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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/2/2009 10:30:11 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/2/2009 10:37:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Feinder

After:

(actual photos of Osaka in 1945).
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This later inspired a Beatles song... original lyrics were:

I read the news today oh, boy
Four thousand holes in downtown Osaka
And though the holes weren’t very small
They had to count them all

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/3/2009 1:17:04 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/3/2009 3:02:14 PM   
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It is just like the nightmares he had following the dive-bombing attack they endured off Wake back in ’42. The bombers are a bit different – these, he knows, are SB2Cs, not the old SBDs – but he is standing rooted to the spot as the lead plane seems to grow larger and larger. Then it releases it’s bomb, and just like in his old nightmares the projectile seems to hang there for a moment, ridiculously large.



I remember that entry -- a marvelous job of evoking the sights and sounds of the attack. (You might want to watch the confusion of "it's" and "its", though.) Also, a shout-out to Feinder for posting those pictures.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/3/2009 4:01:00 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/3/2009 7:06:55 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/3/2009 8:04:29 PM   
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Location: Osaka
Course: None
Attached to: Disbanded in port
Mission: None
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: Escort damaged ships to Maizuru

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The enemy carriers withdraw, vanishing back to the south. Late in the morning the B-29s and their escorts return, though, and once again bomb the city’s industrial areas.

Lieutenant Miharu stands on the deck and watches them. He can hear the thump of explosions from inland and see smoke rising into the sky. There is still smoke rising from around the harbor, too, and the salt air is tinged with the reek of char.

Not just factories are being hit out there, of course. The bombing is not precise enough for that. Lieutenant Miharu feels a sort of desperate weariness as he watches and prays that the casualties are not as heavy as it seems they must be from the sheer number of bombs being dropped.

Captain Ishii clumps up the gangway and, after speaking with the officer of the deck, comes over to him.

“I haven’t seen any of our fighters today,” he says. “Have you?”

“No sir,” says the lieutenant. Ishii watches the bombing with him for a moment.

“We are leaving,” he says finally. “Probably not tomorrow, but maybe the day after. As soon as they can get some of the water pumped out of Hiei, anyway. We’re taking Hiei and every other warship that can still float to Maizuru.” Maizuru is a large port on the Sea of Japan. It may not be exactly safe, thinks Miharu, but it’s bound to be safer than here.

“What about Kirishima?” he asks. Ishii snorts.

“The only thing holding up Kirishima right now is the mud at the bottom of the harbor,” he says. “She can probably be refloated but that isn’t going to happen soon.”

“Very well, sir,” says the lieutenant. “I will see that we are ready to sail.”

“Good,” says Ishii. He looks up at the enemy planes, unhindered except for an occasional burst of anti-aircraft fire, cruising high overhead. “I think that this is a good place to leave.”




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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/4/2009 4:38:51 AM   
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System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0


Apparently the bomb that hit Isokaze blew the rust off of Hibiki!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/5/2009 4:35:18 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/5/2009 4:50:05 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/6/2009 5:17:23 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/7/2009 9:27:59 PM   
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Location: Osaka
Course: None
Attached to: Disbanded in port
Mission: None
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: Escort damaged ships to Maizuru

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Recent events have added two more points to Hibiki’s daytime crew experience, from 89 up to 91. The ship started the war with a day/night rating of 71/66; it is now at 91/69.







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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 1:12:01 AM   
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Location: Osaka
Course: Southwest
Attached to: TF 31
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: Escort damaged ships to Maizuru

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It is only 95 kilometers in a straight line from Osaka Bay to Maizuru, but the to get there Hibiki and the other Japanese ships will have to transit the Inland Sea, pass through the Kanmon Strait into the Sea of Japan, and then sail back to Maizuru. Given the limited speed of some of the ships being escorted the voyage will probably take two days, perhaps a little more.

Captain Nishida, Hiei’s commander, is in overall command of the task force. While the enemy carriers are still moving south and will not be a threat unless they suddenly reverse course, enemy submarines have been reported lurking in the Kanmon Strait and in the Sea of Japan. That what would have been a perfectly routine mission even a few months ago carries any risk at all speaks eloquently about what a changed war Hibiki and her crew find themselves in.

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Task force 31 (Hibiki and several other destroyers not visible):








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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 1:23:38 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 1:36:48 AM   
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CF--I am in Dec 44 and would LOVE to have more then just a single BB operational!  What does Hibiki know about the rest of the Kaigun?  


Well, as far as battleships go the crew knows they are leaving behind the badly damaged Kirishima. Taiki knows from his brother that Mutsu is still afloat, though he doesn't know where, and the crew knows generally that two battleships, said to be Nagato and either Ise or Fujo, are at Singapore keeping an eye on the British. Of the others only Musashi might still be afloat but this is beginning to seem increasingly dubious.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 3:19:26 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 4:44:57 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 1:21:05 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 8:16:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FOW

Did IJN Command not consider sending the Katori separately - would mean the TF would be limited to Hiei's speed and maybe managed 3/3 movement.


