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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/26/2009 12:59:36 PM

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An easy alternative might be to just agree with a time limit before the game starts, and tally the points at that time? Might figure "x" amount of points for slight,marginal, decisive victory levels as well.

This is of course a formula familiar to likely all gamers?

The problem with this is that it is dependent on someone's decision as to what constitutes a "victory point"..., or a "level of victory". No matter who does it, it's going to be an arbitrary number based on one person's assessment of the factors.

Mike, I was referring to the "victory points" as displayed in game, in the intel screen..

I understand..., but are you saying those aren't totally arbitrary and based on one person's opinion? My point was that a formula mutually agreed on by you and your opponant is less likely to produce arguements..., which is the basis for most "House Rules". And that doing away with any consideration of "victory points" might actually produce a better and more enjoyable game with fewer "gamey" moves.

Dunno Mike..Don't know how many people were involved in creating that victory point tall, nor what all is involved..Just know it is a "consistent and uniform" measurement, in every scenerio of the game, and is "free of charge" and "in place"..

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/26/2009 1:10:21 PM

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Dunno Mike..Don't know how many people were involved in creating that victory point tally, nor what all is involved..Just know it is a "consistent and uniform" measurement, in every scenerio of the game, and is "free of charge" and "in place"..

Well, there are three folks at 2by3 Games, so two of them might have fiddled with victory points. And I don't think "consistent and uniform" precludes being "consistently and uniformly" wrong. But if you like them..., use them.

I'm just saying that there are other ways of playing the game, and some folks find them more satisfying than the pursuit of arbitrary "victory points".

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/26/2009 4:26:05 PM

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Bob,

While I don't knock the victory points in the game, neither do I have faith in them. I'm not certain they are so consistent when it comes to base values - and how could they be? The value of many bases (strategically within the game) depends more on the strategy that the players choose than any pre-game conjecture. I suppose that bases could be assigned victory points based solely upon political value at the time. The problem there is that doing so might make the 'balance' aspect of the point system real 'un'-balanced!

There are lots of other difficulties with a point system for a game like this - not necessarily any kind of failure in making the point system for WITP & AE, just inevitable shortcomings.

I think the six-pack suggestion is spot on!

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/28/2009 7:04:06 PM

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I think a case can be made that AE = Australian fan boy Edition. Australian troops can train up to a basic experience value of 65 whereas the British and New Zealand dunces will never get past 55, and the really dense Canadians won't go beyond 50. (p. 187 of the manual).

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/28/2009 9:35:15 PM

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Which is exactly how it should be :)

Actually we did have a very rigorous training for the war, and when the Divisions came home they were put through a lot of training, based on experience fighting the Japanese to that point. Most of that training was useful, some was not, but the fact was we instigated a strong training regime based on lesson learned in the Jungles of Malaya, feedback from people who had lived in PNG and the Solomons, and at least some intellectual effort.

This is a tradition we had from WW1, and carry through to today in our Army.

Not saying that the other Armies didn't, they did, but from what I've read ours tended to be more realistic and practical (even then the troops complained that the training could have been better).

We had the benefit though of a volunteer Army overseas, and there was a noted marked decline in basic troop quality from 1944 onwards noted in the battalion diaries, so not everyone could be a super soldier!

Cheers

Rob

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I think a case can be made that AE = Australian fan boy Edition. Australian troops can train up to a basic experience value of 65 whereas the British and New Zealand dunces will never get past 55, and the really dense Canadians won't go beyond 50. (p. 187 of the manual).

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/28/2009 9:36:26 PM

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Did anyone mention the strong Aussie presence on the AE team

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/28/2009 9:54:56 PM

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Did anyone mention the strong Aussie presence on the AE team

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Rob

We try to keep it hush hush. Reputations to think of after all.

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/28/2009 10:06:07 PM

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They're one of the two main reasons for the huge alcohol budget. The other reason being LogBoy...

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/28/2009 10:59:21 PM

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Budget?! We had a Budget?!

cheers

Rob

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/29/2009 4:09:14 AM

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They're one of the two main reasons for the huge alcohol budget. The other reason being LogBoy...

Alcohol budget? No one ever told me about that! I can code! I did software for ten years! One of my two degrees is in computer science! Sign me up. So do you have someone in Ireland actually ship me my Guinness or do I buy it here and submit my receipts?

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/29/2009 4:21:08 AM

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I don't think they were talking about Guiness. We are talking rotgut and moonshine.....

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/29/2009 4:48:17 AM

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I don't think they were talking about Guiness. We are talking rotgut and moonshine.....

The kind of stuff you can use to strip the paint off your house, before or after consumption...

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RE: AE is for AFBs - 10/29/2009 4:55:45 AM

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Budget?! We had a Budget?!

cheers

Rob

we had one...then the Ozzies showed up and ran up the tab on Pabst pitchers while playing Cold Chisel classics loud on the jukebox and trashing all the furniture.

Hence you have the REAL reason why there is no allied production.

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