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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 3:27:14 PM

secadegas

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There's any chance of when using the "next unit button" the selected unit don't get centrered?

I like it just like it worked before, please...

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 7:30:42 PM

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Hi i have been sent pbem games on the earlier patch should i do them and send them back before upgrading thanks Ian

I would discuss this with your opponents. In short, YOU can upgrade at any point in time, but any turns that you play with the new version, will need to be played with the new version by your opponents, as well. Think of it as a one-way door. If you or your opponents are nervous about upgrading to a "beta" patch, then simply wait a week or two until the official version is out.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 7:44:11 PM

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The game manual from the launch window thing seems to be an incompatibility between the Matrix launch window and Adobe Reader Version 8.

I have the following Matrix games: TOAW III, Harpoon 3, Steel Panthers World at War, The Campaign Series, War in the Pacific, Chariots of War, and Titans of Steel. I have tested each one and the only game that will now let me access the game manual from the launch window is Steel Panthers World at War. All the others fail.

So it's not specific to the TOAW patch but why would Steel Panthers be OK if all the others fail? Note that I can still access the manuals by going to them via explorer and double clicking or by launching the reader from the desktop and then loading the manual. It's not the end of the world.

It would not surprise me. It may have to do with some security setting with it. I would have to upgrade to Version 8, as well, to confirm it. In the meantime, I'll send off an email to Matrix to let them know of a potential incompatibility.

By the way, are you using XP, or Vista? More specifics on your system might be helpful in running down the problem.

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As for the blank line in the Advanced Options window, I reinstalled the patch but it changed nothing. I have just re-downloaded the patch and I am going to back up my scenarios and saves, completely uninstall TOAW, reinstall the base realease, and apply the new patch to that.

The Matrix uninstaller leaves a LOT of stuff behind, and does not give you the prompt that it did not remove everything. At least the Windows uninstaller (from the Add/Remove Programs dialogue in Control Panel) has the courtesy to let you know that there are things left behind in the folders...most of the time. I would heartily recommend that after you back up and move to a safe place all of your "important" files, i.e., saved games, scenario work, special graphics, etc., that you completely wipe the "The Operational Art of War III" folder from your Matrix Games directory, before reinstalling. Good luck.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 8:47:02 PM

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There's any chance of when using the "next unit button" the selected unit don't get centrered?

I like it just like it worked before, please...

Can't play this way... the map is constantly "jumping"...

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:10:06 PM

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There's any chance of when using the "next unit button" the selected unit don't get centrered?

I like it just like it worked before, please...

Can't play this way... the map is constantly "jumping"...

Hi Joao,

Is it a problem with motion-sickness? This feature was widely requested, so that players would not have to hunt and scan over the map for which unit was the active one. There's nothing we can do about it at this point in time, and I'm not sure if it is feasible to have both behaviors be available as options in the future, but I'll ask Ralph. In the meantime, just blink, long and hard, each time you push the "N" key.

Hey...that's an eye-dia for a new feature, "blink enforcement" to help protect users eyes from eye strain...

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:18:23 PM

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There's any chance of when using the "next unit button" the selected unit don't get centrered?

I like it just like it worked before, please...

Can't play this way... the map is constantly "jumping"...

Hi Joao,

Is it a problem with motion-sickness? This feature was widely requested, so that players would not have to hunt and scan over the map for which unit was the active one. There's nothing we can do about it at this point in time, and I'm not sure if it is feasible to have both behaviors be available as options in the future, but I'll ask Ralph. In the meantime, just blink, long and hard, each time you push the "N" key.

Hey...that's an eye-dia for a new feature, "blink enforcement" to help protect users eyes from eye strain...

I hoped something simple could be done... apparently it's not the case. So i'll try to get used to the map jumping... or i'll start blinking...

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:18:49 PM

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Joao, I neglected to ask...are you using the "broken" next unit behavior, or did you fix it by going into the Opart 3.ini file and changing "nextUsesOOBOrder=N" to "nextUsesOOBOrder=Y"? Remember to save the file after changing.

If you haven't yet done this, then disregard my previous reply, and do this first. Then let me know if it solves your problem.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:21:37 PM

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Joao, I neglected to ask...are you using the "broken" next unit behavior, or did you fix it by going into the Opart 3.ini file and changing "nextUsesOOBOrder=N" to "nextUsesOOBOrder=Y"? Remember to save the file after changing.

