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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/7/2007 1:52:27 AM   
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Alright, the update. Grafiks done except for a couple odd-balls. Sample below. I'll post the following on the main forum and on El Cid's sub forum. This is all I need for closure.

The Type-1 landing ship is clearly the Matsu APD conversion, but I cannot find a suitable reference to a Type-ES LST. Is this the Type-Ha??



The Type-1 landing ship was a special built fast transport for supply of isolated garrisons. Do not know if it's design is based on the Matsu. Ships were numbered, beginning with T-1.
Good data at: http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?language=&stat=JAP&typ=LS&trida=T+1

The Type ES was the first Japanese LST. The first two were originally Army ships and were named Koryu Maru and Banryu Maru. Taken over by the Navy and more built, names changed to SS-n. Data on them at the above link, too.



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Also, what is the Taijo Torakku (AG); obviously a barge of some kind, but a description would be very nice.



These were the type SD Steel Sea Trucks. See N583-Far Eastern Small Craft, page 86. CHS details came from somewhere else (another team member did the research) but memory is the second thing to go.

These were actually small merchant men, were named (with Maru suffix) and there were a lot of them. They were made into AG in CHS so they could respawn and 25 or so numbered ships used (slot limitations).




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The Choyo Maru is listed as an AP, with an old CHS grafik of a near seas ferry? I can find 2 Choyo’s, and both are cargo vessels. Wtfo??



Memory fails on this one. I guess there is an outside chance it could be a mistreeek.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/7/2007 10:04:47 AM   
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Alright, the update. Grafiks done except for a couple odd-balls. Sample below. I'll post the following on the main forum and on El Cid's sub forum. This is all I need for closure.

The Type-1 landing ship is clearly the Matsu APD conversion, but I cannot find a suitable reference to a Type-ES LST. Is this the Type-Ha??

Also, what is the Taijo Torakku (AG); obviously a barge of some kind, but a description would be very nice.

The Choyo Maru is listed as an AP, with an old CHS grafik of a near seas ferry? I can find 2 Choyo’s, and both are cargo vessels. Wtfo??

Any help is vastly appreciated. A grafik is perfect; an official ijn designation is just as good. For the Choyo, any reference to a similar class member is fine; her builder and launch year is also good; if none of the above, then her operating company. For our Japanese members, you can send in either Kanji or Katakana.

I want every Japanese ship image to adequately reflect the vessel for which she is named. Call it due respect for a formidable adversary, now a fast friend. Responses can also be PM’d or sent to my email at jw.eldredge@cox.net Thank you.






I have a pic of the type T-1 APD, but it's not scaled. I'll rescale it if no-one has a better version to use.




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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/7/2007 11:19:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JWE

Alright, the update. Grafiks done except for a couple odd-balls. Sample below. I'll post the following on the main forum and on El Cid's sub forum. This is all I need for closure.

The Type-1 landing ship is clearly the Matsu APD conversion, but I cannot find a suitable reference to a Type-ES LST. Is this the Type-Ha??

Also, what is the Taijo Torakku (AG); obviously a barge of some kind, but a description would be very nice.

The Choyo Maru is listed as an AP, with an old CHS grafik of a near seas ferry? I can find 2 Choyo’s, and both are cargo vessels. Wtfo??

Any help is vastly appreciated. A grafik is perfect; an official ijn designation is just as good. For the Choyo, any reference to a similar class member is fine; her builder and launch year is also good; if none of the above, then her operating company. For our Japanese members, you can send in either Kanji or Katakana.

I want every Japanese ship image to adequately reflect the vessel for which she is named. Call it due respect for a formidable adversary, now a fast friend. Responses can also be PM’d or sent to my email at jw.eldredge@cox.net Thank you.




I think this might help also for the Japanese Amphib craft:
http://www.akdreemer.com/ahs/Library/LST-APD-LC-JAP.pdf

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/7/2007 12:27:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		is this latest template for stock or is it CHS, sorry to ask, i am away from my main PC where the new updates have been downloaded to

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/7/2007 8:05:40 PM   
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I think this might help also for the Japanese Amphib craft:
http://www.akdreemer.com/ahs/Library/LST-APD-LC-JAP.pdf



It does. Thanks. I knew about the T-1 and have a copy of the design drawings (apparently same as in the article). I was confused about who was properly what, till I got Don Bowens response above. Got everything wired now. Your article makes interesting reading. Thank you very much for the file.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/8/2007 3:12:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK then, finished. The T-1 is indeed the Matsu hull with boiler room #1 removed to make room for troops, and the stern cut down; hosts 4 landing craft off stern. The Type-ES, I decided to do as a nominal Type-HA. For the Keijo Torakku, I used the Type-E, since that was the most ubiquitous. Choyo Maru is off a 290' engines aft hull that was fairly common; noted both in Takao and Manila in '44 by US Recon. Samples below.

