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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/1/2009 3:51:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
MacArthur deliberately declared Manilla an "open city" to spare the Filipino population the horrors of a Stalingrad-like defense.


We could have had a house rule to cover Manilla - but we did not and we do not - so - it is forward to Manilla-grad !!!


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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/1/2009 3:59:42 PM   
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Can't be any worse than the entire Dutch army abandoning all it's cities, resources and citizens to hole up in the mountains for the express purpose of delaying the Japanese as long as possible not for their own benie, but for that of distant Yanks and Australians.

someday in a future wargame there might be a better system that faces players with pros and cons of strategic decisions that touch political issues...but it won't be this game.

Into the jewel of the PI's.....prepare to be bulldozed. We should take it by Sept.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 1:52:52 AM   
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1-2 May 1942

Burma

This was absolutely the most hilarious turn to date - when I looked and to my surprise saw ...





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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 2:02:28 AM   
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So, did he drive them off?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 2:07:48 AM   
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Did Japan have radar in May of 42 at the front lines?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 2:14:55 AM   
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If I get out of this some how, I swear I'm gonna kill the radar guy!

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 3:06:28 AM   
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Did Japan have radar in May of 42 at the front lines?


At first I thought maybe "radar" was a generic name for "observer" (i.e. MK-I Eyeball Device) which is what the vast majority of the IJA Aviation Units have at this point - but lo and behold there is one unit - the 1st JAAF which actually seems to have "Ray-Dar". And this unit just happens to be at Magwe - the base in question!





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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 3:50:17 AM   
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Can't be any worse than the entire Dutch army abandoning all it's cities, resources and citizens to hole up in the mountains for the express purpose of delaying the Japanese as long as possible not for their own benie, but for that of distant Yanks and Australians.


I hated to see this "strategy".

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 7:43:06 PM   
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But here is a screen shot of our "victory screen" at (almost) the end of April. Makes an interesting comparison to Cuttlefish's data from the same period.


Hm, yes. Your game has been a bit bloodier on both sides, especially in aircraft lost. But both games are roughly in the same range, probably what is "average" for AE so far.


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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/2/2009 8:18:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

1-2 May 1942

Burma

This was absolutely the most hilarious turn to date - when I looked and to my surprise saw ...







Reminds me of the ancient Cheech and Chong routine.

Oscar pilot: Honorable General, sir, are you out of your ******* mind?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/3/2009 5:14:27 AM   
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Strategy

At this point, Nik and I still prbably have some offensive potential - but AE in May 42 feels more like stock did in Sept 42 - our options are limited and allied airpower is everywhere pretty much overwhelming.

I think the Aleutians is where we are the weakest - so I'm advocating for a thrust in that direction. The Allies might have their entire Navy up there - I doubt it. On the other hand we have every carrier except Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu and Soryu in the home Islands and several BB and CA as well - so we can put together a decent fleet. Also we have the 19th Division newly released and prepping for the Aleutians and parts of the 7th Division as well, so we could have a major party up there.

In Burma I doubt I can take Akyab or Mytchina - I was always able to in stock - but the Allies have overwhelming air power which is more effective than stock - not to mention the new arrival of the P-38s - which are actually kind of wasted in Burma since even without them the Allied airpower is unbeatable.

The real question in Burma is whether I can hold. In stock this wasn't too hard - but in stock it wasn't possible to vaporize units in a turn or so - this still seems to be possible in AE - so I need to be wary. My opponents tendency to run around with a small number of huge stacks can be used to our advantage - as I can spread out and threaten supply lines and weaken the power of these "telephone poles". But what matters is whether I can stop the Allies from re-occupying air bases in Burma which can knock out useful resource centers. Our house rules prohibit "city bombing" until July 1943. I wanted Jan 1944 but the Allies pushed hard to get this moved to July 43. I fully expect the vast bulk of our SRA centers to be toast once July 1943 finally does arrive. By then the Allied 4EB shoulkd be close enough to all or most of them to knock them out in a few turns.

Another key area is the Arafura Sea. In this area the Allies have air superiority with their B17s and B26s. Under this umbrella they can push their LBA forward - and by July 1943 should have no problem at least being in range of Balikpapan and Soerabaja.

We will probably write off the Solomons. No point in defending out there when Burma and the Arafura Sea are seriously threatened. We need to defend the resource, oil and refineries as long as possible that is all that matters in terms of surviving as long as possible.

