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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/10/2010 12:52:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

An error report:

This is for Juan's scenario 46 enhanced CV .

Hmmm... I suppose you had just loaded a new turn, right? Can you send me the "old" turn and the "new" turn so I can see what's going on?

Thanks!

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/10/2010 4:01:26 PM

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might i sound a bit cheeky i dunno - if i upload a save can someone tell me if the Japanese economy can afford Yamato and Mutsu to be accelerated? err and if enough resources are getting to the HI?

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/10/2010 4:08:54 PM

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might i sound a bit cheeky i dunno - if i upload a save can someone tell me if the Japanese economy can afford Yamato and Mutsu to be accelerated? err and if enough resources are getting to the HI?

I often advise players on the ins and outs of the Japanese economy ... you could send me a savefile, but a screenshot of the ShipYard screen will probably suffice ... maybe also a screenie of the res history of japan might answer the other Q ...

PM sent with email address...

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/10/2010 4:26:47 PM

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thankyou very much - turn sent - dont want to post amid prying PBEM eyes - just need a 'health check' as game starts to roll on

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need to shrink DB - 6/11/2010 2:44:43 AM

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Guy love your work

I have a problem though

I am 600+ turns into the game and you guessed it. It now takes between 15 to 30 mins to start up the tracker and I can't live without it.

I have already set java's memory in the bat file as high as I think I can go 640 and 768 (how high do you think I can go. I am running 2 gig of ram on an xp box)

What I need to know is do we have a time frame for the update where you can turn off the map and remove some of the data from the DB (trackerdb.data currently 274.602KB)

or should I dump the DB and start it fresh as I really only need the last few months information.

I would like to keep

All the information under victory points all the way back to the start. I like the graphs shows me just how bad I am doing.

as I said before great work.

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/11/2010 3:07:40 AM

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Guy love your work

I have a problem though

I am 600+ turns into the game and you guessed it. It now takes between 15 to 30 mins to start up the tracker and I can't live without it.

I have already set java's memory in the bat file as high as I think I can go 640 and 768 (how high do you think I can go. I am running 2 gig of ram on an xp box)

What I need to know is do we have a time frame for the update where you can turn off the map and remove some of the data from the DB (trackerdb.data currently 274.602KB)

or should I dump the DB and start it fresh as I really only need the last few months information.

I would like to keep

All the information under victory points all the way back to the start. I like the graphs shows me just how bad I am doing.

as I said before great work.

Wow, that's a lot of turns. I think you can keep bumping up the Java memory, but I don't think it will do much, since the time-killer is actually reading the database and throwing out what isn't needed. I plan to do something to speed this up (first attempt actually made startup take longer

).

The next release will have the option to disable the map, which will drastically reduce the startup times, as tested by CaptDave.

Floyd

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 3:57:56 AM

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Good news for all is that I start holidays in 3 hours

3 months off

World Cup about to start ...
Just wanted to gloat a bit ...

Anyway beside having to write 2 articles for some academic journals I intend on diving back into some Java programming so we can get a 1.6 to you guys at some point. Probably another few weeks at least

(depends on my late night football watching)

Have a good one

Come on England ... err and Australia ...err.. and Sth Korea (cause I live here)

PS. I've also worked on speeding up some things and it seems to be better regarding production

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 5:37:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad

An error report:

This is for Juan's scenario 46 enhanced CV .

Hmmm... I suppose you had just loaded a new turn, right? Can you send me the "old" turn and the "new" turn so I can see what's going on?

Thanks!

right now, no. I can't get it to duplicate.

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 7:31:07 AM

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Hi! Thanks again for continuing the best exteneded arm for AE.

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 1:51:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

quote:

ORIGINAL: floydg

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad

An error report:

This is for Juan's scenario 46 enhanced CV .

Hmmm... I suppose you had just loaded a new turn, right? Can you send me the "old" turn and the "new" turn so I can see what's going on?

Thanks!

right now, no. I can't get it to duplicate.

Yeah, this one may be tough to duplicate. You need to get a turn where the SS Nautilus is supposedly sunk and then a subsequent turn where it's discovered to be falsely reported as sunk. But I think this had to have happened twice -- because it should fail on the second time. I'll protect against it, but it's a harmless error; just indicating something is there already.

Floyd

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 1:52:29 PM

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Hi! Thanks again for continuing the best exteneded arm for AE.