If you haven't yet done this, then disregard my previous reply, and do this first. Then let me know if it solves your problem.

No, i already fix the Opart 3.ini file.

I thought a simple fix like that could be the solution here...

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:23:46 PM

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The game manual from the launch window thing seems to be an incompatibility between the Matrix launch window and Adobe Reader Version 8.

I have the following Matrix games: TOAW III, Harpoon 3, Steel Panthers World at War, The Campaign Series, War in the Pacific, Chariots of War, and Titans of Steel. I have tested each one and the only game that will now let me access the game manual from the launch window is Steel Panthers World at War. All the others fail.

So it's not specific to the TOAW patch but why would Steel Panthers be OK if all the others fail? Note that I can still access the manuals by going to them via explorer and double clicking or by launching the reader from the desktop and then loading the manual. It's not the end of the world.

It would not surprise me. It may have to do with some security setting with it. I would have to upgrade to Version 8, as well, to confirm it. In the meantime, I'll send off an email to Matrix to let them know of a potential incompatibility.

By the way, are you using XP, or Vista? More specifics on your system might be helpful in running down the problem.

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ORIGINAL: shunwick

As for the blank line in the Advanced Options window, I reinstalled the patch but it changed nothing. I have just re-downloaded the patch and I am going to back up my scenarios and saves, completely uninstall TOAW, reinstall the base realease, and apply the new patch to that.

The Matrix uninstaller leaves a LOT of stuff behind, and does not give you the prompt that it did not remove everything. At least the Windows uninstaller (from the Add/Remove Programs dialogue in Control Panel) has the courtesy to let you know that there are things left behind in the folders...most of the time. I would heartily recommend that after you back up and move to a safe place all of your "important" files, i.e., saved games, scenario work, special graphics, etc., that you completely wipe the "The Operational Art of War III" folder from your Matrix Games directory, before reinstalling. Good luck.

Now he tells me! Actually, I did a check and found that it left a whole bunch of stuff behind. Backed up what I wanted to save, wiped the hard disk clean, reinstalled the base release and then reinstalled the re-downloaded patch.

And lo and behold, I have been to the top of the mountain and looked down upon the promised land. This is a long way of saying that the blank line is no loner blank. I assume it was some form of corrupted fie. Thanks for your help.

The Adobe Reader thing is either something they did to version 8 (because I never had a problem with version 7) or else another corrupted file on my system. However, the fact that Steel Panthers works as advertised might give some clue as to what is going on. I am using XP SP2.

There is a problem with the previous unit button. No, not that problem. This is a problem if you change the ini to go back to the old way of doing things. Load any scenario into the game. For the first player the focus is always on the second unit in the oob. Click the previous unit button and it takes you not to the first unit in the oob but the last unit in the oob. Same for second player except his initial focus is the first unit. I am not sure if this wasn't always true - not necessarily something to do with the patch.

And please God let someone else confirm this!

There are some truly nice features in the new patch. I like it.

Best wishes,

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:30:47 PM

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Joao, I neglected to ask...are you using the "broken" next unit behavior, or did you fix it by going into the Opart 3.ini file and changing "nextUsesOOBOrder=N" to "nextUsesOOBOrder=Y"? Remember to save the file after changing.

If you haven't yet done this, then disregard my previous reply, and do this first. Then let me know if it solves your problem.

No, i already fix the Opart 3.ini file.

I thought a simple fix like that could be the solution here...

Okay, thanks for the feedback. Incidentally, what desktop resolution are you using? I use a 1680x1050 resolution so my map area is rather large. With fairly tightly grouped formations, the map jump is rather minimal for me. I do, however, have a high tolerance for motion. I understand that for a smaller resolution, and more spread out formations, where the map jumps would be proportionally larger, they might very well be more irritating. Especially if one has a high susceptability for motion-sickness.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:37:42 PM

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Now he tells me! Actually, I did a check and found that it left a whole bunch of stuff behind. Backed up what I wanted to save, wiped the hard disk clean, reinstalled the base release and then reinstalled the re-downloaded patch.

Well...I hope you didn't really go through the trouble of wiping your "hard disk" clean. Simply wiping your "The Operational Art of War III" folder from your Matrix Games directory would have sufficed...