And the final area of import is China. With the current firepower equation, we can probably hold on here for a while - at least until the Allies can reclear the Burma road and start pulling enough supply into China to operate bombers. Potentially China is a most dangerous area for Japan because of the proximity to shipping lanes to the South and even the Home Islands themselves. Also, at least for now, this is an area where Japan can still make progress - so we will probably sustain our commitment here. I am chewing up a lot of supplies and am now running two convoys to Shanghai and Tetsien continuously. About 100K supply per month rolling in and those ports empty out as fast as I can unload the supply - so we need more. I only have 3 bomber units (all Anns) in China and 5 figher Chutai and about the same number of recon Chutai so it isn't airplanes that are eating the supply, it is the LCU. I am not optimistic that we can take out any of the big towns like Changsha - I'm sure the Chinese are dug in to the eyeballs by now. But we can try to take out the SW area of China - maybe we still have a chance there - and that will push the Chinese away from our shipping as well as the resources at Haiphong and Formosa - all of these are important.




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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/4/2009 9:15:15 AM   
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Java

I guess Nik didn't want me to get credit for an "assist" so he went ahead a shock attacked Madang and finally took out the last Allied base in Java. We can now redeploy these forces elsewhere.

Luzon
Our troops are still arriving into "Manilla-grad".

Burma
We took "Ramree" the Small Island off the Southern coast - between Rangoon and Akyab - we will try to develop it into a base. A 50K point supply convoy has arrived at Rangoon and started to unload.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/5/2009 2:44:49 AM   
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The comment on overwhelming Allied air power is interesting; I am playing the Allies against Andy's Ironman and am being swamped in the air battles on the Indian border! Your case is puzzling - the Allies were unable to combat the Japanese air with any real effect until much later. I suspect (with very little evidence except from my own play) that the game allows construction to take place too quickly in adverse terrain and/or tropical weather (regardless of monsoon). For example I am already operating a string of major (5+) airfields from Calcutta to Ledo (six in all) and they took a lot longer to construct in real life in the first part of 1942. It was not until the US Army airfield engineers arrived that this pattern changed.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/5/2009 3:19:19 AM   
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Ability for the Allies to over build - and over support - air bases and air units along the Assam/Burma border as always been a feature of WITP. Unfortunately this was not one of the areas we were able to improve in AE. It could be done in a MOD by reducing the SPS of the air bases in question. NIK MOD for WITP actually incorporated this idea - but it has not been ported over to AE.

It also depends on the priority of the Allied players. In our game the Allies have choosen to make Burma their primary focus and have their B-17s and P-38s operating out of there. Another set of Allied players might choose differently.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/5/2009 9:19:17 AM   
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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/5/2009 8:24:37 PM   
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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/9/2009 5:18:59 AM   
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Well Tony got some "malware" and I got distracted by this patch 02 thingy ... but we finally got through another turn ...

Burma

Allies hit Shwebo with 100s of bomber and fighter sorties this turn - mostly Blenheims on the bomber side, with a few Hudsons and Wellingtons and the gaggle of B-17Es that are in Burma. Plenty of Hurricanes on Escort with the P-38s on high sweep. Of our four Dinah's based there, 2 were damaged .

We have One Chutai of Oscars at Mandalay and another at Tyi Gui and a Babs Chutai at Mwego.

2 Oscar Chutai and 1 Zero Chutai are defending Rangoon while a large supply convoy is unloading.

Most of the rest of our IJA fighters in the area are back at Bangkok or Saigon training up.

Burma defense air plan
In my last public AAR game with Moses with WITP (see WITP AARs) between about Sept 42 and Sept 43 (when our game ended - partially due to the AE announcement in Dec 07) Moses and I fought a very interesting air campaign in Burma. He had me increasingly out numbered and in the quality department his fighters just kept getting better and better. For a very brief period - when we had Tony's but before he had P38s - we ruled our skys at leasts and even launched a Lily raid or two against his air bases. But, once the P38s showed up, the initiative shifted back to Moses and stayed there.

Our defense evolved into one in which we spread out our fighter units - no more than one unit per base usually. We used recon units as well - to try to keep try of what he was doing as well as provide some possibility of confusion about where our fighter units were based. The few times we tried to "pile up" multiple fighter units at a base - they just acted like a magnent and attracted full attention and their life span at the front was nil. But by spreading out - he could use his mass tactics and overwhelm every base every turn. So spreading out worked a lot better than concentrating. A classic "defensive split".

