Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: stuman

I guess it is too late to request that Memphis, Tennessee be shown on the map

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ORIGINAL: stuman

I guess it is too late to request that Memphis, Tennessee be shown on the map

WitP AE - Test team lead, programmer

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ORIGINAL: stuman

I guess it is too late to request that Memphis, Tennessee be shown on the map

Art by the Rogue-USMC

WITP Admiral's Edition: Ship & Sub Art/Base Unit Art/Map Icon Art

"If destruction be our lot - it will come from within"...Abraham Lincoln

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

I know the issue of distortion was addressed a while ago but I was wondering how happy the map team is with making this fit. Obviously the problem gets bigger the further away from teh equator you get. SO the NoPAC and southern OZ/NZ would be the most effected. I beleive it was said that Oz was 30% too large on the orginal WItP map. Is it any better on the AE map?

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Thinking backing to the old SPI WItP board game (if you could call a game that took up half my basement a board game) the designers took a very interesting appraoch to the problem. The map was devided into three sections: Tropical, Temperate, and Cold (vs Artic because that would be incorrect below the equator). Hexes were 60 NM in Tropical Zone, 50 NM in the Temperate Zone, and 40 NM in the Cold Zone. Took a slide rule to figure out air ranges and ship speeds when they crossed a zone but the data was expressed in NM not hexes. Actually it was all done in 10 nm increments so 6,5, 4 per hex respectively.

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Just wondering hwo well the squeezed AE map deal with it

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ORIGINAL: wdolson
Either the map would have to be made 20 hexes wider, or everything shifted 20 hexes. Most players wouldn't want to give up most of India to get more of the US. They'd probably lynch you.

Bill

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ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans

@ Andrew

production of crude oil in the DEI in 1940 (in 1.000kg)

West Java 24
Midden Java 136.469 (Tjepoe)
Oost Java 703.001 (Soerabaja)
Palembang 3.077.557
Djambi 1.210.398 (the oil was pipelined to Palembang)
Oostkust Sumatra 156.488 (Pangkalanbrandan and Pangkalansoesoe)
Atjeh 764.488 (Lho Semawe, Lokop and Koeala Simpang)
Borneo 1.793.148 (Balikpapan, Samarinda and Tarakan; the oil near Samarinda was pipelined to Balikpapan)
Ceram 93.231 (Boela)
Nieuw Guinea 4410 (Babo; oil field still under development in 1941)

oil refineries were available at Pangkalanbrandan, Tjepoe, Soerabaja (Wonokromo),
Palembang (Pladjoe and Soengei Gerong), Kapoean (near Djokjakarta) and Balikpapan

Source: A.J.Th. Boester Nederlands-Indie contra Japan volume II

Harald

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

I have a key distance question related to distortion and hex size. Has the distance between Cooktown and Port Moresby been fixed from stock? In stock, it was 9 hexes or 540 miles (Google Earth lists it at 430). The 9 hex distance is outside the 8 hex range of a B25C/J, so the only way to hit PM from Queensland is by using 4Es (Hudsons can do it too, for all the good that does). This contributes significantly to the inability of the Allies to hold and/or reduce the base. In reality, both the B25C and J could have made the run.

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ORIGINAL: USS America

Andrew, I'm a map geek, and I just want to say that you are my hero! 

The wallpaper on my laptop is the Stock map graphic that someone put together from the individual map files.  I would like to order an AE map composite file, please. 

Thanks for all the hard work and incredible attention to detail. 

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

I have a key distance question related to distortion and hex size. Has the distance between Cooktown and Port Moresby been fixed from stock? In stock, it was 9 hexes or 540 miles (Google Earth lists it at 430). The 9 hex distance is outside the 8 hex range of a B25C/J, so the only way to hit PM from Queensland is by using 4Es (Hudsons can do it too, for all the good that does). This contributes significantly to the inability of the Allies to hold and/or reduce the base. In reality, both the B25C and J could have made the run.