Now for the Side'n and Shil'n

JWE




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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/8/2007 6:16:42 AM   
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OK then, finished. The T-1 is indeed the Matsu hull with boiler room #1 removed to make room for troops, and the stern cut down; hosts 4 landing craft off stern. The Type-ES, I decided to do as a nominal Type-HA. For the Keijo Torakku, I used the Type-E, since that was the most ubiquitous. Choyo Maru is off a 290' engines aft hull that was fairly common; noted both in Takao and Manila in '44 by US Recon. Samples below.

Now for the Side'n and Shil'n

JWE






Very nice work, indeed, JWE!

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/9/2007 12:11:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, here they are; finally finished. This is CHS Panel 2. Sides and Shils have been sent to Monsieur le Spooky. The package includes "all" of the Japanese art, Stock is the numbers up to 0165, CHS is everything beyond. Only one thing needs to be done to the db for them both to play together. Instructions in the top of the zip folder.

JWE




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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/9/2007 3:02:14 AM   
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Well, here they are; finally finished. This is CHS Panel 2. Sides and Shils have been sent to Monsieur le Spooky. The package includes "all" of the Japanese art, Stock is the numbers up to 0165, CHS is everything beyond. Only one thing needs to be done to the db for them both to play together. Instructions in the top of the zip folder.

JWE





Fantastic! Cant wait!

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 2:44:36 AM   
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Nice find Les.

I've probably never had this problem because I don't delete the entire folder content.
Always overwrite it.

Never thought of that; I overwrite too. Okey dokey, I'll put a bogus '0000' in all subsequent folders; and I'll remember this little glitch. Thanks, Les.


Nice catch Lesbaker!!

Can someone record this tip for posterity. Where would it be best kept? FAQ, Wiki, sticky thread etc...


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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 6:41:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, are the CHS Allied and Japanese sets on Spooky's site now?

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 8:00:02 AM   
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Not yet.....

(I think it is only Japanese side art at this stage.)

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 3:12:59 PM   
Halsey

 

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Status: offline 		Spooky has kindly posted my composite IJN/Allied ship graphics for CHS.

This download is for detailed and semi scaled players.
It is the same one that Dixie has also posted.

Feel free to add your own favorites.

< Message edited by Halsey -- 3/10/2007 3:30:28 PM >

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 6:03:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you and excellent once again, the historical attention to detail shines through the art. Top stuff!

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 6:18:05 PM   
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Thank you and excellent once again, the historical attention to detail shines through the art. Top stuff!


Thank you very much. BTW it's now up on Spooky's site.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 6:27:13 PM   
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Thanks, JWE and all. We really appreciate your work and love the results!



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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 9:02:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a little confused. So, what constitutes the CHS standardized art? I see one by JWE for Japan and I see another for Allies and Japan by Halsey.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 9:29:10 PM   
Halsey

 

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Status: offline 		JWE's are scaled and mine are from combined artists.

Though on many, the scale is not that far off.
The smaller ships, in some cases are larger, and show off more detail.
Subs are full hulled, and some are reworked.

My composite graphics seem more detailed in some respect, and are not all scaled.


It is a combined listing of the contributors.

TomLabel
BigB
Fremen
Dixie
JWE
Others

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 9:31:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Basically, take a look and use the ones you want. The JWE ones called "standard" are standard only in that all the ships and backgrounds have a similar flavor, similar contrast ratios, and lightened areas disposed to highlight the ship designs. It's sorta like a baseline set where everything plays together.

The ships are all relatively scaled together, to a specific formula, and have the same contrast ratios, color saturation, V, gamma, and artistic style. The idea is to provide a certain degree of uniformity across all of the ships on a particular side (and across both sides), in image display, kinda like how Matrix did it originally, but with hopefully more appealing images. Standard also in that the original customers (Mike Wood etc ..) wished to have the images colored in a way that the ship detail is clearly visible, thus no dazzle, whose function is to destroy that detail.

The "standard" art is provided with multiple panels of raw images on blank backgrounds, so that they may be combined with different backgrounds, recolored with various camouflage patterns, and generally modified an any way desirable to a user. The ships in the panels are identified by name and by bit map number, and the package includes a bit map to ship class correlation table, so that substitutions of, for example, Fremen's designs, or TomLabel's, or BigB's, with all the camo bells & whistles, can be easily done.

Halsey has (correct me if I'm wrong here) put together a collection of art drawn from various sources. Halsey's collections include much of the earlier work, and some more recent, of many of the contributors to the "std" project, as well as art from many other sources. The "std" package is organized so as to ease mixin and matchin between ships, no matter where they come from, depending on your personal preferences as to image display characteristics.

Hope this clears up any confusion.

JWE

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 9:37:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the responses guys. John, are you going to release an all JWE CHS set for Allies as well?

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 9:39:59 PM   
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JWE is correct.

I purposely go through every new graphic download, and overwrite what I consider cool.
My own personal db is honed to my preferences.

The main difference that you will find in my DL, is that I have EVERY slot filled.

You'll notice in mine that there are replicated graphics for later date arrival of ships.
JWE's doesn't seem to have the duplication.
Many of the Allies classes have duplicate bitmaps, some as many as three.



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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 9:50:17 PM   
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JWE is correct.