Over time the very front line of bases became untenable except for occasional forays. At this point our "leaky cap" was the only air defense we had for the forward bases. But even 3 Tony's on "leaky cap" could sometimes shoot down 12 B25s during a turn - so this caused Moses to shift his tactics.

For most of the 12 months in question - I would characterize our defense as using our fighters to distract his airforce from bombing our ground troops. It wasn't until the final months where Moses finally figured out the game - and began to ignore our fighters and focus exclusively on our ground troops with his bombers. That was the most dangerous situation. We had to rotate the ground troops - and he was getting to the point where he could tear them up faster than we could repair them.

But this stage of the war is all about delay - we want to delay as much as we can - more in the critical sectors near the SRA or home islands than elsewhere - and we want to lose everywhere at about the same rate - in terms of allied ability to hit the SRA or home islands. So our Burma air campaign was effective within these parameters.

Will this same idea work in AE? Well that is the question in my mind. I think it might work better - for one reason and that is because I have even more air bases in burma - more places to spread out to. But, Allied bombers seem to be more effective, so that is somewhat of a counter balance. Also the massive amount of troops I see at Mytchina and Akyab make it seem impossible for me to take these corner stones. I was able to take and hold both through late '43 in the Moses WITP game.

Also pilot training in an unknown factor in AE. In WITP I kept about 2/3rds of the IJA fighter force rotating back to Manilla to bomb San Jose to train up. The other third was at the front in Burma. It took about 2-3 months to train a gutted fighter unit back to front line readiness (exp 75). With the 1080 version we are currently using - I can equal that - by using the training mission. But if we upgrade to 1095 I will be jumping into another Universe where I do not know what the training cycle will be. A 6-12 month training cycle will probably invalidate a strategy of contesting the skies in Burma.

Also, it is now May 1942, and already I am facing the types of air attacks that I was not facing until November 1942 in WITP - so in AE the Allies have a 6 month jump on me in time.

Net/net the air war in Burma in AE looks much tougher than it did in WITP - but time will tell.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/9/2009 7:10:57 PM   
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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/10/2009 5:57:18 PM   
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War Summary

Well, this turn marks the double milestone in the historical war, where the Americans had surrendered in the PI and the Battle of Coral Sea happened as well. I usually use this as the point to judge the success or failure of the Japanese expansion. And I usually do this simply by comparing the in game results to the historical results.

Burma
In Burma I would say we are pretty far behind - and probably irretreivably so. Both Akyab and Mytchina are still in enemy hands with new units piling up in those spots each turn. I think Akyab is now up to 30 units and Mytchina is holding at 26 units. We have the historical number of 4 Divisions in Burma but this would not be nearly enough force to take either Akyab or Mytchina in the game. In the air war in Burma, we are facing 100+ plane raids each turn, including B-17s and P-38s.

Sumatra
Here though we are behind, we are in the "mop up" phase - so direct negative effects are not felt. Of course the delays in the "mopping up" could be linked to failure to beat the historical timeline in other spots, such as Burma. We have about one division committed to finished up the occupation of Sumatra though with the large number of bases and dots we still have to capture, I would estimate this division will be busy for at least two months.

Java
Java itself is over, but there are a number of nearby bases that still need to be occupied, including Cocos and Christmas IO. Also, a few bases in Borneo still need to be occupied. I would estimate a month for one regiment to complete these tasks.

Spice Islands, Celebes and Timor
Nik is working quickly in this area but there are many bases and dots to capture. Also the allies seem to have deposited a fair number of small units around on these dots and bases, so we are actually running into some opposition. I would estimate another two months for roughly two regimental equivalents. Of course we also need to do a massive build up in this area as the Allied base at Darwin is already a power house. The B-17s seem to have gone elsewhere, but the B-26s have enough range to hit Timor and other nearby bases, so this area is the "front line" - and any Allied advance in this area would threaten the refineries at Balikpapan, so this is one of the most dangerous areas on the map.

Philippines
I am preparing to attack at Manilla-grad but this is just part of our major "behinded-ness" in the PI. Most of the bases and dots in the Central and Southern PI sill need to be captured. I would estimate two months for about a division equivalent. Nik is starting on this task now. As to the battle in Manilla-grad, I'll know more after the first attack. Best case I would say about a month for my army of 4 Division equivalents, worst case longer.

