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The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 1:48:37 AM

MadmanRick

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Ok, I'm a little concerned with some of the results I'm seeing vis a vis surface combat. For the last few turns I've had a Japanese amphib TF, escorted by a powerful SAG anchored by the BB Kongo & Haruna, along with 2 CA's, a CL and 6 DD's have it's lunch eaten by one or two obsolete Allied DD's. So far, I've been on the short end of these engagements by a long shot. Thoughts??

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 24, 41

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 67,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Nittei Maru
xAK Ryugi Maru, Shell hits 2
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Shoho Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Azuchisan Maru
xAK Amakusa Maru
xAP Hikawa Maru
xAP Hakozaki Maru, Shell hits 20, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Alden, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
532 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (0 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 32% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 32% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
Fenwick D. crosses the 'T'
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Tihuku Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Ryugi Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards
Fenwick D. orders Allied TF to disengage
Task forces break off...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 2
BB Haruna, Shell hits 1
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio, Shell hits 2
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
DD Van Nes
DD Evertsen, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 32% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 32% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
BB Kongo engages DD Evertsen at 1,000 yards
DD Evertsen engages DD Arashio at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Evertsen sunk by BB Haruna at 2,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Van Nes at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
xAKL Elcano

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
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Range increases to 23,000 yards...
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Range increases to 18,000 yards...
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Range increases to 18,000 yards...
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Range increases to 16,000 yards...
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Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 69,92, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Nittei Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire
xAK Ryugi Maru, heavy fires
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Shoho Maru, heavy damage
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Azuchisan Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Amakusa Maru, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Hikawa Maru, Shell hits 30, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Van Nes, Shell hits 3

Japanese ground losses:
337 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 53 (26 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Vehicles lost 19 (5 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Azuchisan Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Azuchisan Maru sunk by DD Van Nes at 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Sanuki Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Nittei Maru at 4,000 yards
xAK Thames Maru collides with xAK Shoho Maru at 69 , 92
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Nittei Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Nittei Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Yuzan Maru at 3,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 69,92, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Okuni Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Van Nes

Japanese ground losses:
205 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Van Nes engages xAK Okuni Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Okuni Maru at 2,000 yards
Lagay, C.A. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Okuni Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Van Nes engages xAK Hokuzyu Maru at 3,000 yards
Task forces break off...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 22, 41

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 70,91, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Nittei Maru
xAK Ryugi Maru
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Shoho Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Azuchisan Maru
xAK Amakusa Maru
xAP Hikawa Maru
xAP Hakozaki Maru

Allied Ships
DD Alden

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 14% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
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Range increases to 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
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Range increases to 5,000 yards...
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Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 70,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Tatsuho Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Alden

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms with 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 14% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
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Range increases to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range increases to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 21, 41

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 68,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Heiei Maru #7, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Nittei Maru
xAK Ryugi Maru
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Shoho Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tatsuho Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Yubari Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Azuchisan Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Amakusa Maru
xAP Hikawa Maru
xAP Hakozaki Maru

Allied Ships
DD Alden

Japanese ground losses:
86 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Low visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Yubari Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
xAK Yubari Maru sunk by DD Alden at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Azuchisan Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Azuchisan Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Ryugi Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
Fenwick D. orders Allied TF to disengage
DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 67,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
DD Alden

Reduced visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range increases to 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range increases to 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Akatsuki engages DD Alden at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Alden at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 68,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna, Shell hits 2
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
DD Alden

Low visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range increases to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
Range increases to 2,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Alden at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 68,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Fuji, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
APD Hagi, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
E Tsuta, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
E Yomogi, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Heiei Maru #7
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hakodate Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Nittei Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Ryugi Maru
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Shoho Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tatsuho Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Yubari Maru
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Azuchisan Maru
xAK Amakusa Maru
xAP Hikawa Maru
xAP Hakozaki Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Alden
DD Edsall, Shell hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
690 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 54 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 67 (39 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Edsall engages APD Fuji at 1,000 yards
APD Fuji sunk by DD Alden at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 3,000 yards
DD Edsall engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
APD Hagi , xAP Hakozaki Maru , xAP Hikawa Maru ,
xAK Amakusa Maru , xAK Azuchisan Maru , xAK Okuni Maru ,
xAK Yubari Maru , xAK Yuzan Maru , xAK Ume Maru ,
xAK Uyo Maru , xAK Tone Maru , xAK Tatsuho Maru ,
xAK Taibun Maru , xAK Shoho Maru , xAK Sanuki Maru ,
xAK Ryugi Maru , xAK Nittei Maru , xAK Nansin Maru ,
xAK Hokuzyu Maru , xAK Hakodate Maru , xAK Tazan Maru screened from combat
- escorted by E Yomogi , E Tsuta
DD Edsall engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 3,000 yards
xAK Hakodate Maru collides with xAK Uyo Maru at 68 , 91
APD Hagi , xAP Hakozaki Maru , xAP Hikawa Maru ,
xAK Amakusa Maru screened from combat
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
xAP Hikawa Maru collides with xAK Tone Maru at 68 , 91
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 3,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Tsuta at 3,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Nittei Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
APD Hagi , xAP Hakozaki Maru , xAP Hikawa Maru ,
xAK Amakusa Maru , xAK Azuchisan Maru , xAK Okuni Maru screened from combat
DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages xAK Taibun Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Tihuku Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
DD Alden engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards
E Tsuta sunk by DD Edsall at 2,000 yards
Kaufman, P.M. orders Allied TF to disengage
Task forces break off...

