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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/24/2007 3:07:25 PM   
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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/24/2007 3:14:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well done!!! Now that is the way to go, we just need to have a switch, so everybody can install what he likes. Perhaps I'm wishing for too much but would be nice to have the larger ships in different state of their upgrades as well, as stated above.

Very nice again!!!


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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/24/2007 4:24:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		and for planes? new ideas or something?

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/24/2007 5:48:38 PM   
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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/25/2007 2:39:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


Gary care to join the party?


Thanks B, but I could never keep up with you, JWE, TOMLABEL or Cathartes in either quality or quantity. I just do a few things here and there as I need them or feel inspired to do them. The rest of my time I'm at work pulling my hair out.

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/25/2007 6:40:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


Gary care to join the party?


Thanks B, but I could never keep up with you, JWE, TOMLABEL or Cathartes in either quality or quantity. I just do a few things here and there as I need them or feel inspired to do them. The rest of my time I'm at work pulling my hair out.

That's fine... but you sell yourself short my friend.

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/25/2007 11:39:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		In a (sort of) continuation of the camo vs grey discussion, what colour are the Australia class ships going to be? From mid 42 Australia, Shropshire (and Hobart) were painted in 'Chicago' blue, Canberra may also have worn this scheme.

1) Plain grey
2) Two tone scheme: 1941-post Coral Sea
3) Chicago blue

**EDIT: I was afraid the blue would be too much. Here's an edited version of the blue Australia for anyone who's interested





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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/25/2007 11:47:01 PM   
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1) Prefer. Shows most detail.

2) For larger ships, ok. For smaller ships, detail lost.

3) All detail lost all the time. Will not use set, if done this way.

My thoughts...

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

In a (sort of) continuation of the camo vs grey discussion, what colour are the Australia class ships going to be? From mid 42 Australia, Shropshire (and Hobart) were painted in 'Chicago' blue, Canberra may also have worn this scheme.

1) Plain grey
2) Two tone scheme: 1941-post Coral Sea
3) Chicago blue




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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 12:25:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		In this game we all try to be as accurate as posibble with technical data, orders of battle, names.....and why not with paint schemes?

Is someone coordinating something? and what happens with planes?(is the only thing i can help)

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 2:12:57 AM   
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Am speaking as player in this thread, not programmer or game designer.

Size of art. Were the bitmaps three or four hundred feet long, any paint scheme would look nice. But, with tiny bitmaps, player might like to see turrets, deckhouses and other details (so he will know what ships looks like). Silhouette forms do not tell much about ship and look 2D.

Hope some one coordinating. Maybe fellow who started thread, Don Bowen. No idea about planes.

Bye...

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ORIGINAL: Beren

In this game we all try to be as accurate as possible with technical data, orders of battle, names.....and why not with paint schemes?

Is someone coordinating something? and what happens with planes?(is the only thing i can help)



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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 2:49:30 AM   
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I guess I am indeed coordinating this thread - considerably hampered by the fact that I have no talent.

Work is progressing on both a standardized GRAY ship set and an aircraft set with better scaling. First for stock, then for CHS, then on....

There is some shifting of scale for smaller ships to preserve detail but it is uniform so ships will look proper next to each other. A PT will be a little larger in relation but will still be smaller than a SC, etc.

And don't worry, the guys doing this work have talent - lots of it!

Camo and other "hard to see" paint schemes have not been included - yet. There are a number of artists who prefer camo and I suspect that an alternate set will be available soon after the gray one. Matrix was very wise to externalize the artwork so everyone can have what they want.

Me, I want gray, scaled, and easy on poor old eyes that have spent too many decades looking into computer terminals.

Don

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 3:15:15 AM   
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Oh well, never mind. Commonwealth & French destroyers. Here goes:







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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 3:58:58 AM   
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Size of art. Were the bitmaps three or four hundred feet long, any paint scheme would look nice.


Another thing on the list for WITP 2 : Four hundred foot long bitmaps for each ship!!

