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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/5/2010 7:44:40 PM   
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From my perspective, what could Miller do to most seriously impede the Allies at this point?  Bearing in mind that there are certain factors in our game that won't be present in others (the massive Allied transport and carrier losses, and the massive IJN battleship and cruiser losses, for instance), here are my thoughts:



I think what I snipped is a good summary. His main currency is time; yours is hardware and supply lift.

Normally, I'd say he could hurt you by going somewhere you aren't--Aleutians, Mid-Pac--and raiding, but you aren't "there" to be had, so he'd just waste fuel.

Your DEI ops continue to bleed his supply and fuel stocks, yes, but (maybe) also seriously hit his armament and vehicle point banks. He may thus pull back in China in a big way, closer to dense air cover to the east and south. I've seen in my game that expendable Chinese hordes can really bleed the Japanese deep inside China in 1944, when transport air and an open Rangoon finally gets some (little, but some) supply into the interior. He has nothing to gain by going toe-to-toe with you in China, and armament points to save by running for the coast(s). He might do this, giving you cheap VPs, but also, again maybe, a sense of euphoria that is also pretty meaningless for your war plan. China is just what it is. (Sounds like Bob Dylan.)

If you have transport woes, so does he, and fewer in the pipe. You have deep supply lines he really can't get at anymore, while his are very close to the front lines. Now that his cruisers are gutted, and you have those hordes of DDs and DEs coming on-line, you might set up a dozen or so medium-deep raiding TFs. I don't know based where, but they only need an AD (AE too?) and a Port 4 to run in and out of. TFs of 3-4 destroyers have a pretty low DL and LBA doesn't hit them THAT often, especially at low training levels. They also act as eyes for you deeper inside his perimeter. You have DDs to burn. FWIW, and I don't have exact numbers, but I don't think Scenario 2 even gives the IJN 100 extra escorts, and I think it's much less than that. I don't know mix either, but I doubt they're all fleet DDs. Some probing and some xAK hunting might put even more pressure on his supply train to his DEI garrisons, and make your losses on each new assault less, accelerating the rebuild cycle. Also, if his garrisons are starving, having very high prep levels for your LCUs is a bit less important, also saving you time, which is, more than distance, your enemy from now on.

Raider TFs also, if they meet with his subs, give you a decent shot to take some more of them out, without risking merchants in the mix. Patch 3 made it a much fairer fight with the subs. They seem to still shoot at escorts, but they don't hit very often, and the ASW retaliaiton is sweet.

As you say, he'll keep his carriers locked&cocked looking for an opening. If there's another huge carrier battle . . . well, then there is. Keep training your guys and max your intel.

Do you have a master objective in the DEI, or are these medium base hits just a means to get to the PI? I've sort of lost track of your matrix here. There's no plan to take down at least one big oil center, right? (Balikpapan or Soerbaja I guess.)

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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/5/2010 8:59:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the suggestions and insight, Bullwinkle.

I'll post some maps, soon, to give players an overhead view of the current situation.

The Allies intend to cutoff Japan from the DEI.  To that point I need ports and airfields on both sides of the South China Sea, so Burma army is heading east, toward Vietnam; China army is heading east, possibly toward Amoy or possibly toward that base southwest of Canton that begins the game in French hands; and the American/Aussie/Kiwi/British army is heading west toward Mindanao, northern Borneo, and the islands in between.

But I would like to pick off an oil and refinery center so that I can get some fuel in theater.  Balikpan, Tarakan, and Brunei are most likely targets in this respect.  I haven't bombed Balikpan, yet, on the chance that I'll pick it off in the not-too-distant future.

Once the Allies reach the South China Sea, my next objective is to take big air bases within strategic bombing range of the Home Islands.  Luzon and Formosa are obvious targets, but the current plan - and this has been in place since 1942 - is to concentrate on the coastal China bases.  In part this is because they should be more lightly defended than Luzon/Formosa, and partly in retribution for Miller's dastardly, nasty offensives in China early in the war - the use of Nuclear Artillery and Strategic Bombing to wipe out China.

