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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/9/2008 10:56:31 AM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/9/2008 10:58:12 AM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/9/2008 10:59:20 AM   
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You can see that there was done some damge




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/9/2008 6:26:33 PM   
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But they were surprisingly effective.
Targets were a suburb of Hamburg, the Hamburg Port and a few smaller targets around Hamburg.

The score really looks nice now




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/9/2008 10:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there any specific reason to still use Brunswick instead of Braunschweig? All other targets seem to use a proper german or french name.

Is there a problem calculating the combat, real and extended ranges ? The Halifax II screen shows 1106 combat, 1300 real and 1214 extended ?!? The Stirling III screen looks better with 1070, 1253 and 1476 although both Stirlings seem way overranged (especially with full bombload).

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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 9:14:37 AM   
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Again they come in strength and a maximum response is ordered, hopefully conditions will allow for more interceptions. Two large streams approache but controllers have difficulty identifying the target. Despite many nightfighters inserting themselves into both streams and following the bombers to their targets the results are poor. 47 bombers are destroyed, 15 of them claimed by flak. Our only consolation is because of thick cloud over Lincolnshire and Yorkshire many bombers crash whilst trying to land.

Allied nightfighters make a number of interceptions against our fighters that have got into the stream. Not only do they jam our radar but now we are also the hunted. Again our cities burn.

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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 1:08:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Denniss

Is there any specific reason to still use Brunswick instead of Braunschweig? All other targets seem to use a proper german or french name.
I would have to say, most names come from the doc's, I have never
seen it by that name in any of the Allied doc's

Is there a problem calculating the combat, real and extended ranges ? The Halifax II screen shows 1106 combat, 1300 real and 1214 extended ?!? The Stirling III screen looks better with 1070, 1253 and 1476 although both Stirlings seem way overranged (especially with full bombload).

you have to remember that those stats are for me, and that part of them have nothing to do with bombers

I get 2330 max range, I do see some places with a range of 590 with full load, 2010 with 3500 pounds, so I am reading that 590 as radius



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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 5:24:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		once again the plan was to hit a main target and several smaller ones around it.
This time the big target was Frankfurt am main (500 A/C), with the targetsfor the smaller raids: Wiesbaden, Darmstadt, Mainz, Ludwigshafen, Worms and Bad Kreuznach.

The plan was to hit Frankfurt am main from the Northeast and the Southwest at the same time.
The two Halifax streams went the long way around the Ruhr, moving towards Kassel and making additional corners to confuse the Axis. This raid was escorted by several NI streams and one of the Wellie RCM squadrons.

The Lancaster raids ( and all raids to the other targets) crossed the Channel at the French/Belgium border and went south east more or less a short direct way to Frankfurt ( or other important Axis targets)

The outbound way of all these raids were more or less the same - along the French German border, and later over the Netherlands and Belgium.

The Mossie raid including the Mossie RCMs went over the Ruhr along the Rhine southwards and marked the target.





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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 5:26:00 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 5:28:35 PM   
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We also saw a first in this game - NIs attacking enemy NFs while flying in stream ( and not above airfields )




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 5:30:15 PM   
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The next turn will see no action - 80+ clouds over most of the map.




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/10/2008 9:07:29 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 1:01:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge


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ORIGINAL: Denniss

Is there any specific reason to still use Brunswick instead of Braunschweig? All other targets seem to use a proper german or french name.
I would have to say, most names come from the doc's, I have never
seen it by that name in any of the Allied doc's





You'd better make a decision to either use localized names for all cities/targets (without special characters) or english names for all locations. Such an intermix does not look good.

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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 1:10:07 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:25:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 13 will see a huge effort to destroy remaining important targets at Hamburg.
This could be a dangerous plan......but we will try to attack only targets in and around Hamburg with my streams ( OILS, PORTS and area bombing )




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:27:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a close up at the target with most of the flypaths above Hamburg.

The aim is to destroy valuable industry (OILS) and destroy the remaining undamaged area.




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:29:42 PM   
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here is the campaign info




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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:30:43 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:31:52 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:32:53 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:34:29 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:36:06 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 6:37:19 PM   
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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 7:14:04 PM   
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Multiple Allied streams are detected heading in over Holland and the North Sea. After the recent poor showing by our nightfighters Stab XII.Fl.Kps. is determined to bring down more bombers. This night more nightfighter sorties are flown than on any previous night (214 total).

The streams meander over northern Germany and in across the sea but it looks like they are going to converge on Hamburg. Even though the target area is identified relatively quickly and fighters are already in the streams the weather looks like it is going to hamper our efforts. Small gaps in the cloud appear over Hamburg and some of the more experienced pilots are able to engage but on the whole the results are disappointing. 57 bombers are bought down (16 by flak), this is just not good enough. Hamburg burns again.

FuG 202 is practically useless now. FuG 212 gave some of contacts (22 total) but only 3 of these were converted to engagements (visual) because of the thick cloud.

We hear that Kammhuber is to see "Fatty" to answer for his failure to destroy the British, rumour has it he is to be stripped of his command and sent to the Arctic. It appears he is to be made a scapegoat for failures of those above him. The usual story.

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RE: joint AAR Nachtjagd 1 - VonShagmeister vs swift - 11/11/2008 10:06:50 PM   
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1st nightfighter kill of scenario Obfw Werner Pruckner

Turn 1 (22Aug43)
54 sorties; 15 bombers destroyed (8 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 2; Interceptions - 0

Turn 2
15 sorties; 1 bomber destroyed (1 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0

Turn 3
0 sorties

Turn 4
95 sorties; 133 bombers destroyed (43 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 1; Interceptions - 1
FuG 212: Detections - 13; Interceptions - 8

Turn 5
36 sorties; 9 bombers destroyed (1 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 3; Interceptions - 3

Turn 6
55 sorties; 9 bombers destroyed (5 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 2; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 5; Interceptions - 0

Turn 7
32 sorties; 1 bomber destroyed (0 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0

Turn 8
0 sorties

Turn 9
137 sorties; 35 bombers destroyed (13 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 24; Interceptions - 3

Turn 10
36 sorties; 1 bomber destroyed (0 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 0; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 6; Interceptions - 1

Turn 11
119 sorties; 47 bombers destroyed (15 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 3; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 29; Interceptions - 3

Turn 12
0 sorties

Turn 13
214 sorties; 57 bombers destroyed (16 flak)
FuG 202: Detections - 1; Interceptions - 0
FuG 212: Detections - 22; Interceptions - 3

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