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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/25/2007 11:18:38 PM

Mike Solli

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You mean it's 1%?? I always thought it was 5%. *Smacks self*

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/25/2007 11:24:20 PM

Mike Solli

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You're right, Tadpub. It's 1% per day for a port and 5% per day for a shallow hex.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/25/2007 11:27:07 PM

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At 1% per day, it's over 600 days to get from 5000 to under 50.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/25/2007 11:36:20 PM

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You mean it's 1%??� I always thought it was 5%.� *Smacks self*

Now that the self abuse is over, yes Virginia, it's 1% at a friendly base with at least a lvl 1 port; any other shallow water is the 5% degradation rate, like when you lay a field on someone elses doorstep.

Regarding the main question of the thread; if using this particular mod, I would bypass the base, and come back to it 2 months down the road; though, as I seem to recall, you are having problems covering your shipping in this version.....so, I guess I don't know what I would do here. Sorry Wobs.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/26/2007 12:06:25 AM

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Actually it isnt hard at all, if you have patience. You have to perform several steps:

1) Neutralize the CD guns. How? Air bombardment of port.

2) Continue to neutralize the CD guns with step 1 and use a BB bombardment (turn escorts fire off) force

3) Sweep mines continuing steps 1 and 2 while doing so

4) after mines are swept, land the troops

This process can take a week or more depending on the numbers of shore guns / mines. But it is reasonably safe as long as you have air surpremacy.

The air supremacy is probably key. The only place the US invaded without air supremacy was Guadalcanal, and that was--ah--educational. The air supremacy also means the minefields wither away.

See his original post - in this mod, airpower is sorta nerfed - and damaging the CD units by air is problematic.

It looks like he's playing 159. I play it, too, because it's more realistic than the stock game. The CDs are also more realistic than you think--that was one of the reasons we didn't go into Rabaul or Truk--and they were hard to take out with air.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/26/2007 10:38:49 AM

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i will be found sarcastic but allies need to make few bombardment TFs with 1 dms in each - it offers 100% immunization to capitals ,clears mine and CD guns
you can also make a super MSW force with few capitals in surface combat TF / CD will not shoot at them / and attach as many dms as you have -you will be amazed how many mines are cleared
it is obvious bug
like many more .....

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/26/2007 11:35:40 AM

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i will be found sarcastic but allies need to make few bombardment TFs with 1 dms in each - it offers 100% immunization to capitals ,clears mine� and CD guns
you can also make a super MSW force with few capitals in surface combat TF / CD will not shoot at them / and attach as many dms as you have -you will be amazed how many mines are cleared
it is obvious bug
like many more .....

I've heard that the DMs were intended as offensive or antisubmarine minelayers. The DMSs were intended to work with the fleet, clearing mines to protect the battleships. Thus a bombardment TF with DMSs is quite realistic.

The bird-class MSWs the USN has at the start were converted to ocean-going tugs in 1942.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/26/2007 4:03:08 PM

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I just invaded Saipan and didn't lose a single AP to CD's. Putting the old BB's and some CA's on close support (i.e. within the invasion TF(s) really made the difference.

Too bad the initial assault stalled at Fort level 2. MUST BE THE GAME'S FAULT!!!!! MY STRATEGY WAS FLAWLESSS.....CURSE U RROBERSON......COME OUT WITH YOUR CARRIERS AND DIE LIKE A MAN.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/26/2007 4:18:07 PM

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/30/2007 5:46:45 PM

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Check out this for a CD/Minefield combo. Actually fairly happy though since i've lost 30 x MSW, 15 x LCI/LST BUT my troops are ashore and in good condition:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/28/44

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TF 1053 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

6171 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Gladstone, Shell hits 134, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Geelong, Shell hits 137, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Freemantle, Shell hits 182, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Echuca, Shell hits 180, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Dubbo, Shell hits 137, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Cowra, Shell hits 209, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Cootamundra, Shell hits 146, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Cessnock, Shell hits 124, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Castlemaine, Shell hits 140, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Cairns, Shell hits 159, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bundaberg, Shell hits 120, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bunbury, Shell hits 277, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bowen, Shell hits 200, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Benalla, Shell hits 168, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Ballarat, Shell hits 156, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Arnidale, Shell hits 225, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Ararat, Shell hits 74, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Pirie, Shell hits 190, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tamworth, Shell hits 180, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Kalgoorlie, Shell hits 145, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Southard, Shell hits 131, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-448, Mine hits 14, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
146 casualties reported