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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/5/2010 9:35:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder whether there is any way to make Mindinao not seem like the next stop on the road to Tokyo. If not, you may face a situation similar to Morotai all over again.

If you decide not to conduct "a surprise attack on the peninsula above Kendari" perhaps there is a undefended base in a further westerly direction you could seize to give the impression you are going to attack Java, Sumatra, Malaya, or something else whose defense conflicts with defending Mindinao.

Perhaps more off the wall, what about using unprepped units to reinforce Malaya (with or withour a landing on the West Coast of Malaya first). It would take some time-distance calculations but you might make faster progress with a great reinforcement of a land campaign and Singapore would make a great base opening up another front. Put together an Aussie armored column and you might be surprised at the speed. And Aussie forces can switch to the I Austrailian Coorps or one of the armies at a reduced PP cost.



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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/5/2010 9:35:58 PM   
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The Allies intend to cutoff Japan from the DEI. To that point I need ports and airfields on both sides of the South China Sea, so Burma army is heading east, toward Vietnam; China army is heading east, possibly toward Amoy or possibly toward that base southwest of Canton that begins the game in French hands; and the American/Aussie/Kiwi/British army is heading west toward Mindanao, northern Borneo, and the islands in between.


Kwangchowan? Or Pakhoi? The former has better roads; each is about same-same for airfields. I hold Pakhoi in my game. The AI made two desultory attempts to retake it, then backed off. It's less accessable, but does auto-generate a bit of supply. It's a pretty major resource center too, which you may want to deny him. (I've had up to three Dutch subs operating out of here when needing only fuel, which is nice for watching Saigon.) In May 1944 in my game it has only 206 oil, 6172 fuel, but 837,000 (!!) resources sitting there unused by the bad guys.

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But I would like to pick off an oil and refinery center so that I can get some fuel in theater.


I've been eyeing Balikpapan for that reason too. My tanker drivers are whining about the LA-Sydney run and it's getting old listening to their crap. I've light-reconned Balik. and the AI is not garrisoning it highly at all. I hold everything east of the Dili-Ambon line, so I'm thinking of a swoop into Balikpapan direct from Darwin (you can't do that of course.) I have 4 CVs at Darwin primed, and enough Aussie troops. The right turn at the Celebes exposes the flank to Soerbaja, which the AI does garrison big-time, plus Forts 9, but I think at this point 4 CVs are rough&tuff enough to make it.

Balikpapan has the huge advantage of, except for Samarinda, being a long, long, LONG walk from anywhere, over crap terrain to boot. With sea power you should be able to isolate it and build unmolested.

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Once the Allies reach the South China Sea, my next objective is to take big air bases within strategic bombing range of the Home Islands.  Luzon and Formosa are obvious targets, but the current plan - and this has been in place since 1942 - is to concentrate on the coastal China bases. 


If he does what I think he'll do and abandons central China wholesale, the coast might be sticky by the time you get there. If you do manage to set up there, I'll be interested to see how you run supplies in at the volumes you'll need for a B-29 campaign. I'm not completely picturing how him still having a lot of the PI, plus Singapore cutting off help from Aden/Colombo/Rangoon, would complicate a north-bound supply train from your southern bastion. Gonna be interesting.

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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/5/2010 10:11:11 PM   
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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/5/2010 10:22:20 PM   
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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/6/2010 6:58:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lordy but that Burma and Thailand map looks familar from our WitP Campaign!  I would be depressed and distraught.  You are sooooooo close to cutting off the DEI and it is early-44.  Totally depressing....


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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/6/2010 6:01:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, that brings back fond memories of the Chinese, British, Indians, and even Africans invading Sumatra and then steamrolling north through Vietnam and along the China coast.  I know that was no fun for you. 