Anyway...glad it's working for you now. I'm not sure on the 2nd unit to last unit in previous unit cycling. To be honest, I don't use the next/previous unit keys very often. I'm the kind of guy that will (try to) look through every unit on the map...several times over...every set of attacks...trying to micromanage some trivial advantage.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:49:00 PM

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James,

I don't use the next/previous units buttons much either. However, with the current focus on the behaviour of those buttons I was just playing around.

Oh, and no not the whole hard disk. Just the bit with TOAW installed. I never thought the day would come when I would uninstall TOAW. It was almost sad.

Best wishes,

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/2/2007 9:53:30 PM

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I never thought the day would come when I would uninstall TOAW. It was almost sad.

Tell me about it. I was the same way. Then I took this job. Now, for every patch, I end up wiping and reinstalling two or three times apiece on two different machines. The things we do for money...

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 1:01:33 PM

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Okay, thanks for the feedback. Incidentally, what desktop resolution are you using? I use a 1680x1050 resolution so my map area is rather large. With fairly tightly grouped formations, the map jump is rather minimal for me. I do, however, have a high tolerance for motion. I understand that for a smaller resolution, and more spread out formations, where the map jumps would be proportionally larger, they might very well be more irritating. Especially if one has a high susceptability for motion-sickness.

I use 2 resolutions, the smallest beeing 1280x1024, so i don't think that's the problem.

The problem is this new feature doesn't make much sense...

- The selected unit, if you can't find it (!?), can be centered if you click it on the unit panel. So you always had that funtion( if you really need it...). This new centering of the unit by default when using the next button is completely redundant.

- In certain ocasions the new jumping map turns the micromanagement impossible. How many times you need to have a "steady" map to get a "group picture" of some units (i.e. broken down units). If you have a big map and few units the new feature is a really PITA.

I have more than 5 years of intensive experience with this game. Intensive means playing almost every day. Most of the upgrading done by this team was really appreciated. Some new features i just don't use because i don't need/like them (the supporting range of the units on the previous patch, this "new" huge map, etc) but they don't interfere with me.

However this "unit centering" is really killing my enjoying with this game.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 7:32:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jamiam
Okay, thanks for the feedback. Incidentally, what desktop resolution are you using? I use a 1680x1050 resolution so my map area is rather large. With fairly tightly grouped formations, the map jump is rather minimal for me. I do, however, have a high tolerance for motion. I understand that for a smaller resolution, and more spread out formations, where the map jumps would be proportionally larger, they might very well be more irritating. Especially if one has a high susceptability for motion-sickness.

I use 2 resolutions, the smallest beeing 1280x1024, so i don't think that's the problem.

The problem is this new feature doesn't make much sense...

- The selected unit, if you can't find it (!?), can be centered if you click it on the unit panel. So you always had that funtion( if you really need it...). This new centering of the unit by default when using the next button is completely redundant.

- In certain ocasions the new jumping map turns the micromanagement impossible. How many times you need to have a "steady" map to get a "group picture" of some units (i.e. broken down units). If you have a big map and few units the new feature is a really PITA.

I have more than 5 years of intensive experience with this game. Intensive means playing almost every day. Most of the upgrading done by this team was really appreciated. Some new features i just don't use because i don't need/like them (the supporting range of the units on the previous patch, this "new" huge map, etc) but they don't interfere with me.

However this "unit centering" is really killing my enjoying with this game.

It'll be an option in 3.3.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 7:35:53 PM

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Ralph..

in the editor using the mouse-wheel zoom also zooms out the tiles on the right (in map draw mode).

Well, select the tile you're going to edit before you zoom.

No - doesn't work. Here is how it looks:

I think you misunderstood Bob's reply. If I'm not mistaken, he meant to select the tile before you zoom, so that it is active for painting. He did not mean that it would prevent the zoom down of the tiles in the pane. We know that it is an issue with the tile selection pane zooming down, when the map screen is zooned down in the editor. I believe that what Bob was suggesting was the work around for the behavior. If I've put the wrong words in his mouth, I'm sure he'll correct me shortly...