They did consider it, but decided that the danger from submarine attack mandated that all ships travel together.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/8/2009 8:18:24 PM   
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Location: Kanmon Strait
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 31
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 460

Orders: Escort damaged ships to Maizuru

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“What I don’t understand, sir,” Lieutenant Kuwaki asks Lieutenant Miharu, “is why we are risking submarine attack to move the ships such a short distance. Surely they are as vulnerable to air attack at Maizuru as they are at Osaka.” It is night and the Japanese ships are moving at slow speed through the Inland Sea. Lookouts on every side peer through the darkness for any sign of periscopes or torpedo wakes.

“Ah, but they have to be found before they are attacked,” says Lieutenant Miharu. “Japan has many ports. It is like a shell game.”

“Shell game, sir?” says Kuwaki. “What is that?” There is such a look of confusion on his broad, stolid features that Miharu cannot help smiling a little.

“It is a game they play in America,” he says. “A man places a ball under one of three overturned cups. He then moves the cups around very rapidly and challenges an observer to choose which cup conceals the ball. Usually there is a wager involved.”

“I see, sir,” says Kuwaki. “But where do the shells come in?” Lieutenant Miharu blinks.

“That is a good question,” he says. “I never saw shells used to conceal the balls when I was there. But perhaps they used to use sea shells instead of cups and the name stuck.”

“I take your meaning, though, sir,” says Kuwaki. “Keep moving around and make the enemy guess where our warships are.”

“Exactly,” says the executive officer. “And of course it is much easier to get out of range if one can simply escape into the Sea of Japan. Being in Osaka is like being in the bottom of a sack.”

Kuwaki nods somberly. He turns his attention back to scanning the black water of the inland sea. Of the friendly lights that usually twinkle along the coast there is no sign. The ships move through darkness towards an uncertain future.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/9/2009 11:31:03 PM   
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Location: 40 miles off Matsue
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 31
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 425

Orders: Escort damaged ships to Maizuru

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Lieutenant Miharu knocks politely at the door of Ishii’s cabin. He hears a muffled “enter” from within and does so, holding a sheaf of personnel reports.

“Ah, the reports,” says Ishii. “Thank you, Exec.” He takes the papers and looks through them quickly, then sets them on his desk next to a battered old baseball glove. Lieutenant Miharu eyes the glove curiously.

“Just reminiscing,” says the captain when he notices. He picks up the glove and puts it back in the locker that sits under his narrow fold-down bed. “They aren’t going to play baseball this year, you know. They’ve kept the league going for morale but they cancelled the end of last season and won’t play at all this year.”

“Even if there were anyone left to play it would be dangerous to gather a crowd of people in a ballpark to watch them,” says Miharu. “With the bombing going on, I mean.”

Ishii looks slightly scandalized. “Surely the Americans would not bomb a baseball stadium!” he says.

“Well, perhaps not deliberately,” says the lieutenant, “but their big bombers do not aim with great precision.”

“Bomb a baseball stadium,” Ishii mutters. “Might as well bomb a church. I’ve heard that’s why Nagasaki hasn’t been bombed, in fact, because of all the Christians and their churches there.”

“The Americans have a wide sentimental streak,” says Lieutenant Miharu, “but they are quite able to set that aside. If they thought that winning the war required it I am sure they would bomb Santa Claus.”

“Santa Claus?” says Ishii. “Who the devil is that?”

"He's the elf who delivers toys to good little girls and...." he breaks off when he sees Ishii eyeing him strangely. "Never mind, sir, it's a long story."


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/9/2009 11:33:37 PM   
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Location: Maizuru
Course: None
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: See below

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Maizuru has a deep and scenic harbor and has been one of the Imperial Japanese Navy’s most important bases ever since the Russo-Japanese war. It is Hibiki’s first visit here since the war began but the crew is given no time to look around. The task force disbands as soon as they enter the harbor and new orders arrive almost at once.

“We are to be one of six destroyers tasked with escorting carrier Ryujo to Saigon,” Ishii tells his officers. “We depart tomorrow. The Navy wants no time wasted in getting the carrier away from Japan before the enemy’s carriers return.”

“Saigon?” asks Lieutenant Sugiyura. “Why Saigon, sir?”

“Because that is where the rest of our carriers are, apparently,” says Ishii. “The importance of getting Ryujo through undamaged has been stressed to me, gentlemen. We do not have all that many flight decks left and we will need every one of them if the British attempt to outflank the Mandalay Line by sea.”

This is a new thought for Hibiki’s officers. They have been so long away from the war on the mainland that most of them had all but forgotten it was still going on.

“All we will have time to do is refuel, I am afraid. Lieutenant Sakati, how are the engines?”

“They’ll get us there, sir,” says Sakati, “have no worries about that.”

