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Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 11:11:10 AM   
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Many(most?) of 5in,4.7in 4in naval Gun used as DP gun. But in Witp, even in Mods disregard this.

Were those DP guns useless?
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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 12:17:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes many of Japanese and British DPs were almost useless and had elevation limitations, that is the reason many are classed as naval guns. Also because the game doesnt allows for a DP range Vs Naval range.

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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 2:17:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.


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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 3:20:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rommel3

There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.



Well, effective against what? Bigger guns fire at higher targets, light AA fires at lower targets. Generally speaking, japanese AA is horrible, with the exception of the 3.9" DP gun. The opposite is true for the allies, with a few bad models but most of the rest being quite good.

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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 3:27:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rommel3

There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.



Well, effective against what? Bigger guns fire at higher targets, light AA fires at lower targets. Generally speaking, japanese AA is horrible, with the exception of the 3.9" DP gun. The opposite is true for the allies, with a few bad models but most of the rest being quite good.



You also need to consider the Fire Control. The Japanese were pretty much "look and shoot at what you see" throughout the war, while the Americans developed fire control radars fitted down to the level of the individual Quad 40mm mounts...

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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 3:33:24 PM   
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There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.



Didn't I post something on this about a year and a half ago?

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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 3:46:36 PM   
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There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.



Didn't I post something on this about a year and a half ago?



More than likely...just about every aspect of the game has been discussed at some point..

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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 5:10:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: String


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rommel3

There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.



Well, effective against what? Bigger guns fire at higher targets, light AA fires at lower targets. Generally speaking, japanese AA is horrible, with the exception of the 3.9" DP gun. The opposite is true for the allies, with a few bad models but most of the rest being quite good.



But In the pacific naval warfare It was generally low altitude. it'snt it?
My consideration is the fact japan installed many 25mm's to DDs which had useless 5"/50 and there were small DD's which have better DP gun. So Which one is better choice for AA escort as jappan side. I know generally WW2 AA guns are not trustworthy especailly japan side. but choice is choice.

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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 5:48:17 PM   
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RE: Disregarding naval DP guns in Witp - 11/4/2007 10:11:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rommel3

quote:

ORIGINAL: String


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rommel3

There are Big(jap-5"/40,USA-5/38) Small(25mm AA,20mm) AA Gun. which one is more effective? In historical term and game term

If Big one is better i gonna use more Akizuki, Matsu Class as AA escorts.



Well, effective against what? Bigger guns fire at higher targets, light AA fires at lower targets. Generally speaking, japanese AA is horrible, with the exception of the 3.9" DP gun. The opposite is true for the allies, with a few bad models but most of the rest being quite good.



But In the pacific naval warfare It was generally low altitude. it'snt it?
My consideration is the fact japan installed many 25mm's to DDs which had useless 5"/50 and there were small DD's which have better DP gun. So Which one is better choice for AA escort as jappan side. I know generally WW2 AA guns are not trustworthy especailly japan side. but choice is choice.


Best escorts for that purpose are Akizuki class. Designed with carrier escort in mind.

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