the things first-three years McNabb had to work on was pocket passing.

I will say once and million times, with out blinking an eye, the option is an outdate offense that puts QBs at risk for being Busts in The NFL, because unless they have arms (Nebraska's Ex-QB Crouch and Hiesman Trophy, LOL) are smart, really willing to work to become pass first QBs and not super running stick figures (Michael Vick, anyone) they will never succeed when is truely a profession.

Hey no hard my way, friend, just shocked after all I am only talking about his first-three years.



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Wow, I was thinking the exact same thing, during his great game, I wonder how many others were thinking the same? I do not expect him to get The Eagles starting job; thus I also expect him to leave, as a free-agent. Trading in The NFL is always very tough, because of Salary Cap.

dreamtheatervt,

I asked myself that exact question while watching him do great against NY Giants; but I came up with that it was not the system, but instead it was the quality of players.

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ORIGINAL: CFL_FAN_7
I say Garcia can't replace McNabb, hes no were near McNabbs calibur (never was), but he makes a nice back-up with his conservative playstyle and veteran experience. McNabb is the best in the league.