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TF 1091 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

Allied Ships
DE Sederstrom
DE Reynolds
DE Manlove
AK Leonis, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Megrez, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Martin
DE Lovering
AK Phobos, Mine hits 1, on fire
DE Sanders, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Lyman
AK Menkar, Mine hits 1, on fire
DE Mitchell
AK Tabinta, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Peter Lassen, Mine hits 1
AK Alkes, Mine hits 1, on fire

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TF 1139 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

Allied Ships
DD Picking
DD O'Bannon, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Mullany
DD Nicholas
DD Miller
DD McKee
DD William Porter, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Owen
DD Newcomb

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TF 1141 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

Allied Ships
DD Rowe
DD Pringle
DD Halsey Powell
DD Abner Read
DD Prichett, Mine hits 1
DD Stephen Potter
DD Radford
DD Porterfield
BB Indiana, Mine hits 1
DD Schroeder, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Remey
BB Washington, Mine hits 1
CL Mobile, Mine hits 1

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TF 1146 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

7202 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Courtenay, Shell hits 179, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Igonish, Shell hits 110, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Canso, Shell hits 193, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bayfield, Shell hits 173, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Quatsino, Shell hits 191, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Kingfisher, Shell hits 161, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tanager, Shell hits 122, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Lark, Shell hits 166, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tern, Shell hits 128, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Rail, Shell hits 141, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Buoyant, Shell hits 126, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Scuffle, Shell hits 64, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Salute, Shell hits 81, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Scout, Shell hits 120, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Velocity, Shell hits 128, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tumult, Shell hits 74, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Champion, Shell hits 130, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Warrnambool, Shell hits 103, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Townsville, Shell hits 148, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Toowoomba, Shell hits 143, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Strahan, Shell hits 175, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Stawell, Shell hits 139, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Shepparton, Shell hits 167, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Rockhampton, Shell hits 64, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Mildura, Shell hits 138, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Lithgow, Shell hits 120, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Lismore, Shell hits 187, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Hopkins, Shell hits 174, on fire, heavy damage
AP Empire Pride, Mine hits 14, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
286 casualties reported

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TF 1190 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

Allied Ships
AGC Mount Olympus, Mine hits 1
AGC Rocky Mount, Mine hits 2, on fire

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
PT Gyoraitei #1, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT Gyoraitei #2, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT Gyoraitei #3, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD McKee
DD Miller
DD Morrison
DD Mullany
DD Newcomb
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon, on fire
DD Owen
DD Picking
DD William Porter, on fire

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Naval bombardment of Saipan, at 63,64 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Miami
CL Biloxi, Shell hits 4
CA Australia, Shell hits 2
CA Shropshire
CA Wichita
CA Quincy
BB Indiana
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

Japanese ground losses:
1725 casualties reported
Guns lost 23

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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TF 1053 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

TF 1053 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64

Allied Ships
DE Gilmore
DD Hailey
DD Haggard, Mine hits 1, on fire
LSD Belle Grove, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Warrego
DD Hale
DE Griswold
DD Guest
DE Burden R. Hastings
AP Harry Lee, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Swan, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-216, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-23, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-444, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-336, Mine hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP President Coolidge, Mine hits 2, on fire
AP John Penn, Mine hits 1, on fire
LST LST-18, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-29, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Neville, Mine hits 1
AP Henry T. Allen, Mine hits 1
LCI LCI-436, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Calvert, Mine hits 1
LCI LCI-333, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-222, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-20, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-400, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-447, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP McCawley, Mine hits 2, on fire
LCI LCI-402, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Pierce, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-443, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-24, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-329, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-445, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP George Clymer, Mine hits 1, on fire
AP William Ward Burrows, Mine hits 1, on fire
LSD Lindenwald, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
LCI LCI-335, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Fuller, Mine hits 1, on fire
LST LST-25, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
2037 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1053
1088 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Nashville, Shell hits 16
LCI LCI-435, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-335, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Shell hits 14
LCI LCI-333, Shell hits 27, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-216, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-84, Shell hits 3
DD Hale
DD Guest
DD Hailey, Shell hits 3
LST LST-17
DE Griswold
AP William Ward Burrows, Shell hits 3, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1780 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1

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TF 1053 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