On the AE map, the distance between Cooktown and PM is also 9 hexes. But AE hexes are 40 nautical miles per hex (so smaller than stock hexes). Looking at the stats for the B-25s in AE I can see that this is within extended range of the B-25B, B-25H, B-25J1 and B-25J11, and within normal range (just) of the B-25C and B-25G. I hope that answers the question?

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

I have a key distance question related to distortion and hex size. Has the distance between Cooktown and Port Moresby been fixed from stock? In stock, it was 9 hexes or 540 miles (Google Earth lists it at 430). The 9 hex distance is outside the 8 hex range of a B25C/J, so the only way to hit PM from Queensland is by using 4Es (Hudsons can do it too, for all the good that does). This contributes significantly to the inability of the Allies to hold and/or reduce the base. In reality, both the B25C and J could have made the run.

On the AE map, the distance between Cooktown and PM is also 9 hexes. But AE hexes are 40 nautical miles per hex (so smaller than stock hexes). Looking at the stats for the B-25s in AE I can see that this is within extended range of the B-25B, B-25H, B-25J1 and B-25J11, and within normal range (just) of the B-25C and B-25G. I hope that answers the question?

Andrew

Perfect. Thanks Andrew. 9*40*6000/5280 = 409 miles. Much, much closer to reality for this important relationship--and within the appropriate range of the various models of B25.

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

Great stuff Harald, as always! This corresponds pretty closely with what I already had, but I have made use of these figures to fine tune the data. The biggest change is that your figures indicate that there was a lot more oil being produced at Soerabaja than I realised.

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

I have a key distance question related to distortion and hex size. Has the distance between Cooktown and Port Moresby been fixed from stock? In stock, it was 9 hexes or 540 miles (Google Earth lists it at 430). The 9 hex distance is outside the 8 hex range of a B25C/J, so the only way to hit PM from Queensland is by using 4Es (Hudsons can do it too, for all the good that does). This contributes significantly to the inability of the Allies to hold and/or reduce the base. In reality, both the B25C and J could have made the run.

On the AE map, the distance between Cooktown and PM is also 9 hexes. But AE hexes are 40 nautical miles per hex (so smaller than stock hexes). Looking at the stats for the B-25s in AE I can see that this is within extended range of the B-25B, B-25H, B-25J1 and B-25J11, and within normal range (just) of the B-25C and B-25G. I hope that answers the question?

Andrew

Perfect. Thanks Andrew. 9*40*6000/5280 = 409 miles. Much, much closer to reality for this important relationship--and within the appropriate range of the various models of B25.

Andrew pioneered the concept of extended maps for WITP. It is not a new thing to him. IIRC to get his first (shared) map, he pulled some things over, angled other things, and when done started measuring one point against another, many different angles to get the locations pretty close to where they belonged in relation to one another. Lots of triangulation checks.
When CHS was released with the extended map, I suspect at least a quarter of the WITP freaks went with it, (and would never look back.)
For those wanting "more" WITP, an extended map was the only way to fly, since it offered "more" of the theatre, and opened other areas of strategic consideration.
Mr Brown will not toot his own horn, he seems too busy.........

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

Was looking at the AAR's belwo and .....

If it not too nitpicky, caould you guys change it from PH to Oahu? I have always hated this. The bases on the Island are far more than just PH (hickam, Wheelr, Ewa, Bellows, etc, etc, etc)

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ORIGINAL: RevRick

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

Was looking at the AAR's belwo and .....

If it not too nitpicky, caould you guys change it from PH to Oahu? I have always hated this. The bases on the Island are far more than just PH (hickam, Wheelr, Ewa, Bellows, etc, etc, etc)

Do you really mean that???? You know this will set the timetable back by at least 60 days, and that's if Terminus doesn't get ahold of it before the others...

I don't care it they call it Tishamingo as long as the game gets out....