Papua and Solomons
Well we never really got established here - and given the air power present at Port Morseby I doubt we ever will. This area we will probably write off and use as a "buffer zone". If we can hold Rabaul through the end of 1942, we will call it a victory! We're still discussing our "fall back line".

Marshalls and Gilberts
This area is definitely a write off - we may even pull back a few useful units.

Aleutians
In hindsite we should have gone in here will more sooner - though there wasn't really any "more" to go in with! But we are considering an attack into the area now. Unfortunately it looks like Adak has been built into a power house base already. So any "adventure" up to Attu and/or Kiska might be short lived anyway. But still might be worth doing to create additional delay.

China
In the Nanyang area, we will try to beat up his one remaining big stack one more time, but otherwise, we've accomplished our objectives in this area. Then the focus will be to drive back the Chinese forces beseiging the "tri-city" area. And then we will shift focus to the SW area to try to drive the Chinese farther away from Haiphong which is a critical resource source.

Summary of the Summary
Our primary goal at this point is to try to establish a perimieter which prevents bombing of our refineries once July '43 rolls around. A key game house rule prohits city attacks until July '43. On that date, we would expect Allied 4EB to take out all refineries in range, so our goal, is to minimize the number of refineries in range. In particular those at Palembang, Balikpapan and Tarakan we desire to be out of range from Allied 4EB on that date. And the few in the home islands. Those in Burma of course are written off. Otherwise, protecting the general area of the Home Islands, the NRA and the SRA and the seaways between them are the priority. We need resources, oil and fuel to keep the means of production running for as long as possible. We are now in the "build up and prepare to delay" phase of the game.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/10/2009 6:18:59 PM   
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Joe, very interesting AAR. (Hemajor, don't read this!)
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BURMA: How will your opponents supply 26 units in Myiktinya, with the new Monsoon rules coming on line right now? I suspect they can't, which strikes me as an opportunity to get those guys out of there. 30 units in Akyab is probably out of reach, but clearing those guys out of Myiktinya is something maybe you can do.

NORTHERN AUSTRALIA: Any chance you can take Darwin? Alot of those units are probably base forces and weak militia units.

Not sure if it's as designed, but it's easy for the Allies to supply Darwin.

SHIPPING: In my PBEM as Japan, I have lost 120 transports through early April, I estimate about 15% of total lift capacity. Although I don't have transports sitting around like in WITP, I am finding I am still able to keep up, although I converted at least 100 xAK to xAK-ts, not sure if you did the same. I am finding though that the fleet is burning almost 1/2 the fuel being shipped from the SRA, not sure that is a sustainable pace.

I'll post a screenie of my Intel report as the Empire in April 1942. THAT game is a bloodbath!

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/10/2009 10:25:05 PM   
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Joe, very interesting AAR. (Hemajor, don't read this!)
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BURMA: How will your opponents supply 26 units in Myiktinya, with the new Monsoon rules coming on line right now? I suspect they can't, which strikes me as an opportunity to get those guys out of there. 30 units in Akyab is probably out of reach, but clearing those guys out of Myiktinya is something maybe you can do.

Well we are still on 1080 - we're discussing upgrading to patch 02 - but haven't taken the "plunge" yet. Both Akyab and Mytchina have achilles heels in terms of "exposed" support bases - Mytchina being more vulnerable. I will probably make a stab at taking Mytchina.

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NORTHERN AUSTRALIA: Any chance you can take Darwin? Alot of those units are probably base forces and weak militia units.

Not sure if it's as designed, but it's easy for the Allies to supply Darwin.


There is a powerful Corps of good Aussie troops which come in - as I'm sure you know. And our two opponents are both Assie military - so my strong suspicsion is that they sent the good Corps to Oz - possibly to Darwin. But I do not know for sure. As to supply for Darwin - our design intent was to make it more difficult to supply Darwin - we removed the fictious "Great Northern Australia Railway" - but the effects of the "supply draw" buttons is such that it is about as easy as it was in stock to supply Darwin. We are aware of the issue - but have not implemented a fix as of yet. So for now - for different reason - it is about as easy to supply Northern Oz in AE as it was in WITP.


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SHIPPING: In my PBEM as Japan, I have lost 120 transports through early April, I estimate about 15% of total lift capacity. Although I don't have transports sitting around like in WITP, I am finding I am still able to keep up, although I converted at least 100 xAK to xAK-ts, not sure if you did the same. I am finding though that the fleet is burning almost 1/2 the fuel being shipped from the SRA, not sure that is a sustainable pace.

