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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 5:08:15 PM

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Mike, you're right about the pilot training. I scan the training air units every couple of days and cull off those that are good enough for my front line. I look at the skill and not the overall experience level. For the IJN, >70 is the minimum. It's usually lower for the IJA, but not much. Every training group has one very experienced pilot as well as a high quality commander. That seems to help out a lot.

The way I look at replacement pilots, there are two schools of thought.

First: You can train the pilots up to ~70 or so experience. They will be better trained but you'll have fewer of them available as replacements.

Second: You can train them up to ~50 or so experience then through them into the general reserve. You'll most likely have a much larger general reserve but the quality will suffer.

I'm taking a risk using option 1 but am going to hedge my bets somewhat. I am going to identify some of my training units to train up to ~60 (maybe 6 or 8 units tops). This will be my reserve when I take some large losses, which is inevitable.

My frontline units are primarily high quality pilots. They continue to gain experience and suffer few losses. What I have begun to do is to add rookies to some of them in excess of the maximum size of the units. I increase the training of the unit to 10-20% and those rookies rise pretty fast. I'm not sure if it's the best thing to do, but it seems to work well. We'll see what happens when my expansion stops and Ted's airforce comes into play.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 5:58:09 PM

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1 Feb 42

Quiet day, but lots of things in motion.

The I-8 found a supply TF south of Hawaii and put 2 torpedoes into an xAK. She reportedly sank.

I bombed Rangoon, Singapore, Batavia and Palembang, losing an Ann and Sally while destroying 2 Vildebeasts and an L-212 on the ground.

On the ground, my artillery bombarded Bataan destroying a unit. I'll figure out what was destroyed after next turn.

Stuff coming up.....

I have 90k troops a mile or two from Singapore. I switched them to combat mode. They should arrive tomorrow. After the shock attack, I'll see what I'm up against.

The Java invasion force is moving out of Singkawang today. They'll hit the beaches in 2 days. They are escorted by a surface TF of 4 BBs and escorts and a minesweeping TF.

The TF that is going to pick up the 4 Division will reach Pt. Moresby in 2 days. They'll be the second wave for Java. They may hit Timor before moving on to Java. KB will escort them.

The 20 Division is loading in Korea (minus 1 regiment which I will purchase in a few days). Their destination is Tarakan then Balikpapan. They will most likely move to Java after that. They are moving by fast xAP.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 5:58:09 PM

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 6:46:38 PM

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Their destination is Tarakan then Balikpapan.�

I've been meaning to ask you what your plan is for dealing with Allied PT boats in places like Tarakan and Balikpapan. Does one try to "sweep" the base with a Surface Combat group of DDs (or PBs or TBs or some such) first? Or assign Zeroes to naval attack (presumably at a very low altitude)?

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 7:16:21 PM

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I hate losing ships. I'll station some Zeros at Jolo and sweep at low altitude. I've been reconning off an on and haven't seen any PTs, but I'll do it again a couple of days out to make sure.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 7:16:21 PM

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 7:31:06 PM

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More stuff.....

The Ryujo is about 2 weeks from being fully repaired at 11-0-2(2)-2 at Babeldaob. The Shoho is on her way to Takao to merge with the Zuiho and Hosho. When Ryujo is fully repaired, the other 3 carriers will meet her at Babeldaob to form a nice little baby KB (74 Zeros and 52 Kates) to support the Tarakan/Balikpapan invasions.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 7:31:07 PM

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 8:10:28 PM

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Mike, I like to train IJN pilots thusly:

1. Fighter pilots are easy; just use the Claude units stuck in Home Islands, total of 54 slots

2. Bombers: Take one Val and 1 Kate unit, and expand them each to 64 planes (by loading them on empty CV, setting to "Expand"). Convert them to training units. You now have 2 units with 128 slots each.

3. Train the VAL pilots on NavB, NavS,GrdB; once they are decent in NavB, put into pool

4. Draw the trained VAL pilots from the pool to put into the KATE unit; train them in NavT then put them back in the pool.

In this way, you have multi-trained pilots. I find that Val pilots need NavB, GrdB, and NavS, Kate pilots need NavT mostly with some NavB, and Nettie pilots need NavT, NavS mostly.

