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RE: Allied HQ org charts - 8/22/2009 7:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		That makes sense, Joel. I understand the need for flexibility. How then would you recommend we organize our forces?

It just doesn't seem realistic to take a look at a handful of unrelated units at Pearl and randomly select an infantry unit or two, maybe a base force that doesn't seem to be spoken for yet, throw in some engineers and maybe an artillery unit and start them prepping for an invasion of Tarawa six months down the road.

It seems like there should be a more thoughtful, pre-planned force allocation methodology. I guess I just have a need to "feel" more organized.

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RE: Allied HQ org charts - 8/22/2009 10:10:04 PM   
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RE: HQ org chart - 8/23/2009 2:31:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Barb

I had played with this already (and somewhat took a free hand in representing various command levels or layers). Here is picture of one:




dates are for HQs factual arrival.
Green is for Ground HQs
Light Blue for Air HQs
Dark Blue for Navy HQs

Now if i could only figure out how to post rar/zip archive here.... If you are interested in whole package of allied commands, just send me an e-mail/pm.

Perhaps the best way of doing this would be to use web 2.0 mindmapping software to do it. This can be shared with people online and indeed some of them actually permit online collaboration.

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RE: HQ org chart - 8/23/2009 8:21:16 AM   
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RE: HQ org chart - 8/23/2009 1:28:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is IJ General Defence command I made today. Was quite hard to work it out - Again I used some imagination and free hand (Note 5th Fleet for example).

EDIT: image will be posted in following posts with whole serie

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RE: HQ org chart - 8/23/2009 1:42:51 PM   
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RE: HQ org chart - 8/23/2009 3:44:52 PM   
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RE: HQ org chart - 8/23/2009 4:37:14 PM   
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RE: Allied HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 4:41:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tbridges

That makes sense, Joel. I understand the need for flexibility. How then would you recommend we organize our forces?

It just doesn't seem realistic to take a look at a handful of unrelated units at Pearl and randomly select an infantry unit or two, maybe a base force that doesn't seem to be spoken for yet, throw in some engineers and maybe an artillery unit and start them prepping for an invasion of Tarawa six months down the road.

It seems like there should be a more thoughtful, pre-planned force allocation methodology. I guess I just have a need to "feel" more organized.


By all means organize them along the lines you proposed. But don't get hung up on sticking with the original organization regardless of circumstances. The war looks a lot more organized than it was, because we force organization on it, with the benefit of hindsight.

When the war began, IRL, the 19th and 35th Regiments were slated to join MacArthur's forces in the Philippines. Instead the were sent as emergency reinforcements to Hawaii, and eventually became part of the 24th and 25th Infantry Divisions. Since we "know" that will happen, (and because of the limitations of the game engine) we make the regiments part of the division at game-start.

Similarly, the US Joint Chiefs grabbed a bunch of unrelated infantry and support units and sent them to the South Pacific to shore up the LOC to Australia. Some months later, someone figured out, "hey, we've got three separate infantry regiments on Noumea, let's form a division!" -- and the Americal division was born.

The Marine Division that landed on Guadalcanal was missing one of its own regiments, and "borrowed" one from another division for several months.

So if you ever feel you are scraping the bottom of the barrell, and reaching about to assemble a scratch force to defend / take an objective -- then AE is probably doing a good job of simulating what your historical counterparts went through.

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RE: Allied HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 5:03:44 PM   
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RE: Allied HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:20:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		UH!!! I just finished japanese HQs - that was quite hurting process. Army and Navy zones mixing up and down, add IJAAF and IJNAF mixed left and right into them. Some in game formations were non existant or had different names. It is hard to fit between history and game, but I tried to do the best. I had added few notes into the charts which can bring some light as to what was actually where.

Note: Units noted as Virtual Formation are not in game, but were real formations in reality (like 5th Area Army you could see on General Defence Army)

PS: I think I will post all my charts down here just wait a few minutes
Roger Neilson II: Thanks for your proposal, I had something similar once, It was not bad, but I like bubbles more ...

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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:25:29 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:26:14 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:27:03 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:27:50 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:28:26 PM   
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EDIT: India Command incorporated into South East Asia Command

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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:29:05 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:29:35 PM   
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Edit: Aded: North Pacific, XXIV Corps, III Amphib.Force, forces restructured

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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:30:14 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:30:56 PM   
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EDIT: India Command, 11th Army Group, 14th Army, 12th Army, Allied Air forces restructured

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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:31:50 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:32:32 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:33:02 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:35:50 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:36:38 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:37:17 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:37:39 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:38:11 PM   
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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:39:15 PM   
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EDIT: Force restructuralization, actualization, 2nd Area Army deleted

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RE: Allied and Japanese HQ org charts - 8/23/2009 6:40:04 PM   
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EDIT: Aded 2nd Area Army

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