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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 12:36:17 PM   
Elessar

 

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ORIGINAL: Ol_Dog
Don't give credit or blame to Lemay for Regensburg.

According to the unit history of the 451st Bombardment Group (H), flying from Italy with the 15th Air Force -

"On August 16th the Group was awarded a Distinguished Unit Citation (1st of 3) for its outstanding work in the bombing and destruction of the Messerschmidt Airplane Factory in Regensburg, Germany, February 25, 1944."

The Group lost 6 B-24s that day along with many badly damaged.


Oh, I do not blame LeMay for bombing my city, he just happened to lead the raid on that day. The factory was a very fine target and luckyly a few kilometers out of the city back then. After hitting the factory they flew to north africa, to avoid the fighters on their way back home, even if it was about 1500km instead of 900km back to England. This fist raid was on 8/17/43 there were several after this one, most of them out of italy later on.

Thank god all the heavy bomber raids against the factory and railway yards found their target, this saved Regensburg from the fate of many german cities. Our medival old town, in the city center, is one of very few, to survive the war. Now it is UNESCO world cultural heritage.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 12:44:26 PM   
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Flat, Urban and boring !

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 1:35:32 PM   
wwengr


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elessar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ol_Dog
Don't give credit or blame to Lemay for Regensburg....


Oh, I do not blame LeMay for bombing my city...

...this saved Regensburg from the fate of many german cities. Our medival old town, in the city center, is one of very few, to survive the war...


I have been in Germany a number of times, but it was only this past October that I really gained an appreciation of the destruction of the war. I was in a small town outside of Darmstadt (Modau) and in Oberstdorf and spent a lot of time learning the history and Geography of the area from my son's host family. Even Darmstadt, which is not that large of a City suffered tens of thousands of casualties ina fire-bombing.

The discussion stemmed from me expressing my appreciation for German Urban and Industrial Architecture and how many of the cities look so modern as a result.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 5:47:51 PM   
Barb


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From: Bratislava, Slovakia
Status: offline 		Bratislava - Slovakia, Central Europe
Clear hex, river on S and SE hexsides
AF 2 (3)
Port 1 (0) (river port)
Forts 0
RR hex
MEN 1
HI 10
OIL 50
RES 0
Mild Climate.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 5:52:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elessar

Thank god all the heavy bomber raids against the factory and railway yards found their target, this saved Regensburg from the fate of many german cities. Our medival old town, in the city center, is one of very few, to survive the war. Now it is UNESCO world cultural heritage.


Wow...beautiful architecture.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 5:56:39 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: Crimguy
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http://home.arcor.de/kriegsgefangene/usa/camps_usa/papago_park.html

It's my understanding that more than a few of these sailors drifted into town, were largely ignored by the locals, and returned to the camp when they got hungry.


Good story. Very civilized POW's ..and genteel capture.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 10:36:22 PM   
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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/18/2009 11:47:39 PM   
2ndACR


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Joined: 8/31/2003
From: Irving,Tx
Status: offline 		Irving/Dallas, Tx

port 0(0)
AF 10
Resources 200
HI 1000+
Manpower 30
Oil 30

We have a few producing wells left around here.....most are natural gas now. I guess we shouls say DFW area. More airfields than you can shake a stick at.


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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/19/2009 12:15:50 AM   
Q-Ball


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Status: offline 		I am amending mine. Chicago should be AF Size 5 (9).

O'Hare is way overstacked, there is not enough aviation support. There can't be any engineers in this hex, because it's not expanding either right now. We also need an Air HQ, because too many airplanes don't fly!

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/19/2009 4:51:11 AM   
Hornblower


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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I am amending mine. Chicago should be AF Size 5 (9).

O'Hare is way overstacked, there is not enough aviation support. There can't be any engineers in this hex, because it's not expanding either right now. We also need an Air HQ, because too many airplanes don't fly!


Yep been at DFW.. big place

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/19/2009 11:25:43 AM   
Odin


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From: Germany, Wanne-Eickel
Status: offline 		Wanne-Eickel, Germany.

port 0,1(0,1)
AF 0
Resources 10 (Coal)
HI 2 (Schwing concrete mobile pumps factory, my fathers coal mining systems factory, some others)
Manpower ?
Oil 0

Allied Air Attacks: 92


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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/19/2009 12:54:28 PM   
Ron Saueracker


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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/19/2009 1:19:22 PM   
RevRick


Posts: 2617
Joined: 9/16/2000
From: Thomasville, GA
Status: offline 		Macon/Warner Robins..wooded hex with swampy area Large River.
Port - you gotta be kiddin' - 0
Air - level 8, with a huge AF Base force present
Fort - 3 at air base
Logistics - excellent
Major highway network
Large Rail network
Resources 150
Oil - see port above..
Heavy Industry 40
Manpower 50

And with all that you get mouth waterin', artery slammin', loaded with calories Southern Cookin'. You need to go out and plow the lower 40 each day eatin' such vittles.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/19/2009 2:59:48 PM   
DivePac88


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From: Somewhere in the South Pacific.
Status: offline 		I live in Hex 52-143 (Mountains), 3x hexs north of Dunedin (Port-2 AF-3), South Island, New Zealand.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/22/2009 12:04:41 AM   
LargeSlowTarget


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ORIGINAL: Long Lance

My City of Birth is Wetzlar, a small town (50 k inhabitants with suburbs) with remarkably lots of industry. The famous Leica Camera was invented there. During WWII, roundabout 2/3 of the Axles for german Tanks were produced there (Röchling-Werke). HI perhaps 60? Hills, Railroad. Port 0. AF 1. Oil 0. Res perhaps 100 (iron ore).