PS, the rail line from Kyushu works; go ahead and stand down those transport runs

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 8:28:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Mike, I like to train IJN pilots thusly:

1. Fighter pilots are easy; just use the Claude units stuck in Home Islands, total of 54 slots

2. Bombers: Take one Val and 1 Kate unit, and expand them each to 64 planes (by loading them on empty CV, setting to "Expand"). Convert them to training units. You now have 2 units with 128 slots each.

3. Train the VAL pilots on NavB, NavS,GrdB; once they are decent in NavB, put into pool

4. Draw the trained VAL pilots from the pool to put into the KATE unit; train them in NavT then put them back in the pool.

In this way, you have multi-trained pilots. I find that Val pilots need NavB, GrdB, and NavS, Kate pilots need NavT mostly with some NavB, and Nettie pilots need NavT, NavS mostly.

PS, the rail line from Kyushu works; go ahead and stand down those transport runs

I like it, Q-Ball. One question though. How many planes do you keep in these units?

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 9:27:14 PM

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One thing about pilot training that should not be neglected is ASW training. Unless you see that your opponent is not good at commanding subs, you probably should put some units besides land-based floatplanes on ASW training. When playing Japan against AI I trained both Navy and Army air units for ASW, so that I eventually had enough good sub hunters to patrol key areas around Home Islands and DEI.

But, thankfully, you don't need to replace the losses much in this area.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 10:11:00 PM

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PS, the rail line from Kyushu works; go ahead and stand down those transport runs

You mean, we don't have to transport resources/fuel/oil from Fukuoka to Shimonoseki by sea? That is very good news if true.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 10:22:32 PM

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One thing about pilot training that should not be neglected is ASW training. Unless you see that your opponent is not good at commanding subs, you probably should put some units besides land-based floatplanes on ASW training. When playing Japan against AI I trained both Navy and Army air units for ASW, so that I eventually had enough good sub hunters to patrol key areas around Home Islands and DEI.

But, thankfully, you don't need to replace the losses much in this area.

I am using some IJN and IJA air units to train ASW. It's going to be needed later. I don't mention all of the unsuccessful sub attacks Ted is making daily. I'll try to make a comment about that in the future. I've been very lucky concerning the inability of the US subs to hit anything. Lots of "hit no explosion" and duds. I plan on using a lot of IJA light bombers on ASW later in the war when they would be shredded against contested hexes. Most of the light bombers in Kwantung are doing ASW training.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/3/2010 10:25:35 PM

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PS, the rail line from Kyushu works; go ahead and stand down those transport runs

You mean, we don't have to transport resources/fuel/oil from Fukuoka to Shimonoseki by sea? That is very good news if true.

Starting on 1 Feb, I stood down my CS convoys from Kyushu to see how this works. Others have had good results doing this. I'll post my results after 10 days.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 3:21:10 PM

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2 Feb 42

Another quiet day, but there's a nice surprise in store for Ted tomorrow....

Philippines

It turns out that I destroyed the I Philippine Corps HQ yesterday. That's nice. It'll reduce the AV somewhat. More land and air bombardment occurred today. There will be more tomorrow as well.

Burma

The 33 Division is heading south toward Rangoon, which is cut off. If my intel is correct, Ted has 10-15k troops there. It might take some time to reduce that with the few forces I have, but it'll be good experience for the IJAAF. I currently am bombarding troops and the airfield. One Sally was lost to flak.

Malaya

My 90k troops moved into Singapore today and shock attacked. I lost 1926 to 264 Allied troops but I'm there now. The Imperial Guards Division took the brunt of the hit with fatigue and disruption in the 80-90 range. That's ok, they'll recover. In the mean time, I'll now add daily artillery barrages to the air bombardments. I'll post a list of the array of forces on each side tonight. I lost a Mary and Sally to flak.

Java

The invasion of Java will begin tomorrow. I don't think Ted has seen the invasion fleets. They are currently one hex to the east of Billiton. There are support units that will land a day or two behind the combat forces. Then I'll put some air units on ground and start to see what I can do to give Ted an ulcer.

