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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 12:53:04 PM

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..organic ones taste better, by a long way...

Organic is a scientific term, meaning carbon-based. So I'm inclined to agree. However, you might have some more colloquial meaning in mind.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 1:02:11 PM

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..organic ones taste better, by a long way...

Organic is a scientific term, meaning carbon-based. So I'm inclined to agree. However, you might have some more colloquial meaning in mind.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 2:11:09 PM

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..alright, raised under Soil Association Rules..

Looked this up. It seems like a pretty good approach for vegetable cultivation, where yields are reduced much less than costs. However I question whether the standards can work as well for animal cultivation- which is what AR was discussing.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 5:21:59 PM

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Nice spamming Veers. But seriously, stop it.

I am surprised thatin this whole spamed up thread that you would choose to single out only me to stop spamming.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 8:12:01 PM

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Colin: Okay, human beings are being herded into camps and gassed by the millions in Iowa. I didn't realize.

Cows, chickens, and pigs, not humans.

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Colin: They're shutting down when their readiness and supply drops below a certain level.

Nope, they are not shutting down because of readiness and supply, I made sure of that by setting the values to 100 -- please stop posting, you are clearly not paying close attention to what people are saying.

Now how did you get readiness and supply to be 100 at the end of a round of combat in which the aircraft participated? That's gotta have been some trick.

So I guess wasn't 'paying attention' to what you posted. I just foolishly assumed you hadn't done the impossible.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 8:19:11 PM

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At least three people have posted here in apparent agreement with me, which indicates that they understood me perfectly; so I don't think I've had a very hard time explaining this at all. Instead, I would suggest that certain people have a hard time understanding.

Frankly, at this point the problem isn't the suggestion: the problem is you. That's what most of us are objecting to.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 8:23:04 PM

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Cows, chickens, and pigs, not humans.

I refuse to be upset about the suffering of domestic animals. They taste too good for that.

I see it as a matter of drawing a line. I refuse to care about the feelings of a chicken. Sometimes I get a tad queasy about veal, and I feel sorry for dairy cows when I actually see them, but that's about it.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 9:53:09 PM

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unhealthy ? for who, please clarify...

Industrial agriculture is unhealthy for farm workers who are exposed to particulate contaminents from manure, grain, and numerous chemicals. Meanwhile, the system is obviously unhealthy for the animals which are often diseased. Ultimately, it is also unhealthy for the consumer, who then eats the unhealthy animal, along with little bits of cancer, high horomone levels, and chemical additives. Go ahead and eat that crap tho, I don't really care about you.

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i must assume that you took photos and passed these , along with sworn statments to the local animal welfare people, the Police, and the Dept of Agriculture for the county and assured yourself of the prosecution of the people involved with such bad husbandry practises ?

You know, I think PETA has enough videos like that, and it's obviously not enough to make a difference with people like you see here on this message board; meanwhile, the law allows many unreasonable practices, and where it doesn't, the law is not enforced.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 11:04:20 PM

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This thread is forever delegated to the Hall of Spam.

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PETA

Is there a point to this anymore? From airplanes to PETA to pita? How about some tacos?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/19/2007 11:29:03 PM

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This isn't just an issue of convenience. If the turn ends early, you can find all your air units in "rest" for the duration of the enemy player turn. That means spending the enemy turn without air support, even if you have air supremacy. It's similar to the issue that wishlist item 7.12.2 tries to address.

This is incorrect. Air units that are forced into into rest by the engine, during the player turn, will return to previously assigned missions. This happens during the next ABP, if the air units readiness is high enough. If you have evidence contrary to this, please provide a test scenario and instruction set to demonstrate otherwise.

Not sure what ABP is. But I think you're talking about air units joining an air battle triggered by enemy bombers. That's a valid point, but what if the enemy unit doesn't use or have any air units? Would ground assaults alone trigger the defender air units out of rest?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 12:41:45 AM

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The problem is that no one wants to pay $8.64 for a Whopper at Burger King, and in fact, the upshot of any major changes would simply be fewer cows. Dunno about the outlook of cows on death, but generally, existence is preferable to non-existence.

