Inf AT bug

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

Inf AT bug

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Steel Panthers World At War & Mega Campaigns >> Inf AT bug

Page: [1]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

Inf AT bug - 6/9/2002 9:20:40 PM

shoglic

Posts: 9
Joined: 6/7/2002
Status: offline

Have any of u guys out there seen that infantery AT units with AT-rifles can NOT pierce armor??

At least GE Inf AT can not.

Post #: 1

- 6/9/2002 9:29:40 PM

OKW-73

Posts: 237
Joined: 9/1/2001
From: Cyberspace, Finland
Status: offline

Yea, i noticed same thing, thats why i dont use ATR units anymore...

_____________________________

"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 2

- 6/9/2002 9:34:49 PM

MacCready

Posts: 591
Joined: 1/5/2001
From: USA
Status: offline

Im playing the russian Steel campaign,
A hidden ATR did destroy a b-20 armored car.

It would have had to pierce the armor to do that?

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 3

Don't use the b-word! - 6/9/2002 10:18:48 PM

Belisarius

Posts: 4041
Joined: 5/26/2001
From: Gothenburg, Sweden
Status: offline

Au contraire, ATR's can too penetrate armor! :cool:
This goes especially for the Russian PTRD and PTRS rifles. I have had PzIII's taken out by these! They are the best, and is also available in the German OOB as PzB 783(r) and PzB 784(r).

_____________________________

Got StuG?

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 4

ATR's........ - 6/9/2002 11:38:38 PM

gainiac

Posts: 84
Joined: 3/20/2002
From: Bronx, NY
Status: offline

Check the penetration values for the weapon in question, I think you'll find that most ATR's are only good against lightly armored vehicles, and even then it better be a damned good shot.

:)

Marty

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 5

- 6/11/2002 12:49:54 AM

rbrunsman

Posts: 1837
Joined: 1/31/2002
From: Phoenix, AZ
Status: offline

German ATRs work fine. I think the problem, for me anyway, was that the stat-sheet for the weapon doesn't have the normal penetration tables that we are used to seeing. But, as Goblin told me a month or so ago, if you look at the max. pen. line on the left-hand column of the info screen you can see that the German ATR has a max pen. of ~32, IIRC. You just don't know how close you need to be to be effective with the weapon. I just try to be as close as possible, no long shots.

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 6

- 6/11/2002 2:23:54 AM

WhiteRook

Posts: 276
Joined: 4/9/2002
From: Minneapolis, MN
Status: offline

Yep, just about any countries AT rifles will work at close range and at "very light" armor. Remember folks - these are heavy rifles not Bazookas or Panzerfausts! These are a hold over from the first world war....... ;)

_____________________________

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 7

- 6/11/2002 6:18:03 AM

stevemk1a

Posts: 855
Joined: 3/30/2002
From: Penticton B.C.
Status: offline

In a recent PBEM game my opponent immobilized my Tiger with a lucky shot from a Soviet PTRD AT rifle. They're effective on HT's and most AC's also, and since they can be difficult to spot they can be a real nuisance. I'm not so sure about the German ATR's but I never underestimate the Soviet AT rifles!!

_____________________________

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 8

- 6/11/2002 7:01:32 AM

rbrunsman

Posts: 1837
Joined: 1/31/2002
From: Phoenix, AZ
Status: offline

Next to HMGs, they are a priority infantry target for me. They disappear so easily and have a nasty habit of popping up and damaging or immobilizing your vehicles.

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 9

- 6/11/2002 8:55:19 AM

john g

Posts: 984
Joined: 10/6/2000
From: college station, tx usa
Status: offline

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WhiteRook
[B]Yep, just about any countries AT rifles will work at close range and at "very light" armor. Remember folks - these are heavy rifles not Bazookas or Panzerfausts! These are a hold over from the first world war....... ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Don't be so sure about the light armor comment. In a small scenario I built back with v4 and have played since, a German FJ company drops on a Crete airfield that has two Matilda I's for support, I have seen those "useless" at rifles take out a Matilda.

It may take 20-30 shots, but they eventually get that lucky shot that forces a crew to bail or takes out a main gun etc.
thanks, John.

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 10

- 6/12/2002 7:35:18 AM

WhiteRook

Posts: 276
Joined: 4/9/2002
From: Minneapolis, MN
Status: offline

[QUOTE]Originally posted by john g
[B]

Don't be so sure about the light armor comment. In a small scenario I built back with v4 and have played since, a German FJ company drops on a Crete airfield that has two Matilda I's for support, I have seen those "useless" at rifles take out a Matilda.

It may take 20-30 shots, but they eventually get that lucky shot that forces a crew to bail or takes out a main gun etc.
thanks, John. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yep thats what I love about this game, just like real life the darnest things can and do happen! :D

Rook

_____________________________

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 11

- 6/19/2002 5:17:49 AM

fud

Posts: 33
Joined: 6/6/2002
Status: offline

I kinda like ATR's.

There is a really interesting first-person account from a former Soviet AT-rifleman here:

http://www.iremember.ru/infantry/zimakov/zim1.htm

It's from a pretty neat site about Soviet soldiers in the Great Patriotic War - the home page is here:

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.html

Hope someone else will enjoy it, too.

fud

(in reply to shoglic)

Post #: 12