I'll post a screenie of my Intel report as the Empire in April 1942. THAT game is a bloodbath!


As to fuel - I don't have a complete picture - because I'm not running the main part of the fleet. I have loaded up some tanker fleets for Nik at Palembang and sent them towards Truk - but them I let him run them after that. If he sends me an empty back - I fill it up and send it back. As to resources I'm breaking even to slightly positive - but have not fully stabilized a steady increasing stock pile process. I now think part of the reason is the 20% attrition in the rail process - patch 02 addresses this - so that should help - but isn't helping me yet. I have not done any ak-t conversions yet - but problably will eventually. Right now I have more problems with resources than with fuel or oil. We probably are not using our fleet as agreesively as you are - just a guess. We've spent a lot of time taking the SRA I guess - so not as much time for long forays though Nik did do a "run around the Bight" and then more recently a "jaunt to Tahiti" or thereabouts but anyway - right now we need the AK more than the TK - I'm sure that will change eventually.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/12/2009 1:11:33 PM   
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Burma

P-38s at 89,000 feet over Rangoon - shoot down 15 of our planes for 5 of theirs - interestingly none of the zero pilots were lost - though 3 of the Tojo pilots were. The large untrained Oscar group we had at Rangoon lost most of the planes and pilots - we will pull that unit back to Bankok and fly up some trained Oscars to replace it. Allies are probably trying to "prep" Rangoon for a bomber raid against our big convoy which has been unloading supply at Rangoon. The convoy should actually finish unloading this turn - so this will be their "last" chance.

Luzon
Well we have everyone in the Manilla-grad hex - so time to try a deliberate attack. We flew in two new Sally Chutai so we will have decent air support.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/12/2009 1:14:51 PM   
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89,000 feet? That's pretty high, even for a Lightning...

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/12/2009 2:32:38 PM   
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P-38s at 89,000 feet


This is it, 67 years later.
http://www.virgingalactic.com/

I knew I've already seen that fuselage shape somewhere.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/12/2009 2:37:22 PM   
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89,000 feet? That's pretty high, even for a Lightning...


Just checking to see if anyone was paying attention!

The combat report actually said 42,000 feet - though that is pretty darned high too.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/12/2009 3:19:52 PM   
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Higher than any P-38 other than the -J can climb, so I guess it's FOW'ed...

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89,000 feet? That's pretty high, even for a Lightning...


Just checking to see if anyone was paying attention!

The combat report actually said 42,000 feet - though that is pretty darned high too.




Did any fighters actually conduct sweeps or have combat at that altitude during WW2 ? That seems very high to me.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/12/2009 10:45:34 PM   
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There were a very small number of cases where high-flying recce aircraft were intercepted and shot down at those altitudes, but there was very little actual air combat maneuvering involved.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/14/2009 5:22:01 PM   
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Did any fighters actually conduct sweeps or have combat at that altitude during WW2 ? That seems very high to me.


no.

There were very few combats in general above 30,000 feet. Recon planes would fly at such heights for the very purpose of avoiding combat which led to many an attempt to intercept them. I recall intensive UK efforts to try to catch high flying Ju-86's using modified Spitfires with limited success. In the Pacific, the Allies had great difficulty intercepting high flying Ki-46's...again with limited success till the Spitfire VIII appeared in numbers. (Burma)

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 12/15/2009 2:30:49 AM   
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11-12 May 1942

Luzon

Manilla falls - whew.
Of course the turn before the Americans recaptured a small collection of tents on the base to the SE in the Mountains - and thus everyone retreated there - but in the event - Manilla-grad did not really happen. I guessing the American artillery park that was at Clark - that kicked us back in Feb/March timeframe was sufficiently disrupted by the retreat from Clark that subsequently we were able to have our way.

Burma
The Uber B-17s rolled in - unescorted to Rangoon today - 18 of the Massive monsters - facing 80 of our best fighters - About 70 Oscars with our most experienced Pilots 70+ - also one Chutai of Zeros and the experimental Chutai of Tojos - 80+ fighters all together. The B-17s sank 2 AK and heavily damaged another. Fortunately we were able to unload 98% of our cargo (50K supply) first.

China
We kicked around a stack in Southern China today - the mob that was retreating out of Wengchow - but probably helped them more than hurt them. Kicked them out of a non-road rough hex onto the main road back to their own lines - their morale probably increased 20 points!



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