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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 1:54:28 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 2:36:03 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 2:50:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NCSUforest

One quick question - how far is the war ahead of the AAR now??


Despite the fact that I have been fairly diligent about posting new entries the game continues to get ahead of me. The game is now about six months ahead.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 4:31:37 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 4:54:37 PM   
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I do have 1 question. What is the experience level of the ship?

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 6:28:32 PM   
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We don't want to know until it happens.

I do have 1 question. What is the experience level of the ship?


Good timing, since this was going to be the subject of this morning's post anyway! See below. Daytime experience seems to be easier to come by than nighttime experience for ship's crews.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 6:28:45 PM   
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Location: 475 miles west-southwest of Iwo Jima
Course: North
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 235

Orders: Return to Osaka

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At some point in the operation around Ulithi Hibiki picks up another point of day experience. Overall experience is now 81/69 (started war at 72/66).






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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 8:11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Hibiki might have some port time for upgrading and shore leave for the crew in the very near future....

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 8:28:55 PM   
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EDIT: Although delivering 80% of the supplies would be a victory of sorts


Same sort of victory as Dunkirk. But if you define it by objectives achieved as opposed to pound for pound losses taken, I'll agree that it is a victory.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 8:32:13 PM   
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So Hibiki might have some port time for upgrading and shore leave for the crew in the very near future....


Are they going to take off another turret or just slap some more AA guns in unlikely places?

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 8:37:55 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/19/2008 8:39:23 PM   
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A few more 25mm guns and a radar suite.



Ooooh......radaaaaaar. This should give us days of hilarious dialog.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 1:01:09 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 1:26:22 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 5:31:46 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 3:55:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ANYTHING that packs nearly 1,000 AA strength is useful!



Perhaps, but you ruin a perfectly good BB to get it. And the trouble is that rediculous little flight deck on the back of Ise is nothing more than a nuisance. Given the total lack of effectiveness of the Japanese Naval Air arm at the time you do get this mod, the 4 guns that were back there would be much more usefull, IMO.

The AA upgrade is nice, I'm just not sure giving up the naval guns for it is a good trade off.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 4:15:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		They should just have removed the guns ( big naval rifles are fairly useless at that stage ) and put in lots of FlAK ( 3.9 inch DP turrets with a smattering of 40mm Bofors would have been wonderful ) instead of the dinky little flight deck. You would get a LOT of 3.9 inch turrets onto the ship if you cleared the back deck for them and had a pyramidal-type structure with FlAK guns on each level of the pyramid. Stability wouldn't have been a problem on a BB.

I did a few calculations along this line for the CVA Yamato and Designer class CAAAs in my mod and ripping out 8 inch gun turrets and staggering lots of 3.9 inch turrets in barbettes along the hull ( a la secondary guns ) lets one cram an awful lot of AAA onto CAs and BBs. Sure, you give up ANY surface combat capability they might have had but you end up with a wonderful anti-aircraft ship which is hellaciously survivable when compared to anti-air DDs and CLs.


OOC: I think it is going to be pretty sad when Hibiki eventually, inevitably, sinks.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 8:20:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

They should just have removed the guns ( big naval rifles are fairly useless at that stage ) and put in lots of FlAK ( 3.9 inch DP turrets with a smattering of 40mm Bofors would have been wonderful )

Just how many 40mm Bofors were available to the IJN?

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OOC: I think it is going to be pretty sad when Hibiki eventually, inevitably, sinks.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 9:08:01 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/20/2008 11:37:14 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/21/2008 7:08:02 PM   
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Location: 290 miles northwest of Iwo Jima
Course: North
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 190

Orders: Return to Osaka

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Taiki is alone in the petty officer’s wardroom when Shun enters. The young petty officer stands to acknowledge the Chief.

“Chief Shun,” he says respectfully. Shun does not speak at first but instead closes the door behind him and then locks it. He then turns back towards Taiki.

“Takahashi,” he says in his gravelly voice. He then comes towards Taiki, moving on the balls of his feet in a fighter’s crouch. Taiki takes an involuntary step backwards in alarm.

“Chief?” he says. Shun merely grins without making a reply. As he reaches Taiki he throws a punch right at Taiki’s head.

It is possible that Shun telegraphs the punch just a little bit. But it is a vicious punch anyway and if it lands Taiki will need extensive dental work. It does not land. Taiki reacts with great speed and slips the blow by a fraction of an inch. Then, reacting completely by instinct, he grabs Shun’s arm and uses it as a lever to pivot into the big man, driving his elbow hard into Shun’s midriff. Shun actually grunts at the blow. The next move in the sequence is to throw Shun over his shoulder and to the floor, but at this point intellect overrides reflex. Taiki releases Shun and pivots back out of reach, an appalled expression on his face.

Shun is holding a hand over his midriff and grinning. “Good, very good,” he says. “Tell me, Takahashi, who did you take advanced unarmed combat from at Sergeant’s School? Kubo?”

Taiki is confused. “Yes, Chief,” he stammers. “How…how do you know that?”

“Kubo and I are old friends,” he says. “I recognize his technique when I see it – as I recently have.” He gazes levelly at Taiki. “The fact that you took the course is in your file.”

Here it comes, thinks Taiki. He braces himself and meets Shun’s stern look evenly. Astonishingly, however, the chief begin to chuckle.