I purposely go through every new graphic download, and overwrite what I consider cool.
My own personal db is honed to my preferences.

The main difference that you will find in my DL, is that I have EVERY slot filled.

You'll notice in mine that there are replicated graphics for later date arrival of ships.
JWE's doesn't seem to have the duplication.
Many of the Allies classes have duplicate bitmaps, some as many as three.



I've done similar with my db, later ships usually have a different paint/camo scheme or refit look, particularly the Allies.

I've posted a preview of 2 new camo sets for the RN and USN below. Before they get commited to the 'net, comments etc are welcome (encouraged?) The intention is to post them on a standard background, but if it's wanted I can host a blank set as well with various backgrounds.


The Royal Navy


The US Navy

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 10:02:35 PM   
Halsey

 

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Maybe drop the aerials on the Essex though.
Omaha is very cool.
I always liked the Atlantic camo.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/10/2007 10:08:12 PM   
JWE

 

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JWE is correct.

I purposely go through every new graphic download, and overwrite what I consider cool.
My own personal db is honed to my preferences.

The main difference that you will find in my DL, is that I have EVERY slot filled.

You'll notice in mine that there are replicated graphics for later date arrival of ships.
JWE's doesn't seem to have the duplication.
Many of the Allies classes have duplicate bitmaps, some as many as three.




Yes, quite right. Although the packages adress all the ships called out in the Stock scenario database and the CHS Japanese database, neither the stock scenarios nor the Japanese CHS databases provide for class upgrade images, except in certain cases for Japan.

Probably why the task of developing a 'standard' Allied CHS set will be so time consuming. I found that the Stock art set drops into CHS, with only 4 images requiring renumbering. Unfortunately, this is a only minor subset of the entire Allied CHS images. I could add the additional APs, AKs, Aux, from my own collection (already been scaled to the current formula and saturation and gamma adjusted), but this would still leave a few classes unrepresented, as well as not addressing all the DD, CL, CA, BB & CV upgrade images in the 400 series of numbers.

I may go ahead and do that collection, but it will still be missing much of the upgrade/late arrival class images. All-in-all, not too daunting a task, but necessarily an incomplete one.

JWE

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/11/2007 12:36:24 AM   
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..but this would still leave a few classes unrepresented, as well as not addressing all the DD, CL, CA, BB & CV upgrade images in the 400 series of numbers...I may go ahead and do that collection, but it will still be missing much of the upgrade/late arrival class images. All-in-all, not too daunting a task, but necessarily an incomplete one.


In a fit of unforgiveable alliteration, perhaps a closely coordinated Collective can cordially coalesce on such an endeavor?

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/11/2007 1:15:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Only Subchaser's old scenario from 18 months ago uses every upgrade slot.
CHS only replaces some, mostly CA/CL's, DD's, SS's and some escorts.

So quite a few are empty bitmaps for the CHS.
Even though the bitmaps show upgraded ships.

It would take a complete modification of CHS to include all upgrade bitmaps.
A lot of work.


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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/11/2007 1:17:47 AM   
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Only Subchaser's old scenario from 18 months ago uses every upgrade slot.
CHS only replaces some, mostly CA/CL's, DD's, SS's and some escorts.

So quite a few are empty bitmaps for the CHS.
Even though the bitmaps show upgraded ships.

It would take a complete modification of CHS to include all upgrade bitmaps.
A lot of work.



I thought that CHS had 'used up' all the available artwork spaces?

EDIT: I've had a quick play around and it hasn't. How many sides can the game support? I'm up to 484 now, with some plans in the pipeline.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/11/2007 1:22:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. CV's and some BB bitmaps are redundant.

Some of the CA/CL and DD/SS bitmaps are for later arriving ships.
Only a few will actually show an upgrade graphics change.

Such as ships that change classes on an upgrade.

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/11/2007 4:03:36 AM   
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Only Subchaser's old scenario from 18 months ago uses every upgrade slot.
CHS only replaces some, mostly CA/CL's, DD's, SS's and some escorts.

So quite a few are empty bitmaps for the CHS.
Even though the bitmaps show upgraded ships.

It would take a complete modification of CHS to include all upgrade bitmaps.
A lot of work.


I pretty much came to the same conclusion as you Halsey. In order to make a good CHS set, it would require substantial revamping of the database; remove duplications, correct errors, move a lot of ships into correct classes, as well as making sure the upgrade bitmaps are adequate; indeed, a lot of work

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RE: Standardized Artwork Set - 3/12/2007 12:15:41 AM   
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I could add the additional APs, AKs, Aux, from my own collection (already been scaled to the current formula and saturation and gamma adjusted),

I may go ahead and do that collection, but it will still be missing much of the upgrade/late arrival class images. All-in-all, not too daunting a task, but necessarily an incomplete one.


Yes, Yes , please do if it wouldn't be too much trouble. Many of us have their own personel mods that may or may not be as detailed as CHS but have many more ships than the Standard set. Even just posting any additional ships you may have at the same scale and style would be greatly appreciated. I think your combined work is excellent and I am greatful for all your hard work and efforts.

Regards

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