Edit: Perhaps i should also tell you that Wetzlar is in Germany. 60 kms NW of Frankfurt


Erbarmen! Zu spät - die Hesse komme!

My birthplace is Marburg, about 50 km north-north-east of Wetzlar.
Rural/hills, Railroad, Port 0, AF 3 (I know of a bomber strip at a village nearby that was used to attack France in 1940).
Manpower 2, Oil 0, Ressources maybe 30 (food, gravel), HI at least 300 - nearby town of Stadtallendorf hosted two huge ordnance factories (said to be the biggest ammo and explosive plants in Europe during the war).

quote:

ORIGINAL: wwengr
I have been in Germany a number of times, but it was only this past October that I really gained an appreciation of the destruction of the war. I was in a small town outside of Darmstadt (Modau) and in Oberstdorf and spent a lot of time learning the history and Geography of the area from my son's host family. Even Darmstadt, which is not that large of a City suffered tens of thousands of casualties ina fire-bombing.

The discussion stemmed from me expressing my appreciation for German Urban and Industrial Architecture and how many of the cities look so modern as a result.


Small world - I have studied History at Darmstadt. The town was selected in September 1944 as a target for the first test of a new bombing tactic (fanning-out of the bomber stream over the target) - simply because it had been spared heavy destruction up to then (being a small 'big city' of just above 100.000 inhabitants and lacking any important industries) and because there were few bigger cities worth bombing left.
The goal of the new tactic was to optimize area bombing in order to create a fire storm - it is said that the same tactic was later used at Dresden. About 230 Lancasters and a dozen Mosquitos made a concentrated attack (less than 30 minutes) on the inner city, creating a fire storm which destroyed 99% of the inner city and 78% of all city structures. About 12.000 people died, ten-thousands more were injured and 66.000 people lost their homes - out of a population of 110.000 inhabitants. 20% of the victims were children under 16. It is regarded as one of the worst examples of 'terror bombing' directed against the civilian population and not at military targets.
Because of this, Darmstadt and most other German cities of certain size may now look modern, but many sad decisions have been made during reconstruction and most cities can hardly be called 'pretty' - reinforced concrete rules...

Sorry, this has been quite OT...

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/22/2009 8:28:04 AM   
Reg


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I'm going to have to wait until AE...

I was very pleased to notice my town was included in one of the preview screen shots!!

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/22/2009 2:20:45 PM   
Big B

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE

Same hex as Cap Mandrake. 14.1 nm, bearing 121 mag, from Newport Beach.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "OC" hex (between Sand Diego and LA).

In 1941 it would be:


AB 1(6) (Eventually El Toro MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft) and Tustin MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft, 1 x 8,000 ft))

Port 2(2) Shallow draft harbor at Newport Beach

Fortifications: 2 (a few coastal guns in concrete emplacements in Huntiungton Beach)

Industry...not so much I guess, although a great deal would be right on the border with LA


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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/22/2009 7:30:00 PM   
Long Lance


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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget


Erbarmen! Zu spät - die Hesse komme! ...



Hi LST, we 'met' before via PM.
I actually live in Großen-Linden, wich is even closer to Marburg (25 km).








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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/22/2009 8:42:10 PM   
USSAmerica


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ditto, but several miles north of these two
quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE

Same hex as Cap Mandrake. 14.1 nm, bearing 121 mag, from Newport Beach.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "OC" hex (between Sand Diego and LA).

In 1941 it would be:


AB 1(6) (Eventually El Toro MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft) and Tustin MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft, 1 x 8,000 ft))

Port 2(2) Shallow draft harbor at Newport Beach

Fortifications: 2 (a few coastal guns in concrete emplacements in Huntiungton Beach)

Industry...not so much I guess, although a great deal would be right on the border with LA




This sounds like the makings of a WitP beer drinking fest.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/22/2009 11:04:09 PM   
AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: USS America


quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ditto, but several miles north of these two
quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE

Same hex as Cap Mandrake. 14.1 nm, bearing 121 mag, from Newport Beach.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "OC" hex (between Sand Diego and LA).

In 1941 it would be:


AB 1(6) (Eventually El Toro MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft) and Tustin MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft, 1 x 8,000 ft))

Port 2(2) Shallow draft harbor at Newport Beach

Fortifications: 2 (a few coastal guns in concrete emplacements in Huntiungton Beach)

Industry...not so much I guess, although a great deal would be right on the border with LA




This sounds like the makings of a WitP beer drinking fest.


