Matrix Games Forums

 Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

Confused .....Commonwealth?

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> War In The Pacific - Struggle Against Japan 1941 - 1945 >> Confused .....Commonwealth? Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 4:35:58 AM   
Menser

 

Posts: 206
Joined: 5/2/2005
From: Peabody, Massachusetts
Status: offline 		OK ...started a new game to try CHS ..... Though this confused me before in stock ...... I see alot of ships listed as Indian, Austrailian, Canadian, New Zealand, and ummm .....Commonwealth. Ummm, errrr isn't the New Zealand , Austrailian, ect., ect., Gurka, ect. (I.E anything not Allied Dutch, American, French, Chinese, and Japanese) Commonwealth forces? Are these just a generic designation for units with no specific oregin?

< Message edited by Menser -- 12/20/2008 6:51:53 AM >

_____________________________

"Alea iacta est." Caius Julius
"If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing." Emo Philips
"Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." Abbot Arnaud Amalric
Post #: 1
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 7:10:02 AM   
bradfordkay

 

Posts: 8683
Joined: 3/24/2002
From: Olympia, WA
Status: offline 		Commonwealth ships could be from South Africa, Hong Kong, Bahamas or any of the other Britsih possessions that don't make up their own seperate nationality in this game. 

_____________________________

fair winds,
Brad

(in reply to Menser)
Post #: 2
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 7:16:50 AM   
Dixie


Posts: 10303
Joined: 3/10/2006
From: UK
Status: offline 		Also several Norwegian ships iirc.

_____________________________



Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to bradfordkay)
Post #: 3
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 9:28:34 AM   
Splinterhead


Posts: 335
Joined: 8/31/2002
From: Lenoir City, TN
Status: offline 		...and one Greek, I believe (Averof)

(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 4
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 9:39:40 AM   
m10bob


Posts: 8622
Joined: 11/3/2002
From: Dismal Seepage Indiana
Status: offline 		Several of our friends on the forum may correct me, but IIRC ANZACs do not like being referred to as "Commonwealth"?

_____________________________




(in reply to Splinterhead)
Post #: 5
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 10:43:30 AM   
Terminus


Posts: 41459
Joined: 4/23/2005
From: Denmark
Status: offline 		That's why they're not, in the game...

_____________________________

We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.

(in reply to m10bob)
Post #: 6
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 10:55:46 AM   
Reg


Posts: 2787
Joined: 5/26/2000
From: NSW, Australia
Status: offline 		Not at all. In fact, Australia’s formal name is the Commonwealth of Australia (see http://www.australia.gov.au/Our_Government)

The generally accepted usage of the term 'The Commonwealth' is for the 'Commonwealth of Nations' which includes the other British aligned nations as stated above.

quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations

The Commonwealth of Nations, usually known as the Commonwealth, is a voluntary association of 53 independent sovereign states, most of which are former British colonies, or dependencies of these colonies (the exceptions being the United Kingdom itself and Mozambique).

No single government in the Commonwealth, British or otherwise, exercises power over the others, as in a political union. Rather, the relationship is one of an international organisation through which countries with diverse social, political, and economic backgrounds are regarded as equal in status, and co-operate within a framework of common values and goals, as outlined in the Singapore Declaration.


The only time it is an issue is when it was used to overlook credit where credit was due, a.k.a. MacArthur's usage of the terms 'American' and 'Allied' in publicity releases.... (Churchill was not innocent of this either...)

However, the term 'British Possession' might raise a few hackles in this day and age...

< Message edited by Reg -- 12/20/2008 11:08:14 AM >

_____________________________

Cheers,
Reg.

(One day I will learn to spell - or check before posting....)
Uh oh, Firefox has a spell checker!! What excuse can I use now!!!

(in reply to m10bob)
Post #: 7
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 11:58:39 AM   
Jorm


Posts: 545
Joined: 6/25/2002
From: Melbourne
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Several of our friends on the forum may correct me, but IIRC ANZACs do not like being referred to as "Commonwealth"?


no
not at all ??

but what is your understanding of the term "Commonwealth" and ANZAC ?

The troops of the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps were all part of the british commonwealth. Im sure there are some more specific legal definitions some may feel the need to quote ?

Im personally VERY much more annoyed by misuse of the ANZAC name for things like sporting rivalry between australia and New Zealand.



< Message edited by Jorm -- 12/20/2008 12:06:46 PM >

(in reply to m10bob)
Post #: 8
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 12:05:22 PM   
Andrew Brown


Posts: 5007
Joined: 9/5/2000
From: Hex 82,170
Status: offline 		My take on this is that "Commonwealth" means "other commonwealth nations that are not individually represented". i.e. Commonwealth but not British, Australian, NZ, Canadian or Indian.

Andrew

(in reply to Jorm)
Post #: 9
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 3:10:20 PM   
Panther Bait


Posts: 654
Joined: 8/30/2006
Status: offline 		For shipping it is probably not all that important anyway, since there are no restrictions on how you combine and group ships.  Really the biggest effect of having separate Commonwealth nationalities is the various pilot pools.  So you can't put Commonwealth pilots in an Australian squadron and vice versa.

I guess the various restricted commands are a similar but separate restriction, but you can get around that by paying political points.

_____________________________

When you shoot at a destroyer and miss, it's like hit'in a wildcat in the ass with a banjo.

Nathan Dogan, USS Gurnard

(in reply to Andrew Brown)
Post #: 10
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 3:28:53 PM   
Menser

 

Posts: 206
Joined: 5/2/2005
From: Peabody, Massachusetts
Status: offline 		Your Take makes the most sense Andy ..... Great info there Reg.
So what would be The Largest Commonwealth Vessel excluding freighters and oilers given Andy's take?
Any warships at all?

_____________________________

"Alea iacta est." Caius Julius
"If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing." Emo Philips
"Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." Abbot Arnaud Amalric

(in reply to Andrew Brown)
Post #: 11
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 3:34:18 PM   
Dixie


Posts: 10303
Joined: 3/10/2006
From: UK
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Menser

Your Take makes the most sense Andy ..... Great info there Reg.
So what would be The Largest Commonwealth Vessel excluding freighters and oilers given Andy's take?
Any warships at all?


Probably the greek ship Georgios Averoff. I'm not sure if they're in the game, but historically there were a handful of South African frigates assigned to the East Indies Fleet although hardly any actually made it as far as Ceylon before the surrender.

_____________________________



Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to Menser)
Post #: 12
RE: Confused .....Commonwealth? - 12/20/2008 3:43:56 PM   
Menser

 

Posts: 206
Joined: 5/2/2005
From: Peabody, Massachusetts
Status: offline 		Hmm ...Nice looking WW1 steam cruiser ..... Restored and in museam shape in these pics
Anyone have any others?

Http://www.hnsa.org/ships/averoff.htm

_____________________________

"Alea iacta est." Caius Julius
"If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing." Emo Philips
"Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." Abbot Arnaud Amalric

(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 13
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> War In The Pacific - Struggle Against Japan 1941 - 1945 >> Confused .....Commonwealth? Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.703