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ORIGINAL: Joram

Think about the fact that you have 100k+ troops besieging an area, often just a principal city and I can see it falling pretty darn quick.  If you besiege with a small 30-40k man corps, it can take several turns.

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ORIGINAL: Russian Guard

I would agree that if you put other than Militia troops in a city, it should be harder to siege, but that's not in the game. Sieges are an abstract part of how long it takes to get control of a province, make it "occupied". A month seems long enough unless the city has a known fortress, and there are a few in the game - Gibraltar being one (can't remember the names of the others, I know there's one in Finland and Turkey). Or if you don't have sufficient numbers of troops and it takes longer.

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ORIGINAL: Rexor

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ORIGINAL: Russian Guard

I would agree that if you put other than Militia troops in a city, it should be harder to siege, but that's not in the game. Sieges are an abstract part of how long it takes to get control of a province, make it "occupied". A month seems long enough unless the city has a known fortress, and there are a few in the game - Gibraltar being one (can't remember the names of the others, I know there's one in Finland and Turkey). Or if you don't have sufficient numbers of troops and it takes longer.

Wait a minute. You can't put anything but militia inside cities to defend them? In FoF, fortresses and cities were like containers. Is that not the case in CoG:EE?

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

why not try defending the province then ? , if your going to place a number of troops there, put them in as a standing Army/Corps and let them defend

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ORIGINAL: Caractacus

Yes Rexor fortifications could be important and decisive in the Napoleonic Wars.

The theatre where this was most true was in the Peninsular. The French sieges of Saragossa and the British sieges of Badajoz and Cuidad Rodrigo shaped the future course of the war. Wellington also besieged Burgos. There was additionally a 6 month attempt by the French to break the British fortified lines of Torres Vedras. I think Cadiz was also beseiged at some point.

Outside of the Peninsular, Kolberg in Prussia was a major siege in 1807. Goebbels made a propaganda film near the end of WW2 about Kolberg to inspire the crumbling Reich. There was also a decisive (for that theatre) siege of Acre when the Turks with British support went on to eject Napoleon from the Holy Land.

Of the ones I've remembered above the majority were actually failures. So I'd argue that sieges should not be a pushover by any means. So, while sieges were not common, they weren't unknown, were costly, and usually had major consequences.

BTW this game looks great - and I'm probably a shoe-in for an order soon :)

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ORIGINAL: Caractacus

Yes Rexor fortifications could be important and decisive in the Napoleonic Wars.

The theatre where this was most true was in the Peninsular. The French sieges of Saragossa and the British sieges of Badajoz and Cuidad Rodrigo shaped the future course of the war. Wellington also besieged Burgos. There was additionally a 6 month attempt by the French to break the British fortified lines of Torres Vedras. I think Cadiz was also beseiged at some point.

Outside of the Peninsular, Kolberg in Prussia was a major siege in 1807. Goebbels made a propaganda film near the end of WW2 about Kolberg to inspire the crumbling Reich. There was also a decisive (for that theatre) siege of Acre when the Turks with British support went on to eject Napoleon from the Holy Land.

Of the ones I've remembered above the majority were actually failures. So I'd argue that sieges should not be a pushover by any means. So, while sieges were not common, they weren't unknown, were costly, and usually had major consequences.

BTW this game looks great - and I'm probably a shoe-in for an order soon :)

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ORIGINAL: ericbabe

For the siege rules, remember that each level of Guns development in a province counts as 1 point of siege strength, as does every 3,333 strength of defending infantry.  Venetia has 4 levels of Guns, and its 5000 defenders are about 2 points of siege strength, so the defenders probably have about 6 points of siege strength.  The attackers -- 30K men -- only have 3 points, so there will be a successful siege attempt only when random(3)>random(6).  Of the 18 possible results of that check, there are only three results that give successful sieges (1>0, 2>0, and 2>1) so the chance of a successful siege is only 3/18 or about 16% each turn.  Note that a "successful siege" only means that the siege results in a siege combat, and in that combat, 30K men won't do all that much damage.

You can speed up the attrition you damage you do to Venetia if you can blockade the port with one of your fleets; this attrition damage happens every turn regardless of whether or not there is a siege, however, unblockaded ports only take 10% of normal attrition damage.

Note that sieges are supposed to represent more than one siege on one fort; they are rather supposed to represent efforts to conquer the province throughout the entire province.  So whereas 30K men might be a lot to besiege one fortress, 30K isn't so much to besiege every fortress and perform other operations required to control the territory.

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ORIGINAL: tonedog

whats the rules on how to start sieges? i currently have 33000 men in jutland and my scouts tell me there are only 2700 men in the city which has level 3 guns. ive been there for 3 turns now and the siege wont start. ive even ordered a charge the walls to no avail.