TF 1053 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64

Allied Ships
PG Warrego, Mine hits 1, on fire
PG Swan, on fire, heavy damage
DE Gilmore
DD Hailey, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Haggard, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Burden R. Hastings, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Guest, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
LCI LCI-402, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DE Griswold
DD Hale
LCI LCI-333, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-83, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Calvert, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-84, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LSD Belle Grove, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Mine hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-18, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Arthur Middleton, Mine hits 1
AP Fuller, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-329, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-334, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-23, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-435, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-335, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP President Johnson, Mine hits 1, on fire
CL Nashville, Mine hits 1, on fire
LST LST-22, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Pierce, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-20, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-25, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-28, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-336, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP McCawley, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-63, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Heywood, Mine hits 1, on fire
AP Leonard Wood, Mine hits 1, on fire
LCI LCI-444, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Zeilin, Mine hits 1
LSD Epping Forest, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-29, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LSD Lindenwald, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
LSD Gunston Hall, Mine hits 1
LCI LCI-443, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
207 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1053
365 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCI LCI-446, Shell hits 3

Allied ground losses:
1144 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

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TF 1146 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

TF 1146 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64

Allied Ships
DE England
DD MacDonough
DD Farragut, Mine hits 1
AK Blount, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Phelps
AK Algorab, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Alaskan, Mine hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Clark
AK Centarus, Mine hits 1
DE George, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Barker
AP Cape Neddick, Mine hits 1
DD Bulmer
AK Alchiba, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
AK Alcyone, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Beaverhead, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Aludra, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Arctic, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Alcona, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Thuban, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Libra, Mine hits 1
AK American, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Aquarius, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
AK Castor, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Autauga, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Arkansan, Mine hits 1
AK Coloradan, Mine hits 2
AK Etamin, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Mercury, Mine hits 1
AP Esperance Bay, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Antrim, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Floridian, Mine hits 1
AK Chicot, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Caledonia, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Alabaman, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Bellatrix, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Deimos, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Amador, Mine hits 1, on fire
AK Aroostook, Mine hits 1

Allied ground losses:
730 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1146
710 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AK Delawarean, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
DD MacDonough, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
AK Alcyone, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DE England, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 2
DD Phelps, Shell hits 6, on fire
AP Ormiston, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
2954 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

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TF 1140 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

245 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Bungaree
MSW Wasaga
MSW Heed
MSW Turkey
MSW Starling, Shell hits 27, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Oracle
MSW Spear, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Wollongong, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Wallaroo
MSW Wagga
MSW Launceton
MSW Latrobe
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda, Shell hits 29, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Junee, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Ipswitch, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Inverell, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Horsham, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Gympie, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Glenelg, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DE Seid
DE Elden
DE Fieberling
DD Dewey
LCI(G) LCI-66, Mine hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
DD Worden
DE Foreman
DE LeHardy
DE Greiner
DD Allen
DD Alywin
DD Hull
DD Alden

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TF 1152 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

37 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Bellechasse
MSW Swallow
MSW Skylark, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Zane
APD Herbert
APD Sands
APD Gilmer
APD Kilty
DE Eisele
APD Ward
APD Schley
DD Ringgold
DD Renshaw
APD Humphreys
APD Brooks
APD Dent
APD Talbot
DE Emery
DD Robinson
APD Dickerson
APD Rathburne
DE Dempsey
DD John Rodgers

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TF 1157 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

Allied Ships
MSW Kelowna
MSW Guysborough
MSW Caraquet
MSW Pursuit
DE Lovelace
DE Harmon
DD Buchanan
DD Aaron Ward
DD Downes
DE Thomason
DD Selfridge
AK West Cactus, Mine hits 1, on fire
DE Neuendorf
DD Laffey
LST LST-166, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Duncan
AK Andrea Luckenbach, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/30/2007 11:35:53 PM

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Dont think your MSWs sweep any mines while they are playing catch with the shore guns.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 12:06:35 AM

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...LCI(G) LCI-66, Mine hits 17, on fire, heavy damage ...

Wow, LCI-66 gets "most effective minesweeper in the fleet award!" .. MSW usually only sweep 1-2 per turn, but this vessel got 17 in one phase!!!

I guess if someone puts enough CD units in one place (like piling up 10 units worth) and this is detected ... then I'd either (a) Go somewhere else ... or (b) Hit the place with several days worth of 400+ Uber 4eB to wipe out all the supply .. that should reduce the gunfire sufficiently to let the MSW do their thing. But like in Speedy's case ... the "gunfire" looks like mostly small caliber ... the MSWs taking 150 hits and not sinking indicate the CD guns can't be firing much more than bee-bees ...

