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RE: Empire Total War - 3/18/2009 10:02:52 PM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 12:44:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any game that relegates Napoleon to a possible expansion pack automatically gets a thumbs down from me.

The review (an actual fair and sensible one) that keeps getting censored on the TW forum:

http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-03-17/empire-total-war-pc.aspx

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 6:29:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		This four minute clip on You Tube is hilarious. Someone took the movie Downfall and added subtitles. Whether or not you are pro or con Steam, you will enjoy this if you are a wargamer. It's titled, "Hitler curses creative assembly for making Empire: Total war a STEAM only release!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnc4jqWa_w

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 7:03:05 PM   
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Any game that relegates Napoleon to a possible expansion pack automatically gets a thumbs down from me.

The review (an actual fair and sensible one) that keeps getting censored on the TW forum:

http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-03-17/empire-total-war-pc.aspx


Erm, why would Napoleon be in a pre-Napoleonic era game?

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 7:07:26 PM   
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This four minute clip on You Tube is hilarious. Someone took the movie Downfall and added subtitles. Whether or not you are pro or con Steam, you will enjoy this if you are a wargamer. It's titled, "Hitler curses creative assembly for making Empire: Total war a STEAM only release!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnc4jqWa_w


Man, he should have run those subtitles through a spell-checker first...

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 7:43:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I almost purchased the game yesterday.  I have the other games in the series and enjoy playing them now and then.  No indication on the box front of any "problem" but LUCKILY I turned it over an happened to notice in small print that activation via internet was required.  Then in even smaller print the information on the need to install and accept steam contract.  That was the end of that, so no new game for me, at least not yet.  I wonder though how many buy the game and find out later about it.  Loved the warning, go to steam and read etc, and if you don't accept return the game unopened.  I have a feeling that a number of folks don't find out about the issue until after they have already opened it.  Seems to me that games should be required to clearly in reasonably large print post right on the box front that such things are required.  I noted a few other games that do just that.

Any word on when/if they may issue this game the way they should without the need for internet dowloads, steam etc?

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 7:47:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pappy

This four minute clip on You Tube is hilarious. Someone took the movie Downfall and added subtitles. Whether or not you are pro or con Steam, you will enjoy this if you are a wargamer. It's titled, "Hitler curses creative assembly for making Empire: Total war a STEAM only release!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnc4jqWa_w


Man, he should have run those subtitles through a spell-checker first...


Sad part is, that was pretty much my reaction too!

< Message edited by Yogi the Great -- 3/22/2009 7:48:12 PM >

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 8:01:52 PM   
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I almost purchased the game yesterday.  I have the other games in the series and enjoy playing them now and then.  No indication on the box front of any "problem" but LUCKILY I turned it over an happened to notice in small print that activation via internet was required.  Then in even smaller print the information on the need to install and accept steam contract.  That was the end of that, so no new game for me, at least not yet.  I wonder though how many buy the game and find out later about it.  Loved the warning, go to steam and read etc, and if you don't accept return the game unopened.  I have a feeling that a number of folks don't find out about the issue until after they have already opened it.  Seems to me that games should be required to clearly in reasonably large print post right on the box front that such things are required.  I noted a few other games that do just that.

Any word on when/if they may issue this game the way they should without the need for internet dowloads, steam etc?


Never. Why would they?

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 9:22:44 PM   
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....Any word on when/if they may issue this game the way they should without the need for internet dowloads, steam etc?


Never. Why would they?


So those with 56k modems or *gasp* no internet access at all can play and enjoy the game, perhaps?

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 9:43:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pappy

This four minute clip on You Tube is hilarious. Someone took the movie Downfall and added subtitles. Whether or not you are pro or con Steam, you will enjoy this if you are a wargamer. It's titled, "Hitler curses creative assembly for making Empire: Total war a STEAM only release!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnc4jqWa_w


Man, he should have run those subtitles through a spell-checker first...


Sad part is, that was pretty much my reaction too!



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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 9:48:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I read it's not going to open the game up to a non-on line activation. I am slowly marking companies and games off not to deal with. The days off just installing a game with a CD key is slowly shrinking. "NEW IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER".
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ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

I almost purchased the game yesterday.  I have the other games in the series and enjoy playing them now and then.  No indication on the box front of any "problem" but LUCKILY I turned it over an happened to notice in small print that activation via internet was required.  Then in even smaller print the information on the need to install and accept steam contract.  That was the end of that, so no new game for me, at least not yet.  I wonder though how many buy the game and find out later about it.  Loved the warning, go to steam and read etc, and if you don't accept return the game unopened.  I have a feeling that a number of folks don't find out about the issue until after they have already opened it.  Seems to me that games should be required to clearly in reasonably large print post right on the box front that such things are required.  I noted a few other games that do just that.