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tawau at 69,91, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Heiei Maru #7
xAK Thames Maru
xAK Tihuku Maru
xAK Kyokusei Maru
xAK Tazan Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nansin Maru
xAK Nittei Maru
xAK Ryugi Maru
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Shoho Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Tatsuho Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Yubari Maru
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Azuchisan Maru
xAK Amakusa Maru
xAP Hikawa Maru
xAP Hakozaki Maru

Allied Ships
DD Alden
DD Edsall

Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 1,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

< Message edited by MadmanRick -- 8/4/2009 1:52:29 AM >

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Looks to me that you need to put some ASuW vessels in the transport TF, and not just as part of the ASuW TF escorting it. Basically it looks as if the swarm of gnats is able to evade your sledgehammer.

I rarely send a transport TF into enemy territory without at least a couple of DDs in the TG with it. I like to throw in a light cruiser or two when I can, TBH.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 2:06:58 AM

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I agree, DD/CA escorts have to be inside the TG, not following

, otherwise they are not sailing together with the transports as a well organized convoy
and can not provide cover against subs or surface night attacks.

And night combat is very dangerous for everybody, a single DD can show out of nowhere, see a BB/CA, send torpedoes and desappear by chance,
or take instant close range salvo and sink...

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 2:18:07 AM

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Likewise try setting the Amphib TF to follow the SAG, rather than the SAG following the Amphib TF.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 3:16:56 AM

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Looks to me that you need to put some ASuW vessels in the transport TF, and not just as part of the ASuW TF escorting it. Basically it looks as if the swarm of gnats is able to evade your sledgehammer.

I rarely send a transport TF into enemy territory without at least a couple of DDs in the TG with it. I like to throw in a light cruiser or two when I can, TBH.

I second that!
All ways keep an escort inside a Transport TF.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 3:44:00 AM

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I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue?

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 7:14:11 AM

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I just saw the IJN lose BB Haruna to some UK DD's off of Khota Baru in a night engagement - DD's got away pretty much unscathed.� So they can slip in there, it seems.� Playing Allies, I'm not too broken up about it.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 8:47:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue?

Well, I dont know, but this seems a bit odd to me...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
xAKL Elcano

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
[snip range changes]
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 9:14:38 AM

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They spotted them and moved away lol..

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 9:19:28 AM

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IJN must have thought it was a minelayer and ran for their lives!

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 9:34:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bluebook

quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue?

Well, I dont know, but this seems a bit odd to me...

quote:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
xAKL Elcano

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
[snip range changes]
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

I'd bet you can go back through combat reports for the last couple of turns and find that the Japanese TF had engaged in combat - maybe more than once. If it was low on ammo if would refuse combat in almost every circumstance. In a low visibility situation, with a weak commander, without good detection levels on the enemy - all of these could contribute.

However, if you would like, post the pre-combat save in the Tech Support forum and I'll take a look.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 11:07:18 AM

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Might have ducked into a rain squall or something, stuff like that did happen.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 12:15:53 PM

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The same thing happened at Miri a few turns ago; Java and Perth plus 3 DD's intercepted a transport TF landing troops and shot them up pretty well. Then a SWTF made up of Maya, a CL and several DD's intervened.

Instead of blasting the Allied TF, Maya got torpedoed and sunk and the CL's got away with only minor shell damage and one DD seriously hit. Then the British MTB's showed up from the other direction and torpedoed another transport, the SWTF intervened again and chased them all the way back to 3 hexes past Brunei!!! The bigger ships would start an engagement, the MTB's would retreat one hex east, the SWTF would move there, and the process repeated several times.