But this game is much different. Here Burma and China are the sideshows with the vast majority of Allied troops and ships committed in the DEI.  In the game you and I played, the Allies didn't touch the DEI (except Sumatra), but concentrated on SEAC and NoPac.

Orders issues for the next two-day turn:

1.  Allied army will stand down at Ternate for two days and then resume the attacks.
2.  Ternate appears to be a lock to fall soon, so the Allied reserve forces are prepping for new targets - two divisions for Kendari and two Aussie brigades for Kolaka (city on the same peninsula as Kendari, two hexes distant).
3.  Allies are expediting moves to transport engineers to a variety of islands from just south of Kendari to just north of Manado.
4.  Rather than landing at Manado, the Allies may land a stout force at the dot hex to the south and build an airfield there.  That will really neutralize Manado.  Then, when the Japanese garrison at Manado whithers on the vine, the Allies can take the base.  Doing things that way will free up some big infantry units to move elsewhere (either Dadjangas or Kendari).
5.  Transports for the Port Moresby invasion will arrive at Townsville in about four days.  D-Day for this invasion, which should be lightly contested, is about ten days.
6.  Two big Allied units moved off into the Thai jungle - off the road - for some reason.  It will take them awhile to return to a road hex.
7.  The Chinese hordes will attack at Kukong tomorrow.  This city, just two hexes north of Canton, is held by two units, so it should fall easily.  Then the Chinese will divide - one stout army moving on Kanhsien, another possibly on Wuchow or threatening Canton.  The main purpose is to create pressure so that Miller feels a need to send reinforcements to China, taxing his already strained (so I think) transport system.

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RE: Flood the Zone - 4/7/2010 12:09:16 AM   
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Ternate:  After two day's rest, the Allies resumed the attack, taking Ternate on February 11.  I think Miller had seen the handwriting on the wall and was trying to evacuate cadres, for the collapse of his defense was unexpectedly swift.  Two+ Japanese divisions should have lasted far longer.  It will take a week or so for the Allies to wipe out the remaining IJA troops, but I'll soon begin prepping the Allied units for new targets.  I think most of these guys will prep for Dadjangas and Davao.

DEI Dot Bases:  Allied engineers have landed without opposition at two dot hexes northwest of Namlea.  Others are on the way to two dot hexes between Talaud Island and Manado.  These will give the Allies important bases for eventual moves on Kendari, Manado, and/or Dadjangas.

Thailand:  The Japanese defenses at Raeheng are shaky.  More Allied troops will arrive any day, so I believe this base will fall.  But the Japanese have stout armies at Bangkok and Tavoy, so there is always the threat of countermaneuvers by the Japanese against the Allied army flanks.  The best chance for the Allies is to threat Bangkok's flank from the north, and Raeheng is the first step in that direction.

China:  The Chinese offensive has ground to a halt after retaking Liuchow, Kweilin, Hengyang, and Ankang.  Attacks at Nanning, Sian, and Kukong have been repulsed.  I don't think the Chinese are going to advance any further.  That's okay as long as apply enough pressure here or there to keep the Japanese honest in China.

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Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 4:40:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few more observations regarding the last turn and orders issued for the next two days:

1.  The Chinese stack at Kukong really took a hit - I had 5000+ AV against three divisions.  Prep for my stack was divided approximately 1/3 between Kukong, Kanhsien, and a variety of other targets.  When a deliberate attack by the Kukong-prepped units didn't work, I tried a shock attack by the entire army, hoping to overwhelm the Japanese by sheer numbers.  It didn't work.  The 5000+ AV army is now a 3100 AV army.  It will take awhile to recover from disruption, but the offensive in China is over almost before it began.  I will march troops around and make lots of noise to hold Miller's attention on the interior of China, when the real threat will be to the Chinese coast later this year.

2.  With Ternate in hand the Allies have consolidated their position in the DEI and vicinity - broad shoulders everywhere except two places - Port Moresby and Koepang.  Allied armies are loading for both of these targets.  The force going to PM should be able to easily overwhelm the defenders.  I'm not quite as sure about the condition of the enemy troops at Koepang, and I may have to reinforce that landing.  D-Day for both invasions should be no more than five days away.