Ishii nods and dismisses his men to get ready. Saigon was Hibiki’s first port of call after the war started. The journey there now will be much more dangerous than it was back in December 1941.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/10/2009 12:03:23 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/10/2009 8:13:07 PM   
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“Because that is where the rest of our carriers are, apparently,” says Ishii. “The importance of getting Ryujo through undamaged has been stressed to me, gentlemen. We do not have all that many flight decks left and we will need every one of them if the British attempt to outflank the Mandalay Line by sea.”

This is a new thought for Hibiki’s officers. They have been so long away from the war on the mainland that most of them had all but forgotten it was still going on.


Ahh -- I've been wondering about the war in the Burma-India theater. But it strikes me that Saigon is a bit far to react to an amphibious invasion near Rangoon.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/11/2009 12:47:47 AM   
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Location: Off Ikitsuki
Course: Southwest
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 432

Orders: Escort Ryujo to Saigon

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The task force gets underway as scheduled and a day later find themselves off scenic Ikitsuki. As dusk draws near the Japanese ships prepare to transit the Tsushima Strait and enter the East China Sea.

For the first day, at least, the six destroyers and their charge have no troubles. This is well. The fortunes have war have greatly magnified Ryujo’s importance to the Japanese. The small but capable carrier was of secondary consideration back when the war started. But with so many carriers lost every flight deck is now valuable.

But this is just the first day of a long voyage. Enemy submarines are occasionally spotted in the Tsushima Strait and they are almost always present in the East China Sea and around Formosa. Everyone’s greatest fear, however, is that they will run afoul of an enemy carrier sweep ahead of an invasion of Okinawa or the Philippines. It would be sheer bad luck were that to happen, of course, but that does not mean it could not occur. It might startle Hibiki's crew if they knew that the talk on the other ships is that such a thing is unlikely with Hibiki in the task force. Or, others suggest more darkly, if it did happen the enemy planes would ignore Hibiki and target them instead.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/11/2009 12:49:56 AM   
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Location: 170 miles east-southeast of Shanghai
Course: South
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 396

Orders: Escort Ryujo to Saigon

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“Hey, you remember that bar in Saigon we used to hang out at?”

“No, never been to Saigon. I came on board later.”

“That’s right. Hey, Ariga, what was the name of that place in Saigon?”

“Give me some more rice and I’ll tell you. Thanks. Le Matelot d’Ivre, I think. French name.”

“That was it! Anyway, there was this girl there. I don’t remember her name, but she had the most beautiful eyes. I wonder if she’s still there?”

“That was more than three years ago. She’s probably married and has a kid now.”

“They’re never still there, and if they are they are never as pretty as you remember. Don’t get your hopes up.”

“Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he?”

“Can you kiss a dream?”

“It’s been a long war. If Yoshitake wants to dream, let him dream.”

“I’m dreaming of some more of that fish. Pass it down here.”

“It’s all gone.”

“Damn. So much for dreams.”

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/11/2009 2:29:11 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/11/2009 5:17:31 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/11/2009 4:01:26 PM   
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It might startle Hibiki's crew if they knew that the talk on the other ships is that such a thing is unlikely with Hibiki in the task force. Or, others suggest more darkly, if it did happen the enemy planes would ignore Hibiki and target them instead.


I doubt it would startle Ishii or Shun. They must know that Hibiki has a reputation by now -- it's good to have her for an escort, but bad to have her in a combat TF.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 4/12/2009 7:10:06 PM   
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Location: 60 miles southeast of Taipei
Course: South
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 353

Orders: Escort Ryujo to Saigon

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Yoshitake is seated cross-legged on the metal deck plates across from Riku. He is about to lay down a card when Benzaiten comes coiling down a pipe and across the floor. Riku hastily picks up his cards as the snake slithers between them and over towards his box.

“Hey Snake Man,” calls Yoshitake. “Your wandering pet has returned.” There is a stir in a hammock slung overhead and Oizuma’s face peers down.

“So she has,” Oizuma says. He rolls out of his hammock and goes over to the elaborate inlaid box that is the python’s home. Benzaiten is already inside and the others can hear a faint dry slithering as the snake moves about inside.

“There you are,” says Oizuma to the snake. “Did you find any tasty rodents while you were out?” He reaches in to lift her out and the others hear a loud and distinct hiss from within. Oizuma pulls his hand back quickly.

“She nipped at me!” he says, startled. He peers in more closely. “She seems really agitated. What’s gotten into you, snake?”

“She’s a woman,” says Riku. “They all get like this sometimes. Best thing is to just take no offense and let it go. She’ll be back to herself after a while.”

“Thus speaks the old married man!” says Yoshitake. “Listen to him, Snake Man, he is an expert on the subject.” Oizuma turns reluctantly away.

“I guess so,” he says, “but I’ve hardly ever seen her like this before. Usually she is as gentle as a dove. I wonder what’s gotten into her?”


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