Of course, Perth was sunk in a daytime attack by Bettys flying from Davao the next morning, and Java badly hit, but I figured trading two small CL's for a transport TF and Maya was well worth it.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 12:34:10 PM

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I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue?

I was thinking the same thing. Did everyone notice that most of those combats were fought in low vis and thunderstorms?

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 12:36:51 PM

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IJN must have thought it was a minelayer and ran for their lives!

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 12:52:06 PM

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Looked like an almost perfect DD engagement of a much larger target with a concentrated SAG nearby. Bad weather, night, speed, and guts.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 2:35:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bluebook

quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue?

Well, I dont know, but this seems a bit odd to me...

quote:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
xAKL Elcano

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
[snip range changes]
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

I'd bet you can go back through combat reports for the last couple of turns and find that the Japanese TF had engaged in combat - maybe more than once. If it was low on ammo if would refuse combat in almost every circumstance. In a low visibility situation, with a weak commander, without good detection levels on the enemy - all of these could contribute.

However, if you would like, post the pre-combat save in the Tech Support forum and I'll take a look.

That is exactly what happend to me in the celebes, both sides had a CA,CL and several DD's and both sides avoided combat. I was furious untill I looked at my ships and they had no main gun ammo

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 2:59:04 PM

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Max visibility 1000yrds, Rain or thunderstorms and 0% to 32% moonlite = take a shot and hide in the night, take a shoot and hide in the night. DD's are like pesky little gnats.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 3:07:32 PM

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Looked like an almost perfect DD engagement of a much larger target with a concentrated SAG nearby. Bad weather, night, speed, and guts.

Rev. I'm astonished it took you this long to post your comments.
If you think about it the weather sucked. I would think it is possible to slip in and take your shots and maybe get out without much reprisals.
I also agree that if you have escorts attached to the amphibs you have a much better chance of fighting off this sort of raid.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 7:01:51 PM

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Old BBs and treaty cruisers were very poor ships to send into confined waters or very dark nights against smaller lighter ships-espeically early in the war. They were slow to turn, has older gunlaying equipment which targeted too slow,� were vulnerable to torpedoes and either had none or were�not well equipped or trained in the use of radar.

The IJN high command�was not happy about sending BCs into the slot, and the Americans only did it once (with near disasterous results) because they had nothing else to send.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 9:34:22 PM

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Looked like an almost perfect DD engagement of a much larger target with a concentrated SAG nearby. Bad weather, night, speed, and guts.

Rev. I'm astonished it took you this long to post your comments.
If you think about it the weather sucked. I would think it is possible to slip in and take your shots and maybe get out without much reprisals.
I also agree that if you have escorts attached to the amphibs you have a much better chance of fighting off this sort of raid.

What! I'll have you know that I am in the middle of a Honey-Do day. It's nothing short of a miracle that I found the post to begin with. Actually, we're busy getting ready for a combined 40th year high school reunion and have about a seven hour drive ahead of us Thursday. Naturally, what that means is the wife has discovered that she has 'nothing' to wear, and has the credit card off shopping. I am trying to prevent the paper that accumulates on a desk during such periods (as in all vacations) from developing a breeding program whilst I am away and multiplying exponentially.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/4/2009 11:15:26 PM

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I also put DD's with my troop carrying AK's, not to pretect the AK's, but to preserve the investment of the troops in time and training to get them to this point.

As for the AAR showing both sides try to withdraw?...Well, after the battle of Savo Island, the Japanese commander had a clear path to the Allied transports, but fearing the unknown, took a powder instead..
Many examples of this kind of inaction or withdrawal by a commander who should have been otherwise the victor.

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/5/2009 3:17:38 PM

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Basically, as a former tin can sailor, you should never, ever, anywhere except where you absoltively posilutely are certain that nothing is likely to happen, (like perhaps between the Panama Canal and Pago Pago - and even then keep your finger and toes crossed!) send anything of any value whatsoever anywhere without an escort - whatever you can scrape together. If you don't have enough DD's send a minesweep, or even a tug. It is even more important to never send anything in harms way without tin cans around - Remember TAFFY Three!!!

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RE: The little Destroyers that could! - 8/5/2009 5:00:14 PM

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Single digit illum, heavy precipitation, thunder, lightning.......tough to spot anything.......ship bouncing.....watch crew thinking about "when is my watch over" rather than looking 100% of the time.......shoot and scoot is not just for SPG's.

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