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ORIGINAL: seydlitz
Here are some examples from early in the conflict with more aircraft. If you noticed in the examples above, I usually killed the biplane only when I had them very heavily outnumbered.
Again, I will give you all combats on that date that involved fighters on both sides so that you can get a clearer picture.
First, 12/27/41...the first turn that the soviets were active:
Thanks for posting these. It really helps
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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G3M2 Nell x 15
G4M1 Betty x 45
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 4
I-153 x 47
I-16m24 x 30
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 15 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 3 destroyed
I-16m24: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
xAK Svyatozar, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS ShCh-105, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
xAK Karlotta, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Rekordnyi, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS ShCh-107, Bomb hits 1
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
19 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 12000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
20 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 12000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
15 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 12000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 12000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(11 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
34 SAD/47 IAP with I-153 (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Raid is overhead
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 3 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (2 airborne, 3 on standby, 2 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
Training flight from 70 IAD/308 IAP has been caught up in attack
2 to 1 odds Zekes to Russians and you manage a draw in Fighter to fight Combat. Even manage to catch a training unit in the mix. your raid seems less than affected. If I were your opponent I'd be irritated.
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Morning Air attack on Sakhalinskaya Rifle Brigade, at 128,37 (Okha)
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N2 Kate x 110
D3A1 Val x 113
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
20 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
20 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 12000 feet
CAP engaged:
8 OIAZ-PVO with I-153 (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
In severe weather this lone Ruskie has no chance.
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Morning Air attack on Voroshilov , at 112,45
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 56 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 36
Ki-36 Ida x 16
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 9
I-153 x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 10 destroyed
Ki-36 Ida: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
DB-3T: 1 destroyed on ground
Runway hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 3 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
Russian EW detects the raid at 120 nm and scrambles fighters to 6k' above the reported contact. Numbers are close to even here, but there are two separate groups of Russian fighters. Looks like the Biplanes got the jump on escorting fighters. This is a known issue where Escorts tend to come out on the short end of the stick, especially against Radar supported CAP. I AM curious what EW device the russians are using here?
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Morning Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 6
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 16
SB-2 x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x SB-2 bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
3 x I-153 sweeping at 15000 feet *
CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
Out numbered nearly 3 to 1 and the Nates manage to trade 1 for 1. Not bad. Hard to say how many of the CAP actually managed to intercept. The report leads me to believe on 2 did...
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Afternoon Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 5
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 14
SB-2 x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 damaged
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2: 3 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2 bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
12 x I-153 sweeping at 15000 feet *
CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
Again it looks like only 1 Nates actually gets in before the raid egresses. I doubt all 3 SB-3s were damaged by CAP, AAA maybe?
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12/28/41 Day 2 of the invasion
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Morning Air attack on Rybolov , at 113,44
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 9
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
CAP engaged:
34 SAD/47 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
A high altitude sweep. Probably to get above the pesky CAP? Problem is here the Nate MVR is 11 Vs the I-153's 20. Even if the Nate manages a good speed check at best it will put the two on even terms. Nates loses here. At 10-15k' the Nate has it's best MVR vs. the I-153. It isn't a LOT better, but it is better than 2 to 1 in favor of the I-153.
Still you only lost 1 Nate....
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Morning Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 16
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 14
SB-2 x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2: 2 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB-2 bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 11 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
Hard to say again how many Nates actually get involved, and for how long. The fact that only one is airborne doesn't bode well. I would have to watch the replay to see how the combat developed. Could be they got up, but not into a favorable position for a coordinated attack. No losses though : )
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Afternoon Air attack on Voroshilov , at 112,45
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 17
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 16
I-153 x 36
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (3 airborne, 10 on standby, 6 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (2 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
Outnumbered 3 to 1. This is not good. Yet you manage a 2 to 1 result. Not sure if FOW is at play. Is it?
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Afternoon Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 11
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 11
SB-2 x 13
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2: 1 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x SB-2 bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 8 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
Late detection. 3 minutes.... Best case the CAP gets to the Raid as it egresses, but the SB-2 was a fairly fast bomber for it's day...
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Afternoon Air attack on Voroshilov , at 112,45
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 24
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 16
I-153 x 33
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 4 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-15bis: 1 destroyed
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
Again outnumbered. The Nates would have to have detected the CAP and intiated combat since the raid was detected with only 3 minutes to spare. I'd be curious to know the EXP level of the USSR units. I assume your Nates at this stage are ~ 65-70 EXP?