At any rate, it's not simply a matter of 'be nice to the cows.' For most cows, requiring that they be treated nicely means that they don't get to exist at all. It's like we could have a completely free anarchist republic here in the US. Just reduce the population to twenty million and we won't even need traffic laws. Hard luck on the 280 million who will have to be deported to bring this happy state of affairs about, of course...

Now, perhaps there are other arguments, but generally these (health risks, supposedly harmful additives, etc) are generally arguments against having the cows at all, not for being kind to them. The fact is that caring for bossy is a drag regardless of whether bossy being drugged, and that if bossy is treated nicely, she'll cost more, and that means fewer bossies.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 2:15:55 AM

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The problem is that no one wants to pay $8.64 for a Whopper...

Sorry dude, I have no respect for your cuisine, or your culture. I think its immoral, unhealthy, disgusting, and ridiculous. You can sit around justifying the economics all day, but it won't make a difference to me. If you want to drink milk with feces in it, eat meat from diseased animals who were tortured, and consume large quantities of mutant corn biproducts... well, just don't come whining to me when you get cancer.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 3:02:21 AM

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Evidence? Those things don't even cause cancer....

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 3:22:13 AM

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This thread is forever delegated to the Hall of Spam.

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PETA

Is there a point to this anymore? From airplanes to PETA to pita? How about some tacos?

I'll take the special, with extra I dunno, what do you put on a taco, anyways?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 3:24:03 AM

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The problem is that no one wants to pay $8.64 for a Whopper...

Sorry dude, I have no respect for your cuisine, or your culture. I think its immoral, unhealthy, disgusting, and ridiculous. You can sit around justifying the economics all day, but it won't make a difference to me. If you want to drink milk with feces in it, eat meat from diseased animals who were tortured, and consume large quantities of mutant corn biproducts... well, just don't come whining to me when you get cancer.

Adam, you make up the most interesting stories. Tell us another one.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 3:34:10 AM

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This isn't just an issue of convenience. If the turn ends early, you can find all your air units in "rest" for the duration of the enemy player turn. That means spending the enemy turn without air support, even if you have air supremacy. It's similar to the issue that wishlist item 7.12.2 tries to address.

This is incorrect. Air units that are forced into into rest by the engine, during the player turn, will return to previously assigned missions. This happens during the next ABP, if the air units readiness is high enough. If you have evidence contrary to this, please provide a test scenario and instruction set to demonstrate otherwise.

Not sure what ABP is. But I think you're talking about air units joining an air battle triggered by enemy bombers. That's a valid point, but what if the enemy unit doesn't use or have any air units? Would ground assaults alone trigger the defender air units out of rest?

The Automatic Bookkeeping Phase. We'll have to check the cases, and the code, now that Ralph is back. I know that physically setting a unit to rest works differently than being forced into rest. I don't know the number of cases defined though. We can get Ralph to check that section of the code, then we'll look it over in the development forum, test the cases and determine whether any changes need to be coded.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 3:34:36 AM

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Seriously, though, small amounts of contamination do enter the milk, although many companies have the milk purified (not sure about school milk), and freezing kills nearly all of the bacteria. By mutant corn, I assume you mean chemical contamination, such as with cadmium, since mutations in plants are inevitable, and such mutations, whether natural or manmade, have saved millions of lives over the past decades. Animal torture is a whole other can of worms, unless you're one of those people who say that any suffering on the cow's part leads to the release of harmful toxins that linger in the meat.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 4:01:57 AM

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reezing kills nearly all of the bacteria

So go ahead, drink milk with bacteria-free feces; maybe it's officially healthy, but I'll be over here avoiding all the weird growth horomones and stuff.

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By mutant corn, I assume you mean chemical contamination, such as with cadmium

Oh my, yah, I mean a lot more than just cadmium; maybe you should read a book on genetic engineering?

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...unless you're one of those people who say that any suffering on the cow's part leads to the release of harmful toxins that linger in the meat.

Actually yah, high-stress levels lower the quality of meat and make it more acidic.

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Adam, you make up the most interesting stories. Tell us another one.

Someday the space aliens are going to come, and they'll take all the vegetarians up into the comet to live happily, and then they'll eat the meat-eaters.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 4:09:03 AM

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Uhh, yeah. Genetic engineering is bad, how... Just like selective breeding of plants was bad too.