You're most welcome.

This type of ego-boosting is what keeps us going...

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 2:27:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

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ORIGINAL: floydg

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad

An error report:

This is for Juan's scenario 46 enhanced CV .

Hmmm... I suppose you had just loaded a new turn, right? Can you send me the "old" turn and the "new" turn so I can see what's going on?

Thanks!

right now, no. I can't get it to duplicate.

Yeah, this one may be tough to duplicate. You need to get a turn where the SS Nautilus is supposedly sunk and then a subsequent turn where it's discovered to be falsely reported as sunk. But I think this had to have happened twice -- because it should fail on the second time. I'll protect against it, but it's a harmless error; just indicating something is there already.

Floyd

Most likely, everything seemed to work right, I just noticed the error message at the end and thought I would send it to you. I'll look at the old turns this weekend and see if I can find the right ones.

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RE: WitPTracker AE Release 1.0 - 6/11/2010 3:04:05 PM

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Hi! Thanks again for continuing the best exteneded arm for AE.

You're most welcome.

This type of ego-boosting is what keeps us going...

I'll be glad to chip in, then. It's cheaper than buying you guys beer.

There is a serious standing offer of all you can drink if either of you are ever in the Raleigh area.

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 3:20:37 PM

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Having a Java memory issue - can anyone point me to the post that explains how to adjust this?

Thanks

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 3:27:06 PM

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Having a Java memory issue - can anyone point me to the post that explains how to adjust this?

Thanks

The witptracker.bat file contains a line:
java -Xms384m -Xmx512m -jar "WitPTracker.jar"

Change the numbers to bigger values. Increase by 128, for example, until it starts working. But... if these original memory settings aren't working, it could be that your PC doesn't have enough memory to allocate.

Floyd

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 4:26:50 PM

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Thanks, I have gone up 2 steps with no luck. This is the start of the error msg in the DOS box when I try and read a turn:

Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: F:\Warga
es\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific - AE\Tracker\pwsdll.dll: Not enough storage
s available to process this command

my wtptracker.bat file is now

java -Xms640m -Xmx768m -jar "WitPTracker.jar"

I think I have enough memory - page one of the DxDiag test:

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 3072MB RAM
Page File: 1484MB used, 3471MB available

Maybe I'm not on the right track. Any ideas?

B

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 5:05:31 PM

floydg

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Microsoft website has this "helpful" information for this error message:

quote:

Error Message:
Not enough storage is available to process this command.

User Action:

Do one of the following, then retry the command: (1) reduce the number of running programs; (2) remove unwanted files from the disk the paging file is on and restart the system; (3) check the paging file disk for an I/O error; or (4) install additional memory in your system.

Maybe one of these will help.

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 6:35:09 PM

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Disregard. just read the post above about the memory and it's working, thanks

I'm getting the following error message

Thanks, Daryl

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 8:32:04 PM

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Disregard. just read the post above about the memory and it's working, thanks

I'm getting the following error message

Thanks, Daryl

Can't see the error.

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/12/2010 9:29:40 PM

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Hey guys, if you have 4GB of memory on your machine, you can set the Xmx value to as high as 3072 (3 gigabytes). This is probably too much, but it will definitely help with memory issues. If you are running on Win7 64 and have more memory then you definitely can go all the way up to 3072.

You may want to jump to 1024 initially just to see if the extra 512 megabyte helps. I usually run tracker with 2048, but I have an 8GB machine running Win 7 x64.

By the way, the numbers after the Xmx are in megabytes, so 1024 equals 1024 megabytes or 1 gigabyte. Hope this helps.

Bret

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/13/2010 1:27:22 PM

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Ok

Still no luck. have upped the memory to

java -Xms1024m -Xmx1158m -jar "WitPTracker.jar"

User Action:

Do one of the following, then retry the command: (1) reduce the number of running programs;

Only have WITP-AE & tracker running

(2) remove unwanted files from the disk the paging file is on and restart the system;

Not entirly sure what this means but I have over 100Gb free on the disk

(3) check the paging file disk for an I/O error;

Haven't done this yet - Hard drive is only about 4 months old

or (4) install additional memory in your system.

I have 4 Gig RAM on a 32 bit system so I don't think this will help

Any other ideas?