Any word on when/if they may issue this game the way they should without the need for internet dowloads, steam etc?



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RE: Empire Total War - 3/22/2009 10:40:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bought the game on Saturday, waited 5 minutes as it was the last one in the shop (on display) and they had to find the liner... wandered home, opened and discovered that I had infact purchased a still empty box (so steam wasn't an issue), took it back, waited half an hour while increasingly idiotic staff jicked the search down the totem pole and searched the store for the discs and the instruction book.  Finally gave up and demanded my money back at which point they more or less suggested I had flogged the discs.

so money back in my visa card (unless they stuffed  that up as well) and no new total wart... for another couple of weeks anyway

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/23/2009 2:20:06 PM   
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...The days off just installing a game with a CD key is slowly shrinking....

Whilst I understand this, it could be that the number of games you are able to choose from shrinks also.

DRM winds me up...big time. They are trying so hard to throttle the pirates, they are reducing their market and they are the only ones who don't see it...music industry and film industry also! So I'm on your side and understand, but sometimes I just tend to think all we're doing is limiting our choices...and that cannot be good.

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/23/2009 4:23:34 PM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/23/2009 4:36:28 PM   
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------- they are reducing their market and they are the only ones who don't see it...music industry and film industry also! So I'm on your side and understand, but sometimes I just tend to think all we're doing is limiting our choices...and that cannot be good.



I'm not sure how close to the "typical" computer wargamer I might be, but I can certainly say that they loose me as a game buyer. From this thread it looks like I'm not the only one.

The Hitler piece was funny, but the point of it is also quite true for a number of us. I don't play multi-player - I play almost totally solitare - I don't play over the internet - I live in a rural area and only have dial up - I get sick of the frustration of downloads.

More and more I find that I must purchase most of my games on line from matrix or HPS or Naval Warfare store site, because I can't find the type of game I want in the stores. Good basic wargames that I can play solitare on my home computer.

Yes I know, just an aging grognard who is out of touch with the rest of the world of gaming.


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RE: Empire Total War - 3/23/2009 8:52:28 PM   
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------- they are reducing their market and they are the only ones who don't see it...music industry and film industry also! So I'm on your side and understand, but sometimes I just tend to think all we're doing is limiting our choices...and that cannot be good.



I'm not sure how close to the "typical" computer wargamer I might be, but I can certainly say that they loose me as a game buyer. From this thread it looks like I'm not the only one.

The Hitler piece was funny, but the point of it is also quite true for a number of us. I don't play multi-player - I play almost totally solitare - I don't play over the internet - I live in a rural area and only have dial up - I get sick of the frustration of downloads.

More and more I find that I must purchase most of my games on line from matrix or HPS or Naval Warfare store site, because I can't find the type of game I want in the stores. Good basic wargames that I can play solitare on my home computer.

Yes I know, just an aging grognard who is out of touch with the rest of the world of gaming.



Nope, not out of touch...I would have to say a significant portion of the population does not have broadband. 5 years ago my parents lived in a very nice part of suburban Buffalo.The phone lines were copper wiring with 3-4 houses per line. The best they could get was 28.8 dl speed..It was only 12 miles from the city center.If you wanted faster you had to go wireless of something similar but Buffalo is not the best place for wireless due to weather.If you wanted broadband or a T1 line it was running approximatly 8-15K due to the length of cable needed. No one in that neighborhood had broadband. Even now, with the proliferation of super fast speed, only 1/3 of the houses there are hooked into fast speed as the lines have not reached them.I'm guessing its a lot worse heading further away from the city centers everywhere. I'd say you are more typical than you think.

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 5:12:13 AM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 5:20:43 AM   
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I will not buy CoG EE not because I would not like it but CoG was not a game In liked and when it became FoF I liked it even less and I have not seen any game that tries to be strategic and tactical really work for me so I guess its each to his own.

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 5:32:56 AM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 8:07:38 AM   
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do you often buy a game just because it looks good?

Madgamer

If it's along the lines of a subject I am interested in, yep.

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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 8:58:16 AM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 11:41:12 AM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 2:58:00 PM   
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RE: Empire Total War - 3/24/2009 3:13:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not any more, I always wait until the hype has died down and the skeletons in the cupboard have been exposed.

Which is a shame really as I used to be an impulse buyer, my wife is a lot happier now that the purse is fatter.

I still have lots of games in shrink wrap that I have not had time to play yet and none of them have Activation or Starfarce DRM.

The only Steam game I have is Half Life 2, not going to buying any more as I live in rural Scotland and a Guy waving flags on the roof of my house is faster than my broadband.

Cheers

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