3. As the Allies move forward toward Bangkok from the west and north, there is a threat that the enemy force on my flank at Tavoy - though beaten up and beleaugered - could move toward Moulmein and threaten my flank.  I'm trying to guard against this possibility.

4.  No sign of the KB in recent days.  I keep expecting Miller to strike at some flank or fairly isolated spot to exact retribution for repeated Allies success. 

5.  Small Allied landings of engineers at green dot hexes along my western frontier in the DEI are not being contested.  Usually, Miller would hit my little TFs with a strong CL/DD TF.  The fact that he isn't tells me that his combat ship shortage may be acute.

6.  I still haven't decided whether Dadjangas is next, or a feint toward Dadjangas while the real effort goes toward Kolako (on Kendari's flank).

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 7:18:35 PM   
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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 8:08:37 PM   
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Bullwinkle:  So many unfamiliar names - I'm learning plenty of geography, but it's really hard to keep up with a narrative that includes so many strange place names.  It's like trying to read Doctor Zhivago; you don't know whether Karamvosk and Itivenko are three miles apart or 3,000 miles apart.  I'll try to post more maps in the future.

Burma:  The "north prong" of the Allied army has taken Raeheng.  Next stop is Pisanoluke. Take that little town and the road to Bangkok from the north is open.  At that point Miller has to decide whether to evacuate Bangkok or permit it to stand as an isolated fortress ala Singapore.

DEI:  Still no sign of the IJN as the Allies make a multitude of landings at dot hexes all over the place - from south of Kendari to north of Manado.  The Allied army at Ternate stood down for two days to rest.  The invasions of Koepang (from Darwin) and Port Morebsy (from Townsville) should take place in three days.  I think the Allies will land a decent-sized force with engineers at the dot hex south of Manado.  This base can be built large, so it would essentially neuter Manado.  Shortly after that landing, which should take place in about a week, the Allies will decide between Mindanao and southern Celebes (near Kendari) for the next big move.

Japanese Counterstrike:  The Japanese are going to hit hard somewhere soon - I can feel it - but I don't know where.  I don't think Miller will try anything like an amphibious landing at Midway or Luganville or Lautem or Talaud Island.  I think it's much more likely to be a major carrier raid against Allied shipping in the vicinity of Darwin, Townsville, Noumea, or Pago Pago.  I've also been alert to the possibility that Miller might detail the KB or a Mini-KB to the Bay of Bengal to hit the RN BB/BC TF operating in that region - and that he might dangle a juicy transport fleet as bait.  Consequently, I've kept this RN TF on the move and just recently cancelled a move against a transport TF at Tavoy.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 8:22:00 PM   
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Japanese Counterstrike:  The Japanese are going to hit hard somewhere soon - I can feel it - but I don't know where.  I don't think Miller will try anything like an amphibious landing at Midway or Luganville or Lautem or Talaud Island.  I think it's much more likely to be a major carrier raid against Allied shipping in the vicinity of Darwin, Townsville, Noumea, or Pago Pago.  I've also been alert to the possibility that Miller might detail the KB or a Mini-KB to the Bay of Bengal to hit the RN BB/BC TF operating in that region - and that he might dangle a juicy transport fleet as bait.  Consequently, I've kept this RN TF on the move and just recently cancelled a move against a transport TF at Tavoy.


If I were him I'd not be thinking about taking more dirt; it just has to be supplied. I'd be thinking about hurting your ships, especially transports, as you say.