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 12:27:30 AM

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They sank Joe....oh they sank

I'm not concerned by this though (obviously losing ships isn't great but) Saipan will fall since my 13 divisions are at 90% operational status due to the MSW/transport sacrifice

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 12:28:39 AM

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Imagine how this ship would look a few minutes after 'being in action'

"MSW Bunbury, Shell hits 277, on fire, heavy damage "

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 4:25:10 AM

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"CURSE U RROBERSON......COME OUT WITH YOUR CARRIERS AND DIE LIKE A MAN."

You mean he still has some carriers to play with???

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 8:10:23 AM

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"CURSE U RROBERSON......COME OUT WITH YOUR CARRIERS AND DIE LIKE A MAN."

You mean he still has some carriers to play with???

Yes.....so far he's only come out to attempting to snipe my lines of comm between Saipan (which finally fell after an epic 30day campaign) and Ewin. I can say with authority that he now only possesses two battleships and neither of them are Yamato class.

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 8:58:50 AM

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Oh Gee...do I have to be the guy that says perhaps the designers got it wrong again? I hate being such a non-team-player.. I'm already a whipping boy so I guess another op won't matter. Anyone who thinks adding vannila custard to alleviate the pain of popping zits which many of the games flaws feels like is NOT helping the issue, but only perpetuating it. A simple coding fix is needed here, along with about two dozen other things. No silly tried and and true work around or ass kiss approach helps. Hmmm...maybe I'll try to flaunt a highly plugged unofficial mod?

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 10:03:03 AM

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What`s the problem here ?

In real war Saipan was bombed daily from February to June by Air.

Five days of air attacks and three of Naval Bombardment before landing the invasion.

You need to soften Japanese defenses a lot before landing.....

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 10:34:12 AM

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i will be found sarcastic but allies need to make few bombardment TFs with 1 dms in each - it offers 100% immunization to capitals ,clears mine and CD guns
you can also make a super MSW force with few capitals in surface combat TF / CD will not shoot at them / and attach as many dms as you have -you will be amazed how many mines are cleared
it is obvious bug
like many more .....

I've heard that the DMs were intended as offensive or antisubmarine minelayers. The DMSs were intended to work with the fleet, clearing mines to protect the battleships. Thus a bombardment TF with DMSs is quite realistic.

The bird-class MSWs the USN has at the start were converted to ocean-going tugs in 1942.

ok but at what speed you can efficiently sweep mines? 20+ knots ? never heard about of this
in witp it is always done at high speed
any japanese players saw a lot of night bombardment runs of multiple capitals covered by even single dms
in 5k+ dense minefields
for me it is a way too effective
dms make high speed runs through dense minefields totally safe for a TF
i don't even comment when there is surface action in enemy minefields
or the fact that dms within SC TF can clear minefield and sweeping is ignored by any CD guns
no matter a base have a radar or not
little to comment IMO

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 11:27:21 AM

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What`s the problem here ?

In real war Saipan was bombed daily from February to June by Air.

Five days of air attacks and three of Naval Bombardment before landing the invasion.

You need to soften Japanese defenses a lot before landing.....

At what point did I say I have a problem with it????

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 11:32:49 AM

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I pointed you ????

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 11:35:10 AM

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Ah.............

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RE: how do you beat the CD gun/minefield combo? - 1/31/2007 4:11:22 PM

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What`s the problem here ?

In real war Saipan was bombed daily from February to June by Air.

Five days of air attacks and three of Naval Bombardment before landing the invasion.

You need to soften Japanese defenses a lot before landing.....

At what point did I say I have a problem with it????

Might have been part of why i stalled. Might also have been part bad luck too. I don't think i did anything radically different from when i played against the AI and managed to get some good odds rolls. I probably didn't bring enough arty though which may have made the difference in only getting 1:1 odds initially...enough to reduce fort levels, but wearing down my troops in the process until a stalemate was reached at around fort level 2. The good part of my planning, as mentioned was putting in my old BB's and some CA's in close support which prevented the CD's from causing any serious harm. The bad part was then getting careless after things stalled which, combined with some judicious weather rolls allowed Der Roberson (aka, Die Spoiler) to slip in his BB fleet to cause some higgidy piggidy.

All in all a terrific fight. I need to work on improving my amphib ops though.

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