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Afternoon Air attack on Voroshilov , at 112,45
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 17
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 10
I-153 x 17
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
I'll stop here.... see my conclusion at the bottom.
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12/29/41 Day 3 of invasion ****Note use of zero sweeps in combat here*****
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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 15
I-16m24 x 34
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 2 destroyed
I-16m24: 8 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 27000 feet
CAP engaged:
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 4 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 3 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 4 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 3 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 1
I-16m24 x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 26000 feet
CAP engaged:
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Rybolov , at 113,44
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 5
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed
CAP engaged:
34 SAD/47 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 15
Allied aircraft
I-153 x 12
SB-2 x 19
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2: 1 damaged
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
19 x SB-2 bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 10 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
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12/30/41 Day 4 of invasion
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Morning Air attack on Voroshilov , at 112,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34
G3M2 Nell x 26
G4M1 Betty x 25
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 29
I-153 x 48
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 4 destroyed, 11 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
I-15bis: 2 destroyed
I-153: 2 destroyed
DB-3T: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
19 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 8 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
21 planes vectored on to bombers
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (5 airborne, 10 on standby, 7 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
14 planes vectored on to bombers
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 9 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
20 planes vectored on to bombers
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Morning Air attack on Voroshilov , at 112,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 14
Ki-27b Nate x 28
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 20
I-153 x 26
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed
Ki-27b Nate: 3 destroyed
CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 7 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 10 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
14 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on 4th Border Defense Fortress, at 116,42 (Kotou)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 13
SB-2 x 13
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
I-15bis: 3 destroyed
SB-2: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SB-2 bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Tainan Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (15 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
15 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead
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Afternoon Air attack on Bikin , at 117,42
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 75 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
B5N2 Kate x 102
D3A1 Val x 67
Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 28
I-16m24 x 63
Mig-3 x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 21 destroyed, 31 damaged
D3A1 Val: 8 destroyed, 24 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
I-15bis: 1 destroyed
I-16m24: 3 destroyed
SB-2: 1 destroyed on ground
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 41
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
CAP engaged:
7 IABr-TOF/6 IAP with I-15bis (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 9 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 69 minutes
9 planes vectored on to bombers
18 IAP-PVO with Mig-3 (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 70 minutes
9 planes vectored on to bombers
7 IABr-TOF/39 IAP with I-15bis (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 67 minutes
14 planes vectored on to bombers
69 SAD/300 IAP with I-16m24 (2 airborne, 11 on standby, 16 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
20 planes vectored on to bombers
69 SAD/301 IAP with I-16m24 (3 airborne, 11 on standby, 15 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 70 minutes
22 planes vectored on to bombers
You have two things that are really hurting you. The Nates BEST performance comes below 10k', both IRL and in game terms. This is by virtue of the fact that it's light frame, low wing loading, and small non-supercharged engine are in harmony with with other in denser air. It's MVR stat is 41 vs the I-153's MVR of 53. The way A2A works the Nate needs to regularly use it's higher topspeed in A2A checks to REDUCE the I-153's better MVR value. BEST case scenario it could HALVE it from 53 to ~26.5. This would yield a MVR Delta of nearly 2 to 1 (Nate would remain at 41). Lesser speed checks would still potentially yield slightly less advantage and sometimes even terms. Then it would come down to LDR, numbers, Pilot EXP, and altitude or DL bonuses.
The OTHER issue is you are not getting the numerical superiority you need. This plays a big role, especially in early offing. LDR stats and overall unit EXP and MOR count too. 2 to 1 odds can be bad. Couple that with a russian opponent with EW support and it might just be too much for our poor nate. MVR is by no means king.
Canvas your units for leaders and change out any that are weak. Keep your Nate units to a Max of 15k, but preferably below 10k'. This isn't unrealistic as the war in China and even Nomonhan was not a high altitude conflict. Limit your offensive operations to one target at ta time. You can't afford to be dispersed. Unity of effort and force economy must be priority.
- Instead of sweeping or Bombing several AFs/targets daily, focus your air assets to the max extent possible (allowing for defensive ops too), and only assault in good weather and every other day. Or at intervals that maximize your advantages and effect the kind of results you are looking for.
- Move an Air HQ in and maximize you air coordination bonuses the best you can.
- You need a numbers advantage to be effective with Nates and Oscars. Make sure you have enough AV support and AFs are healthy (ie, not damaged from your initial attacks).
- Upgrade Nates to Oscars ASAP!!!!
< Message edited by TheElf -- 11/25/2009 4:46:04 AM >
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. but i doubt he's that naive a player. We can still hope though. 
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