From AI experience, I know that the Japanese can slide anything they want to, unseen, through the slot at Batavia--Merak and run all over the southern IO. He could try to harrass the Cape Town outlet chutes, or come up and hit Ceylon and/or your resupply efforts into Rangoon. (You don't have Port Blair, right?) Do you have patrol planes at Diego and/or Addu? Anything he gets between CT and Oz is probably safe from him getting hurt. The DEI is too dense for safe transport hunting, but OTOH the IO is huge, and the exit chutes are random and many. On the third hand, if he's operating from Batavia, he has fuel to burn wantonly.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 8:32:01 PM   
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Impending Allied moves:

1. Invasion of Port Moresby - underway.
2. Invasion of Koepang (Timor) - underway.
3. Invasion of Port Blair - within 45 days (awaiting unit about to arrive at Mombasa).
4. Invasion of dot hex adjacent to Manado - within ten days.
5. Invasion of Mindanao with feint toward Kendari (or vice versa) - within the month.




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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 9:37:48 PM   
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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 9:50:07 PM   
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The Allied plan is to hold the stout Japanese garrisons at Tavoy and Bangkok "in place" by posting armies in adjacent hexes. Then, the Allied force that just took Raeheng, will hopefully continue to advance and threaten Bangkok from the north. If that works, the Japanese may have to evacuate Bangkok as it otherwise could be bypassed and isolated.




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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 9:58:59 PM   
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what is your supply situation for your armies in Thailand?

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/7/2010 10:13:40 PM   
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All Allied units in Burma and Thailand are fully supplied - even those in jungle (non-road) hexes or at the end of long, yellow roads distant from Rangoon.  So the supply draw is working fine.

Most of the supply is at the big airfields at Bassien and Prome (around 80k each).  Rangoon has about 14k supply.  Thus far I've only gotten one small transport convoy into Rangoon, so supply must be trickling overland through Akyab.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 2:48:23 PM   
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While the Allies are "between major invasions," important steps are being taken to strengthen their position.

Port Moresby:  The Allies have landed at Port Moresby and found a weakened garrison consisting of 144th Regiment.  The first two attacks came off at better than 2:1 and dropped forts from 7 to 5.  If progress is made over the next two-day turn, the reserve force will be sent on to Darwin.  Once PM falls, the Allied "shoulder" on this side of OZ is secure.  The Allies might try a few small moves on bases like Buna and Lae, but for all intents and purposes this area becomes a backwater.

Koepang:  The landings at Koepang are underway.  The Japanese force is mostly tired, out-of-supply remnants of the previous engagement at Lautem.  I don't have much there - about 300 AV to about 200 AV.  I'll try a probing attack.  If more stength is needed, I'll reinforce.  Once Koepang is secured, the only remaining IJ base is adjacent Roti, which is lightly held.

Manado:  The Allies are loading the first wave of troops that will land at Sidate, the dot hex adjacent to Manado.  This force will consist of one Chindit brigade, one Oz brigade, Sparrow force, and three engineer units.  Additional troops will quickly follow.  I want to build up the airfield to level two or three before I actually move on Manado.

Mindanao or Kendari next?  I still haven't decided, yet.  The Allies won't be ready to move for at least several weeks, and I want to gauge the situation up until I have to make a decision.  The whereabouts of the KB, if known, will play a big part in the decision making.

Burma:  The Allied army at Rahaeng should move across the river and hit Pisanuloke in two or three days.  Meanwhile, a stout little army (one big African division and a big armored unit) will exit the jungle and arrive at a hex between Pisanuloke and Bangkok.  This should create a very visible and important crisis for the Japanese as the entire defense of the northern approaches to Bangkok will be threatened.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 2:51:19 PM   
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Good question.

All Allied units in Burma and Thailand are fully supplied - even those in jungle (non-road) hexes or at the end of long, yellow roads distant from Rangoon.  So the supply draw is working fine.

Most of the supply is at the big airfields at Bassien and Prome (around 80k each).  Rangoon has about 14k supply.  Thus far I've only gotten one small transport convoy into Rangoon, so supply must be trickling overland through Akyab.




which means it´s not really working fine as this pretty much means the supply routine is "borked". How is this big Army supplied? By mules?