The problem is that TOAW expect only 1 set of tiles to be loaded. Allowing zooming in the editor seemed a nice feature, even if it wasn't fully functional as far as that panel went.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 8:20:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jamiam
Okay, thanks for the feedback. Incidentally, what desktop resolution are you using? I use a 1680x1050 resolution so my map area is rather large. With fairly tightly grouped formations, the map jump is rather minimal for me. I do, however, have a high tolerance for motion. I understand that for a smaller resolution, and more spread out formations, where the map jumps would be proportionally larger, they might very well be more irritating. Especially if one has a high susceptability for motion-sickness.

I use 2 resolutions, the smallest beeing 1280x1024, so i don't think that's the problem.

The problem is this new feature doesn't make much sense...

- The selected unit, if you can't find it (!?), can be centered if you click it on the unit panel. So you always had that funtion( if you really need it...). This new centering of the unit by default when using the next button is completely redundant.

- In certain ocasions the new jumping map turns the micromanagement impossible. How many times you need to have a "steady" map to get a "group picture" of some units (i.e. broken down units). If you have a big map and few units the new feature is a really PITA.

I have more than 5 years of intensive experience with this game. Intensive means playing almost every day. Most of the upgrading done by this team was really appreciated. Some new features i just don't use because i don't need/like them (the supporting range of the units on the previous patch, this "new" huge map, etc) but they don't interfere with me.

However this "unit centering" is really killing my enjoying with this game.

It'll be an option in 3.3.

Thanks for your attention

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 9:21:15 PM

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ok, this is again an issue with beta non public releases.. my fite oponent updated, but I cannopt dl from Matrix ftp server even with a dl service, so can we play on with two different versions . I think not but wanted to ask

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 9:26:42 PM

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ok, this is again an issue with beta non public releases.. my fite oponent updated, but I cannopt dl from Matrix ftp server even with a dl service, so can we play on with two different versions . I think not but wanted to ask

No. Sorry. The public release should be within one to two weeks, so consider this an enforced "vacation". On that particular game, at least.

What's the problem you're having with downloading from the members section?

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/3/2007 11:55:32 PM

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the last two year, from ie it will time out, from a dl manager it gives some odd msg... so I cannot truly answer your ?, and two years ago when this started happening the support folks blamed my system, may be for all I know.. running xp home, then it was xp pro, Zone alarm, I disable that and still bupkiss and run Macafee using Qwest with msn.. very soon I will change ove rto comcast server, that may help if it is network issue, if MAcaffee issue I would think it is a layered issue where I have some setting off.. but no one knows! thanks again..

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/5/2007 10:59:39 PM

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another question, where have the SS letters gone. im getting II instead?

how do i revert to the original font i dnt like this new one :(

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/6/2007 12:54:06 AM

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another question, where have the SS letters gone. im getting II instead?

how do i revert to the original font i dnt like this new one :(

Sorry Jonathan, it should not have been enabled by default. In your main TOAW III directory, open your "Opart 3 Fonts.ini" file using Notepad. There are four lines that say "windowsFont=Y". Change the "Y" to an "N" on each of the lines, then save the file. Then you will be using the TOAW III bitmapped text, instead of the Windows Fonts.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/6/2007 1:04:20 AM

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Many thanks Jamiam

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/6/2007 11:02:53 PM

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So, how is it going for the *offical* release?

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/6/2007 11:26:27 PM

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Nice one on the Weserubung for TOAW III

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/9/2007 11:28:30 PM

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Nothing new to report?

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/10/2007 1:23:53 AM

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is the 3.2 berta the beta for patch 4.0?

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/18/2007 3:46:31 PM

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What's the status on the official release of patch 3.2 guys? I didn't bother installing the beta thinking the official one would follow quickly but it seems a bit delayed. I'm eager to playtest Volume 4 of Vietnam Combat Operations with the new patch before releasing it.

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RE: TOAW 3.2 Beta Available - 9/18/2007 7:24:06 PM

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What's the status on the official release of patch 3.2 guys? I didn't bother installing the beta thinking the official one would follow quickly but it seems a bit delayed. I'm eager to playtest Volume 4 of Vietnam Combat Operations with the new patch before releasing it.

It's essentially done. The last build by Matrix had a problem with the Game Menu shortcut yielding a runtime error. Quick Start worked okay, but the Game Menu was hosed. They're looking into why it happened.

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