I don't mind the hormones. I don't seem to be growing breasts.

I don't even eat beef - never liked the taste. Tell me, what interesting things do you know about chickens?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 4:50:00 AM

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Genetic engineering is bad, how... Just like selective breeding of plants was bad...

Only someone completely ignorant of the subject would try to equate those techniques.

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Tell me, what interesting things do you know about chickens?

Go read a book about it?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 5:04:29 AM

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So what are you worried about, hmm? Vague health risks, or biodiversity, perhaps? Or do you want to wait for more research?

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Go read a book about it?

So you know nothing about it?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 5:42:01 AM

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reezing kills nearly all of the bacteria

So go ahead, drink milk with bacteria-free feces; maybe it's officially healthy, but I'll be over here avoiding all the weird growth horomones and stuff.

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By mutant corn, I assume you mean chemical contamination, such as with cadmium

Oh my, yah, I mean a lot more than just cadmium; maybe you should read a book on genetic engineering?

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...unless you're one of those people who say that any suffering on the cow's part leads to the release of harmful toxins that linger in the meat.

Actually yah, high-stress levels lower the quality of meat and make it more acidic.

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Adam, you make up the most interesting stories. Tell us another one.

Someday the space aliens are going to come, and they'll take all the vegetarians up into the comet to live happily, and then they'll eat the meat-eaters.

Where are you, anyways, Adam? Country wise. Not that I want ot know simply so I can cut the internet to that area so we don't have to deal with you anymore, what gave you that idea? :P

And what, Mr. Know-it-All about something (finally) can't answer Desert's question?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 7:49:27 AM

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The problem is that no one wants to pay $8.64 for a Whopper...

Sorry dude, I have no respect for your cuisine, or your culture.

'Your.' That's interesting. You can't mean me specifically: you have no idea what I eat, nor what books I read, nor what music I listen to, nor what painters I like.

On the other hand, seeing as you hail from Iowa, the notion that you're referring to American culture in general when you say 'your' is pretty much dead in the water. After all, how could one be more quintessentially American than you?

So what did you mean when you said 'I have no respect for your cuisine, or your culture'? Seeing as how it was a grossly insulting remark and all.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 7:53:01 AM

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Seriously, though, small amounts of contamination do enter the milk, although many companies have the milk purified (not sure about school milk), and freezing kills nearly all of the bacteria. By mutant corn, I assume you mean chemical contamination, such as with cadmium, since mutations in plants are inevitable, and such mutations, whether natural or manmade, have saved millions of lives over the past decades. Animal torture is a whole other can of worms, unless you're one of those people who say that any suffering on the cow's part leads to the release of harmful toxins that linger in the meat.

You don't seriously think this will affect his beliefs, do you?

Personally, I think he got rejected by all those Iowa farm boys, and so is taking refuge in all this hyper-organic, save the cows crap. He could care less about about the cows -- and could care less about his diet. He just wants to feel superior to all those guys who kicked the crap out of him and then took his girlfriend.

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 10:25:46 AM

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Nice spamming Veers. But seriously, stop it.

I am surprised thatin this whole spamed up thread that you would choose to single out only me to stop spamming.

So you're a victim now? I only looked at posts made after my question, and you stood with your spam that made no sense whatsoever. Furthermore your spamming was insulting and targeted at a specific member, whetever or not he deserved it I do not care. I however do not want such an athmospehere here, because eventually it will ruin this forum.

Now, can you stop it or not?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 10:38:52 AM

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Colin: Personally, I think he got rejected by all those Iowa farm boys, and so is taking refuge in all this hyper-organic, save the cows crap. He could care less about about the cows -- and could care less about his diet. He just wants to feel superior to all those guys who kicked the crap out of him and then took his girlfriend.

Lol!

Imagine if I started talking that way to members of the forum; hmm, is there a hypocritical double-standard here?

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RE: why do air units rest so much? - 11/20/2007 11:16:05 AM

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I think it's a good time to lock down this thread before it devolves any further. Gents, please refrain from personal attacks, whether blatant, or underhanded.

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