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A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 1:36:26 AM

iamspamus

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Hey ME and all,

So, I was playing as France, killed everything and conquered all, and then am currently playing Austria. Here are some comments and such, in no particular order.

1. Still think that Turkey should control Dardanelles access. They did. Make it a specific access request like other land requests.

2. Is it in the works to get rid of the bug that says you can't reach a minor? Or at least make it a note not a hindrance? I have had two issues with it.

--a. I have a fully loaded transport ready to invade and errrrrrcchhhhh, can't do it.
--b. Built a depot on a previous land turn. Purchased troops and an empty corps. During Reinf phase, I'll place the corps and new troops to sneakily dow the minor. But alas, I get the damn "Can't dow" message. So, I place the troops and corps down to dow the FOLLOWING turn, but on the same turn France also dows the minor (hadn't for 8 months) causing me to go to war...bollocks.

3. Was playing Turkey - I marched an army from Trip towards Cyrenacia placing depots as I went. Then advanced a corps from Egypt. Combined them to attack the stupid Cyrenacians and of course lost the battle (twice!). But the dumb thing was that it retreated me toward Egypt and AWAY from my depot. Huh? Trip was closer than Cairo, so that shouldn't factor in.

4. Am I correct in noting that if ONE guy forages then the rest of the force can't assault? If so, that is pretty rubbish.

So, as France to make sure this doesn't happen, I have to go around and auto siege 30 units? What am I missing?

5. Small pet peeve. When fighting a battle and losing...I know, I know. It so RARELY happens,

but anyway, if you click on a cav line on a unit, you get a pop-up stating that you have to pick a cav first. So, then you have to close that and hit cav then continue on. Whereas at other times you can just mouse over a units strength type (mil, inf, or cav) and click to reduce them. If it's automatic that you have to lose a cav first, why not just have the cav button chosen?

6. Playing the Austrians fighting the UBER-TURKS (see other thread: Death to Turkey) - The Turks were blockaded into Constantinople by the dirty Russians. I was besieging Const and finally broke in there. Next thing I knew the Turkish fleet was in Smyrna. Are they not scuttled? It is possible that they fought a battle and won. Is that the case?

7. On another note, why the heck does the AI use a light fleet to blockade a "real" fleet with heavies? Example: Whole French and Dutch fleet in Toulon blockaded by one lone British fleet or the whole Turkish fleet blockaded by one lone Russian fleet. AND they just sit there�not killing the blockading fleet. That would be ground meat to me.

8. I had a question on the placement and use of the Insurrection corps, but it is being answered on another thread.

Well, it�s 1:30am, so I�m off to bed. Thanks for all of the hard work, ME.

Jason

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 3:37:37 AM

ndrose

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quote:

4. Am I correct in noting that if ONE guy forages then the rest of the force can't assault? If so, that is pretty rubbish. So, as France to make sure this doesn't happen, I have to go around and auto siege 30 units? What am I missing?

That one drives me crazy too. Either the non-foraging units should be able to siege, or at least there should be a button that allows you to not-forage for particular units so that you can then hit the auto-forage for the rest.

As it is, I try to remember to march around in circles a little first if I want to besiege after a battle.

Re: the Turkish fleet--yes, I think they won. As per your following point, Russia tends to blockade with am insufficient fleet (7 lights), so Turkey can usually break out.

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 5:43:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: ndrose

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4. Am I correct in noting that if ONE guy forages then the rest of the force can't assault? If so, that is pretty rubbish. So, as France to make sure this doesn't happen, I have to go around and auto siege 30 units? What am I missing?

That one drives me crazy too. Either the non-foraging units should be able to siege, or at least there should be a button that allows you to not-forage for particular units so that you can then hit the auto-forage for the rest.

As it is, I try to remember to march around in circles a little first if I want to besiege after a battle.

Re: the Turkish fleet--yes, I think they won. As per your following point, Russia tends to blockade with am insufficient fleet (7 lights), so Turkey can usually break out.

Think i might be to blame for this.
As for EIA i think it was in the rules, think it was.
EIA_RULE:
7.5.4 SIEGES: These represent the surrounding and reduction of garrisoned enemy cities. A major power's corps may besiege any occupied city in territory controlled by a major power or minor neutral with which it is at war or any city occupied by enemy troops wherever it is located. Guerillas, freikorps and cossacks may only conduct sieges in conjunction with friendly corps. Depot garrisons may never take part in sieges. The forces besieging a city are the "besiegers", and the garrison inside the city are the "defenders". A phasing force that just attacked and won a field or trivial combat in an area may then besiege an enemy city in that same area if all corps in the, phasing force used depot (regular, sea and/or invasion) supply, and/or did not use unused movement points to modify a foraging roll (see 7.4.1.2.2).

Regards
Bresh

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 8:50:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bresh

quote:

ORIGINAL: ndrose

quote:

4. Am I correct in noting that if ONE guy forages then the rest of the force can't assault? If so, that is pretty rubbish. So, as France to make sure this doesn't happen, I have to go around and auto siege 30 units? What am I missing?

That one drives me crazy too. Either the non-foraging units should be able to siege, or at least there should be a button that allows you to not-forage for particular units so that you can then hit the auto-forage for the rest.

As it is, I try to remember to march around in circles a little first if I want to besiege after a battle.

Re: the Turkish fleet--yes, I think they won. As per your following point, Russia tends to blockade with am insufficient fleet (7 lights), so Turkey can usually break out.