Hmmm....that reminds me, we haven't had our south-east US Atlantic coast beer drinking fest. We are remiss.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 2:48:46 AM   
Whisper

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ditto, but several miles north of these two
quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE

Same hex as Cap Mandrake. 14.1 nm, bearing 121 mag, from Newport Beach.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "OC" hex (between Sand Diego and LA).

In 1941 it would be:


AB 1(6) (Eventually El Toro MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft) and Tustin MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft, 1 x 8,000 ft))

Port 2(2) Shallow draft harbor at Newport Beach

Fortifications: 2 (a few coastal guns in concrete emplacements in Huntiungton Beach)

Industry...not so much I guess, although a great deal would be right on the border with LA



originally from the outer darkness of the off map hexes, but for now and the forseeable future, about 6 miles SE of JWE and 20 miles SE of Cap Mandrake.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 2:49:45 AM   
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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 3:26:41 AM   
USSAmerica


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


quote:

ORIGINAL: USS America


quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ditto, but several miles north of these two
quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE

Same hex as Cap Mandrake. 14.1 nm, bearing 121 mag, from Newport Beach.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "OC" hex (between Sand Diego and LA).

In 1941 it would be:


AB 1(6) (Eventually El Toro MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft) and Tustin MCAS (2 x 10,000 ft, 1 x 8,000 ft))

Port 2(2) Shallow draft harbor at Newport Beach

Fortifications: 2 (a few coastal guns in concrete emplacements in Huntiungton Beach)

Industry...not so much I guess, although a great deal would be right on the border with LA




This sounds like the makings of a WitP beer drinking fest.


Hmmm....that reminds me, we haven't had our south-east US Atlantic coast beer drinking fest. We are remiss.


Well, I helped NCSU consume some beer this past weekend, when in Charleston.

We need to convince Niceguy to vacation in NC, then get him, you, me, Mynok, and NCSU together for a big cookout or something!


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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 3:41:32 AM   
bradfordkay

 

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Status: offline 		Cookout? If anyone is coming to visit you guys you have to take them to one of the classic bbq joints, like Parker's over in Wilson... 

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 1:46:03 PM   
oldspec4

 

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

The "WItP has taken over thread" made me think about where I live and what it would be if on the WItP map. Using WWII era figures I live in:

Toledo, Ohio (Urban hex, forts 0 and lots of RR's, temperate zone - though the -15 F temp yesterday makes me question that)

AB 2(2)
Port 3(3)
Manpower 5 (just a WAG)
HI 200 (I figure it had to have been bigger than Hanoi. Lots of stuff built here including all those Willys JEEPS)
Shipyard 10 (small shipyard here with a drydock. Built USCG cutters and most notably USCGC Mackinaw)
Oil 10 (Another WAG but the Lima-Trenton field is just south of here and produced a lot in the WWII era)

Today the only change would be AB 4(4). The airport houses the 180th TFG plus a Burlington Air Hub - 12,000 ft runway. Plus there are no fewer than 3 "fighter strips" here too

edit: forgot the hex characteristics


Am also a Toledo native...does your oil number include the many oil refineries on the East side (that sadly are now gone)?

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 10:54:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know, I wouldn't call anyplace that ever got down to -15F a temperate zone.  Compared to Siberia, maybe.  Compared to Seattle (all time low 0F, all time high 100F, snows about one winter out of three), not so much.

AE includes refineries as well as light industry.  So Toledo would have a large number of refineries, but only a small amount of oil.

Why did the refineries close?  The US is chronically short of refining capacity these days. 

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/23/2009 11:05:05 PM   
bradfordkay

 

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Status: offline 		In standard WITP, those refineries are considered to be Heavy Industry, aren't they? 

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/24/2009 12:19:58 AM   
oldspec4

 

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ORIGINAL: wdolson

I don't know, I wouldn't call anyplace that ever got down to -15F a temperate zone.  Compared to Siberia, maybe.  Compared to Seattle (all time low 0F, all time high 100F, snows about one winter out of three), not so much.

AE includes refineries as well as light industry.  So Toledo would have a large number of refineries, but only a small amount of oil.

Why did the refineries close?  The US is chronically short of refining capacity these days. 

Bill



Well, my dad worked at the Pure Oil (later Union Oil) refinery up to about 1965. Believe that Union Oil felt that it was obsolete and closed it down. Gulf Oil and Standard Oil of Ohio (Sohio) also had refineries since shut down. The only one left I think is the Sunoco refinery. From the stories I heard, the closed refineries required beaucoup maintenance and were not cost effective, particularly when gas was 30 cents a gallon at the time.

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RE: Where do you live in WItP terms - 1/24/2009 2:14:19 AM   
Andrew Brown


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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

In standard WITP, those refineries are considered to be Heavy Industry, aren't they? 


In stock WitP, oil goes into HI and fuel comes out, so I view refineries to be part of HI.

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