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 2:54:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't kept close enough watch to know how the supplies arrived in Burma theater and how they have been distrubuted.  I assume that Rangoon generates some supplies, and I've had one TF of about 10-15 AKL deliver supplies to Rangoon.  Other than that, though, the only possible source of supplies is what the units brought with them and what happens to flow through the jungle from Akyab and/or Imphal. 

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 4:30:07 PM   
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Port Moresby:  Back-to-back attacks dropped forts from 5 to 3, so it appears that the Allies can take this base with the force at hand.  I will divert the reserve force to Darwin.

Koepang:  Back-to-back attacks dropped forts from 4 to 2, so the success of this invasion seems sure also.

Ternate:  The Allies have landed base force and HQ personnel at this level five airfield.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 7:04:42 PM   
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Burma/Thailand:  The Allies have succeeded in created a crisis situation north of Bangkok.  The north prong of the Allied army assaulted across the river and easily brushed aside the Japanese defenders at Pinsuloke, which is significant becasue that was Japan's strongest force north of Bangkok.  Also, a big Indian division and an armored unit emerged from the jungle and took a road hex between Pisanuloke and Bangkok, cutting off the route of retreat for the Japanese.  The Allies will advance to the south, hoping to take the city hex just north of Bangkok.  If successful, the Allies really don't even need to take Bangkok - it can be isolated and bombed.  Miller can possibly still salvage the situation by sending part of his Bangkok garrison north.  The Allied forces are a bit spread out and not strong enough to move on either base yet.  But the situation is developing favorably.

Port Moresby:  Falls to the Allies.

Koepang:  Forts have dropped to zero, so this base should fall to the Allies tomorrow.

Next:  With the flanks secured the Allies will soon be in a position to move forward.  I'm still weighing between Mindanao and Kendari.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 8:28:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah Spring, the smell of Blitzkrieg in the air.

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 8:35:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Ah Spring, the smell of Blitzkrieg in the air.

Xept Burma, there is the smell of the june monsoon in the air

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RE: Overkill and Underkill - 4/8/2010 8:44:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin


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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Ah Spring, the smell of Blitzkrieg in the air.

Xept Burma, there is the smell of the june monsoon in the air






And HI´s where the smell of kamikaze plane production is in the air...

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Burma Boogie - 4/9/2010 4:29:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		This maps shows the weird dance that has developed in Burma.  The Allies have succeeded in gaining position to threaten Bangkok from the north.  There is a chance the Allies can take Ayuthia, which will negate the need to take Bangkok and isolate the Japanese army there.  At the same time, the IJA forces at Bangkok and Tavoy are strong and there is a very real threat that the Japanese will launch an counterattack that could threaten the Allied flanks.  The IJA at Bangkok is fresh and should be very strong.  The IJA at Tavoy is the beaten force that retreated from Rangoon, Pegu, and Moulmein, so it shouldn't be capable of too much...yet.  The Allies also have reinforcements about to flood into the area, further complicating my analysis of how much I can do without risking too much.





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RE: Burma Boogie - 4/9/2010 5:15:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		He can evac Bangkok by sea, right? It's a short hop from Saigon.

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RE: Burma Boogie - 4/9/2010 5:39:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, he can.  That would suit me fine.  But he probably doesn't want to get bottled up at Bangkok since Allied air power could really target his shipping.

If Ayuthia (the town adjacent to and north of Bangkok) falls, I think Miller has to evacuate Bangkok.  His best move would be to send more troops to Ayuthia pronto - just one unit there now and it will face an Indian division, and African division, and change.

Why Miller let his other army get bottled up at Tavoy after retreating from Moulmein I don't know.  There's no way out except by sea or by resuming a land campaign to the north.  Moving north would threaten my flank, but expose his troops to air attack.

From my perspective the Japanese are facing a crisis in Thailand, but Miller may be bringing in reinforcements that will alter the picture completely before I go much further. 

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RE: Burma Boogie - 4/9/2010 5:48:54 PM   
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