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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 7:48:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jjax

Alright, to those who didn't get it, this was a joke thread.

Here is some advice, when someone mentions five start title and the battle station games in the same sentence, they are making a joke.

As for the people behind the art in AE, it is actually my second favorite thing about AE when compared to WITP stock. Sorry, the whole waypoint system still tops the list.





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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 10:05:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Scott_USN
This is a top down grognard game, the graphics are wonderful for that.


A worrying comment in that, even for 'top down grognard games' things need to move on. I have no problems with AE as it is essentially a mod of a game that is fairly long in the tooth now, in graphics terms at least, but I would be far from impressed with a new title. Even HPS games run in the monitor resolutions favoured THIS decade.

Anyway, back to thread.

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ORIGINAL: Paul Roberts

Don't you people read the design documents??

The conversion to 3D sprites is slated to come *after* the bridge-view simulator and the Guadalcanal FPS module.


The best response so far by a mile!

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 4:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I pretty much skip through the combat replays...still...you have to admit..it would be cool to see Akagi take one on the flight deck.

The cardboard cut-out ship conters (as carefully crafted as they are)
still look kind of silly lined up like the start of a regatta and superimposed on an orthogonal view of the ocean surface with glassy, 20 foot waves.

Of course, it is still the best comercially available computer wargame.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 5:14:06 PM   
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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 7:42:31 PM   
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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 8:01:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

The graphics are fine for me. The resolution (1024x768) is unacceptable in 2009.


Agreed. The longer I play games (been at it for around 20 years now) the less I care about graphics. WITP/AE could be ASCII graphics for all I care, as long as it remained just as fun as it is now.
But considering how complex the game is, things that can be done graphically to streamline and enhance playability are also important.

The worst game in the world with the best graphics is still the worst game in the world.
The best game in the world with the worst graphics is still the best game in the world.



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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 11:05:18 PM   
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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/8/2009 11:06:53 PM   
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The worst game is the world with the best graphics is still the worst game in the world.
The best game is the world with the worst graphics is still the best game in the world.




AMEN! Far too much garbage has been foisted off on the public on the basis of "awesome graphics"...., to the point that anytime I see the "graphics" getting prime place in the advertising I automatically write the title off as a pretty piece of cr-p!

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 4:06:11 AM   
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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 4:14:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good graphics do have its place. I do love the occasional FPS on my xbox 360. But for turn base strategy games, im willing to settle for functional.

I always liked the graphics in UV,WITP, and now AE. I always thought they got the job done pretty well.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 4:36:03 AM   
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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 5:03:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea I agree the 1024 x 768 resolution's gotta go.I was just playing war plan orange(great game) and it looks crappy on my laptop's 17 in screen.Even just one Widescreen resolution would be great, it could atleast take up most of the screen.The big black bars on the side of the screen look hideous.



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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 5:11:50 AM   
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That's interesting about widescreen. It scales nicely in full screen on my 19", but it isn't a widescreen.


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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 6:15:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mynok
That's interesting about widescreen. It scales nicely in full screen on my 19", but it isn't a widescreen.


That's because the standard 19" (non widescreen) LCD is the same aspect ratio as the game. Widescreens are generally 16:10 aspect ratio and the game will look stretched when scaled to fill the screen. The game scales fine on my laptop too. It actually looks pretty good on my desktop which is a 24" widescreen. Plenty of scaling options on most modern equipment and video cards.

The graphics question is certainly valid. I'm definately an old school PC gamer, my C64 still works! But this is 2009. HOI3 was just released and requires a decent PC and 3D card to run. Not throwing stones, the AE group had to work with what they were given but lets have a sanity check: 1024 X 768??? Even in 2004 that was a head scratcher.

Before you start flaming me, I consider WitP the best PC game ever made, and AE only makes it better. But I also play the Silent Hunter series, BOB, and COD.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 8:08:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Caltone
HOI3 was just released and requires a decent PC and 3D card to run.


graphically, I can't see why, just played the demo and the game is ugly as sin.
The plenitude of resolution options is the only thing I found good about it.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 9:02:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Caltone

It actually looks pretty good on my desktop which is a 24" widescreen. Plenty of scaling options on most modern equipment and video cards.



It will look a lot better on 1920 x 1200 monitor rather than on a 1920 x 1080 native resolution widescreen which is the High Definition video standard and the resolution of a lot of 22"/24" Monitors.

My 24" is 1920 x 1200 which gives me black bars across the top and bottom for widescreen movies but gives better scaling for PC applications. A compromise I'm happy with.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/9/2009 10:53:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Caltone


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ORIGINAL: Mynok
That's interesting about widescreen. It scales nicely in full screen on my 19", but it isn't a widescreen.


That's because the standard 19" (non widescreen) LCD is the same aspect ratio as the game. Widescreens are generally 16:10 aspect ratio and the game will look stretched when scaled to fill the screen. The game scales fine on my laptop too. It actually looks pretty good on my desktop which is a 24" widescreen. Plenty of scaling options on most modern equipment and video cards.

The graphics question is certainly valid. I'm definately an old school PC gamer, my C64 still works! But this is 2009. HOI3 was just released and requires a decent PC and 3D card to run. Not throwing stones, the AE group had to work with what they were given but lets have a sanity check: 1024 X 768??? Even in 2004 that was a head scratcher.

Before you start flaming me, I consider WitP the best PC game ever made, and AE only makes it better. But I also play the Silent Hunter series, BOB, and COD.



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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 12:35:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Both sides are right. I love WitP for its brain, but if I could have some sort of 3D graphical representation playing in the combat screen, I would pay.

Too bad matrix doesn't get together with Navy Field. That sort of graphic animation representing the battles would be cool.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 1:41:06 AM   
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I'm for better graphics if they convey more information for my decision making process. If they are just there to make it 'modern looking', screw it.


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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 1:50:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mynok


I'm for better graphics if they convey more information for my decision making process. If they are just there to make it 'modern looking', screw it.



Amen martian boy.

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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 2:57:15 AM   
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I'll take smarts over looks any day. Fortunately I didn't have to make that decision when I picked my wife...


Hmmm. Great "graphics" and a superb "AI"? Must be a helluva "game"!




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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 3:08:54 AM   
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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 3:12:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kull

Hmmm. Great "graphics" and a superb "AI"? Must be a helluva "game"!



Just gotta be careful that you're not the one being "played".



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RE: CHANGE REQUSTED: Better Graphics - 8/10/2009 4:57:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nonsense. WITP should be played in text mode. A set of topographic maps that you can write with a pencil, and a teletype - that's all it took in real life.

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ps: and I won't even get started that combat reports should come in Morse code, hahaha

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