Think i might be to blame for this.
As for EIA i think it was in the rules, think it was.
EIA_RULE:
7.5.4 SIEGES: These represent the surrounding and reduction of garrisoned enemy cities. A major power's corps may besiege any occupied city in territory controlled by a major power or minor neutral with which it is at war or any city occupied by enemy troops wherever it is located. Guerillas, freikorps and cossacks may only conduct sieges in conjunction with friendly corps. Depot garrisons may never take part in sieges. The forces besieging a city are the "besiegers", and the garrison inside the city are the "defenders". A phasing force that just attacked and won a field or trivial combat in an area may then besiege an enemy city in that same area if all corps in the, phasing force used depot (regular, sea and/or invasion) supply, and/or did not use unused movement points to modify a foraging roll (see 7.4.1.2.2).

Regards
Bresh

But if you look at my example above then that means that with France and near 30 corps (including minors), I have to singularly hit the single auto forage button say 26 times, to avoid getting penalized.

I haven't completely checked this (cause it was winter, I think), but if the stack is ALREADY BESIEGING, then, at least once, I hit the auto forage all and the stack (maybe because it was sieging) still drew supply from a depot. It's just frustrating.

Jason

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 9:01:00 AM

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Move corps into city "siege-mode" if you want to lay siege in a area.
Offcourse you can only autoforage in area 6(or 5 for home province) while laying siege.
So if you can not autoforage, you will be paying supply.

I dont see it as a problem, before it was not good almost to cheap to take provinces, in EIA as far as i remember, you can not select to use only a fraction of the corps present to siege.
Im happy its fixed, unless im wrong about how it worked in EIA.

Regards
Bresh

< Message edited by bresh -- 12/2/2008 9:03:25 AM >

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 1:53:16 PM

Marshall Ellis

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bresh

Move corps into city "siege-mode" if you want to lay siege in a area.
Offcourse you can only autoforage in area 6(or 5 for home province) while laying siege.
So if you can not autoforage, you will be paying supply.

I dont see it as a problem, before it was not good almost to cheap to take provinces, in EIA as far as i remember, you can not select to use only a fraction of the corps present to siege.
Im happy its fixed, unless im wrong about how it worked in EIA.

Regards
Bresh

My original programming (The wrong way :-)) allowed sieges to be partial this but in EiA (And now EiANW) ALL corps must participate. I'm sorry but this is the way it should be and this has even bit me a few times. Be careful when about to siege a city.

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 2:08:24 PM

iamspamus

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How about a forage all, except "sieging or potential sieging" button?
Jason

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ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

quote:

ORIGINAL: bresh

Move corps into city "siege-mode" if you want to lay siege in a area.
Offcourse you can only autoforage in area 6(or 5 for home province) while laying siege.
So if you can not autoforage, you will be paying supply.

I dont see it as a problem, before it was not good almost to cheap to take provinces, in EIA as far as i remember, you can not select to use only a fraction of the corps present to siege.
Im happy its fixed, unless im wrong about how it worked in EIA.

Regards
Bresh

My original programming (The wrong way :-)) allowed sieges to be partial this but in EiA (And now EiANW) ALL corps must participate. I'm sorry but this is the way it should be and this has even bit me a few times. Be careful when about to siege a city.

< Message edited by iamspamus -- 12/2/2008 2:19:19 PM >

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 3:13:16 PM

ndrose

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quote:

Move corps into city "siege-mode" if you want to lay siege in a area.
Offcourse you can only autoforage in area 6(or 5 for home province) while laying siege.
So if you can not autoforage, you will be paying supply.

I dont see it as a problem, before it was not good almost to cheap to take provinces, in EIA as far as i remember, you can not select to use only a fraction of the corps present to siege.
Im happy its fixed, unless im wrong about how it worked in EIA.

Regards
Bresh

Not allowing partial sieges after combat seems reasonable to me; but the specific problem Jason is talking about is in the first month: you can't move into siege position until after you fight the combat, naturally--but this means that if you want to besiege in case of victory, you can't forage any of those corps. Also fine. BUT it is mechanically difficult to make the game do that. You either have to go around to all your OTHER corps and forage them manually (so that you don't hit the autoforage button at all), or adopt my "march in circles before engaging the enemy" method. Why not have a manual don't-forage (i.e. pay for supply) button?

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/2/2008 5:29:17 PM

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Sorry. What he said. Basically, it is a clunky and time consuming process to forage all of the other corps, but not the ones that will choose to siege.

Jason

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ORIGINAL: ndrose

quote:

Move corps into city "siege-mode" if you want to lay siege in a area.
Offcourse you can only autoforage in area 6(or 5 for home province) while laying siege.
So if you can not autoforage, you will be paying supply.

I dont see it as a problem, before it was not good almost to cheap to take provinces, in EIA as far as i remember, you can not select to use only a fraction of the corps present to siege.
Im happy its fixed, unless im wrong about how it worked in EIA.

Regards
Bresh

Not allowing partial sieges after combat seems reasonable to me; but the specific problem Jason is talking about is in the first month: you can't move into siege position until after you fight the combat, naturally--but this means that if you want to besiege in case of victory, you can't forage any of those corps. Also fine. BUT it is mechanically difficult to make the game do that. You either have to go around to all your OTHER corps and forage them manually (so that you don't hit the autoforage button at all), or adopt my "march in circles before engaging the enemy" method. Why not have a manual don't-forage (i.e. pay for supply) button?

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/3/2008 12:41:27 PM

Marshall Ellis

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You mean something like a "do not forage" setting for each corps?

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/3/2008 2:41:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

You mean something like a "do not forage" setting for each corps?

If by "setting" you mean going into a standing order menu, I think an ordinary button would be easier. Similar to the manual forage button, only it would manually use paid supply. Select the corps, click the button, that's what it does for that month.

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RE: A mish-mosh of musings, suggestions, and issues - 12/4/2008 11:00:08 AM

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Got it.
Got it as in I understand ;-)

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