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/13/2010 2:10:44 PM

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Ok

Still no luck. have upped the memory to

java -Xms1024m -Xmx1158m -jar "WitPTracker.jar"

User Action:

Do one of the following, then retry the command: (1) reduce the number of running programs;

Only have WITP-AE & tracker running

(2) remove unwanted files from the disk the paging file is on and restart the system;

Not entirly sure what this means but I have over 100Gb free on the disk

(3) check the paging file disk for an I/O error;

Haven't done this yet - Hard drive is only about 4 months old

or (4) install additional memory in your system.

I have 4 Gig RAM on a 32 bit system so I don't think this will help
Any other ideas?

Gunner98,
There really is no reason this can't run on your rig.

There are at least two cases when this error can occur:

* If you try to allocate more memory than is available on your device.
* If you run out of shared library space.

So go back to the default settings please for starters in the batch file.
java -Xms384m -Xmx512m -jar "WitPTracker.jar"
pause

I assume you've had Tracker working before and now want to increase the memory heap, I've encountered problems doing large memory allocations... but I'm thinking this might be more about other things

Also need a bit more info to get my head around this ...
Are you a 64 bit user?OOps just checked ... you're a 32 bit user... curious.
What Microsoft Visual C++ SP1 update did you apply ? The 32bit one for intel?
What Java version are you using ? The 32 bit one ?

Also if you PM me your email address I can send you another version which has an executable which I've got working on most 32/64bit rigs.

Damian

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/14/2010 5:17:19 AM

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Gunner98,
There really is no reason this can't run on your rig.

There are at least two cases when this error can occur:

* If you try to allocate more memory than is available on your device.
* If you run out of shared library space.

So go back to the default settings please for starters in the batch file.
java -Xms384m -Xmx512m -jar "WitPTracker.jar"
pause

Will Do

I assume you've had Tracker working before and now want to increase the memory heap, I've encountered problems doing large memory allocations... but I'm thinking this might be more about other things

Was working like a charm and then just stopped reading turns - no error msgs - took a few turns for me to notice.

Also need a bit more info to get my head around this ...
Are you a 64 bit user?OOps just checked ... you're a 32 bit user... curious.
32 bit
What Microsoft Visual C++ SP1 update did you apply ? The 32bit one for intel?
I think so, can't remember - is there a way to check?
What Java version are you using ? The 32 bit one ?
Java version 6, I think its the 32 bit version,

Also if you PM me your email address I can send you another version which has an executable which I've got working on most 32/64bit rigs.

On the way

Damian

Thanks for the help, this is a great progam and want to get it back up and running

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/14/2010 4:43:04 PM

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I'm in the beginning of '43 now and the start-up time for tracker has increased to ~10 minutes. Is there anything I can do to reduce that?

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/14/2010 4:50:53 PM

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That's a standard problem with JDBC systems. You need to bug the developers to allow people to use alternative high-performance DBMSs.

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/15/2010 1:44:41 PM

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That's a standard problem with JDBC systems. You need to bug the developers to allow people to use alternative high-performance DBMSs.

Okay, I'm game - if it can improve performance, can you recommend something?

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/15/2010 1:47:36 PM

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That's a standard problem with JDBC systems. You need to bug the developers to allow people to use alternative high-performance DBMSs.

Okay, I'm game - if it can improve performance, can you recommend something?

But from running 200+ turns the DB call is not what is slowing the program down ... or am I wrong ?

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/15/2010 2:23:27 PM

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Maybe a bigger DB or another separate DB where you store more things rather than recompute every time Tracker is run would help performance.

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/15/2010 2:42:06 PM

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That's a standard problem with JDBC systems. You need to bug the developers to allow people to use alternative high-performance DBMSs.

Okay, I'm game - if it can improve performance, can you recommend something?

There are two problems--big databases are unavoidably slower, and the memory fragmentation you get in the JVM as you load a lot of data means you start thrashing. There was this FAA system I had some involvement with that ran into just that problem. I've asked the DBMS expert who sits two desks over for some suggestions.

For a starter, is the database normalised?

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RE: need to shrink DB - 6/15/2010 2:43:46 PM

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Maybe a bigger DB or another separate DB where you store more things rather than recompute every time Tracker is run would help performance.

I have an idea that could do essentially that - check-point the database so the initial reading only has a few objects to sift through, but the complete history is preserved.

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