“Your only mistake was striking too hard,” he says when he recovers his composure. “Next time trust your skill.” Taiki knows he is not talking about what just happened. Shun claps Taiki on the shoulder and goes to the door. He unlocks and opens it. Then he takes one look back at Taiki, chuckles again with a shake of his head, and leaves. Taiki stands looking at the empty doorway for several moments, a bemused expression on his face.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/21/2008 8:29:00 PM   
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“Your only mistake was striking too hard,” he says when he recovers his composure. “Next time trust your skill.” Taiki knows he is not talking about what just happened.


Mystery solved! (And I should have realized that there was a recently trained fourth suspect.) I continue to be awe-struck by your ability to keep multiple complex plot-lines going.

But Miharu may never find out . . . he certainly won't from Shun!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/21/2008 9:08:42 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/22/2008 9:08:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish

May 10, 1944

Location: 290 miles northwest of Iwo Jima
Course: North
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 190

Orders: Return to Osaka

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Taiki is alone in the petty officer’s wardroom when Shun enters. The young petty officer stands to acknowledge the Chief.

“Chief Shun,” he says respectfully. Shun does not speak at first but instead closes the door behind him and then locks it. He then turns back towards Taiki.

“Takahashi,” he says in his gravelly voice. He then comes towards Taiki, moving on the balls of his feet in a fighter’s crouch. Taiki takes an involuntary step backwards in alarm.

“Chief?” he says. Shun merely grins without making a reply. As he reaches Taiki he throws a punch right at Taiki’s head.

It is possible that Shun telegraphs the punch just a little bit. But it is a vicious punch anyway and if it lands Taiki will need extensive dental work. It does not land. Taiki reacts with great speed and slips the blow by a fraction of an inch. Then, reacting completely by instinct, he grabs Shun’s arm and uses it as a lever to pivot into the big man, driving his elbow hard into Shun’s midriff. Shun actually grunts at the blow. The next move in the sequence is to throw Shun over his shoulder and to the floor, but at this point intellect overrides reflex. Taiki releases Shun and pivots back out of reach, an appalled expression on his face.

Shun is holding a hand over his midriff and grinning. “Good, very good,” he says. “Tell me, Takahashi, who did you take advanced unarmed combat from at Sergeant’s School? Kubo?”

Taiki is confused. “Yes, Chief,” he stammers. “How…how do you know that?”

“Kubo and I are old friends,” he says. “I recognize his technique when I see it – as I recently have.” He gazes levelly at Taiki. “The fact that you took the course is in your file.”

Here it comes, thinks Taiki. He braces himself and meets Shun’s stern look evenly. Astonishingly, however, the chief begin to chuckle.

“Your only mistake was striking too hard,” he says when he recovers his composure. “Next time trust your skill.” Taiki knows he is not talking about what just happened. Shun claps Taiki on the shoulder and goes to the door. He unlocks and opens it. Then he takes one look back at Taiki, chuckles again with a shake of his head, and leaves. Taiki stands looking at the empty doorway for several moments, a bemused expression on his face.



WOW , i couldn't have guess this one !
Nice job as usual Cuttlefish !

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/22/2008 1:17:35 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/22/2008 4:23:41 PM   
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Taiki is confused. “Yes, Chief,” he stammers. “How…how do you know that?”


The Chief ALWAYS knows:

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 7/22/2008 5:04:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ANYTHING that packs nearly 1,000 AA strength is useful!


and in chs kick ass float plane fighters and torpedo planes.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/23/2008 7:12:15 PM   
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Location: 60 miles southwest of Osaka
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 145

Orders: Return to Osaka

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Senior Petty Officer Okubo is at the rail, keeping an eye on a group of sailors who are at work replacing the gaskets and knife-edges on a door in the aft deckhouse nearby. Chief Shun comes into view and saunters over to join Okubo. He just stands there for a moment, watching the work.

“It looks at though we should be back in Japan tomorrow,” Okubo comments, just to be saying something. “Any idea where we will be making port, Chief?”

Shun shrugs. “Osaka probably, given our course, or maybe Okayama,” he says. “I haven’t heard.” He turns away, looking out at the green water. Okubo turns with him.

“You caught a break, you know,” Shun says after a moment. He is speaking in a low voice.

“Chief?” says Okubo.

“A break,” Shun says. “Someone decided you ought to get another chance and was willing to take a risk to do it. You were luckier than you deserved. If it was me you would be in irons now. I’ve had about enough of you, Okubo.”

“I don’t know what you’re talking about, Chief,” Okubo says. But he does know.

“Right,” says Shun. “What kind of accident did you have in mind for Aikawa? It had to be something like that. Someone figured it out and decided to punish you informally.”

“Chief, I would never…” Okubo begins.

“Shut up,” Shun says curtly. “Just listen. Lieutenant Miharu is not a stupid man. He probably has gotten pretty close to the truth. If he gets there your career is over. The only reason that hasn’t happened is that you have a guardian angel. A violent one, but still a guardian angel.” Okubo says nothing to this, but his mind is racing. He knows it wasn’t Shun. Who then?

Shun glances over to make sure the men are still at work, then continues talking. “You get no more chances aboard this ship. One more slip and you are through. Remember that, and remember that I’m not the only one watching you.” He pushes away from the rail. “Have a good afternoon,” he says, then moves away. Okubo watches him retreat. He feels cold, as if spirits were visiting his grave.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/23/2008 8:37:07 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - The Disciple - 7/23/2008 8:38:09 PM   
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