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 4:04:44 AM   
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Size of art. Were the bitmaps three or four hundred feet long, any paint scheme would look nice.


Another thing on the list for WITP 2 : Four hundred foot long bitmaps for each ship!!


Best idea I've heard yet!

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 4:05:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dixie

GRAY? Boring

Oh well, never mind. Commonwealth & French destroyers. Here goes:








Very nice, Dixie!

Are these posted on your site?

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 5:50:05 AM   
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A great deal of info and desires have passed by, but I thought I would clarify what form the project is taking. Yes, the ships are gray; different hues, and with weathering & rust, but basically gray. Ships were painted in many differnt color schemes over their careers, so who is to say which one is "historically accurate".

Many artists will be represented, however all of the images will have generally consistent saturation, hue, and brightness values; this means I have darkened mine somewhat, lightened BigB's somewhat, alpha blended some bluish to mine, you get the picture.

The idea is to make a self consistent set.

The package will have every ship on a similar background (4 to 5 variants to avoid being boring), numbered correctly, shils, and in their appropriate folders; simple subfolder replacement. The package will also include a complete set of blank pallettes like the one below. If you want cammo, get Paint.net (its free) and do a simple alpha blend (an extensive internet tutorial comes with). You want Chicago blue, well then, overlay Chicago blue. That is the whole point in providing the blanks as tools.

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 8:16:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where can we get these Dixie ;-)! I hope you will do the rest as well ;-) and not only RN ships. If you like I can send you my basic stuff for my Saratoga, so you can mod it to size.

JWE,

ships did not change camo that often, not to mention bot larger allied navies mostly used 3-4 patterns (as well as the japs who used 3-4 grey tone paintings), so the solution is to make a yearly set, like the a/c set by Cathartes, and then change it whenever it is required.

Cheers

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 9:47:21 AM   
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Outstanding. Exactly what some of us wanted and hoped you folk would do. Now, off to work on "Carrier Force".

Will check back in a week or two...

Michael Wood

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ORIGINAL: JWE
...simple subfolder replacement...


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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 11:37:58 AM   
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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 2:18:21 PM   
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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 2:38:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mike, look at fremen´s signature, what details are we losing in those ships¿?

I repeat again, and the planes?

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 3:21:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a few cruisers, camo for those who want it, and grey for those who don't. If I get time then they'll be on my website later.




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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 7:47:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very very nice Dixie!!!! After all it seems everybody is pleased ;-)!!!

I hope you are willing to do all the ships and if so perhaps a few camo/upgrade variants for the larger ships...

Thanks for your efforts!


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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 7:52:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		All of the 'properly' scaled Royal NAvy cruisers can be downloaded from the page below:

http://martinalcock.powweb.com/rncruiser.htm

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/26/2007 7:54:27 PM   
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Mike, look at fremen´s signature, what details are we losing in those ships¿?

I repeat again, and the planes?


Anyone interested in contributing to the plane project PM me with your personal email.

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/27/2007 1:18:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the latest project update. Panel 2 is finished. Sample below. The missing numbers are subs and landing craft. We are discussing scaling on these and should have them finished soon.

All that is left are the capital warships (I include all the CL classes in this). After the Allies, the Japanese. This should also be fairly quick, since we have muck IJN material already.

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RE: Gray vs Camo - 1/27/2007 1:48:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		They look fantastic, great work

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USS Asheville - 1/27/2007 5:36:41 AM   
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Really nice work. Here is photograph of PG-21 Asheville.

Bye...

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RE: USS Isabel - 1/27/2007 5:41:04 AM   
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For future reference, here is the PY-10 Isabel.

Bye...

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RE: USS Isabel - 1/27/2007 5:44:34 AM   
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Hello...

For future reference, here is the PY-10 Isabel.

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Just for the record, I already did a ship side for the Isabel in WWII - she didn't look like that by then - I'll find it and turn it in.

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