South Borneo

The 20 Division (-1 regiment) is headed south to Babeldaob by fast xAP where it will disembark and re-embark on xAKs to invade Tarakan. It will be supported by a CA TF and baby KB, as well as elements of the IJA 5 Air Division. Once Tarakan is secured, it will become the jump off point for the invasion of Balikpapan. Garrisons for both locations have already been identified and are enroute to Babeldaob.

SE Fleet

Wau (base 1 hex west of Lae) was taken today. Two infantry companies were ousted causing 63 Allied casualties for no loss. That victorious Japanese NG company is headed to take the last base in the vicinity of Lae.

Tomorrow, the transports that will pick up the 4 Division from Pt. Moresby will arrive there. They will then head to the SRA for future ops.

4 Fleet

A reinforcement convoy (2 cargo ships and a PB) carrying the 4 Fleet HQ to Kwajalein ran over a US sub. The PB used all of her depth charges and got a lucky hit on the sub, as well as a couple of near misses. I'm still trying to figure out how to upgrade the Claudes in the Marshalls and am trying to put the 4 Fleet HQ along with >20k supply to see if that works.

Other Stuff

Kongo - She took a torpedo way back on 13 Dec 41 off Kuantan. Her damage was 6-34(28)-2-0. She went to Cam Ranh Bay for temporary repairs then headed back to the Home Islands for full repairs. Today she is down to 0-18(18)-0-0 but isn't expected to be fully repaired for an additional 45 days. I may have had only one warship sunk to date, but the repair yards are beginning to fill up.

Mutsu: 44-9(9)-13(1)-0 - Currently at Rabaul getting temporary repairs. Expected to move back to the Home Islands in 59 days.

Yamashiro: 38-22(6)-20(1)-0 - Currently at Rabaul getting temporary repairs. Expected to move back to the Home Islands in 69 days.

Kinugasa: 8-0-1(1)-0 - Currently at Truk. Will have all minor damage repaired in 6 days. Will then return to Rabaul (where an AR is located) for full repairs.

Kako: 20-4(4)-4-0 - Currently at Truk. Will have all minor damage repaired in 14 days. Will then return to Rabaul for full repairs.

Aoba: 0-3(3)-6(6)-0 - One day's sail from the Home Islands for full repairs.

3 DDs: Moderate damage from the battles around Pt. Moresby and Tulagi. Fully repaired in 15-30 days.

I-122: 0-54(54)-18(18)-0 - Will leave Singkawang for full repairs at Hong Kong.

I-123: 0-71(71)-(9)-0 - Enroute to Hong Kong (17 days out) for full repairs.

Ryujo: 14-0-1(1)-0 - At Babeldaob. Fifteen days to full repairs.

That's about it for my major ship damage. There are currently 17 DDs upgrading at Kobe. They will be complete in 15-19 days.

I got a Std-D xAK today. It's going to sit in Maizuru along with the 17 Std-C xAKs sitting there waiting for Jun 42 so they can convert to TKs. My plan is to use all of the Std-A through -F classes as TKs. Some are quite small, but they can be used near the front line or at small ports with oil centers and/or refineries. That'll free up the moderate & large TKs up for big convoys to the Home Islands. I really like the 5 Tonan Whalers for trips between Takao (a hub) and Nagasaki. They can carry oil and resources in one shot. Wish I had more of em.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 3:21:10 PM

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 4:16:09 PM

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Mutsu:� 44-9(9)-13(1)-0 - Currently at Rabaul getting temporary repairs.� Expected to move back to the Home Islands in 59 days.

Yamashiro:� 38-22(6)-20(1)-0 - Currently at Rabaul getting temporary repairs.� Expected to move back to the Home Islands in 69 days.

Kinugasa:� 8-0-1(1)-0 - Currently at Truk.� Will have all minor damage repaired in 6 days.� Will then return to Rabaul (where an AR is located) for full repairs.

Kako:� 20-4(4)-4-0 - Currently at Truk.� Will have all minor damage repaired in 14 days.� Will then return to Rabaul for full repairs.

Aoba:� 0-3(3)-6(6)-0 - One day's sail from the Home Islands for full repairs.

3 DDs:� Moderate damage from the battles around Pt. Moresby and Tulagi.� Fully repaired in 15-30 days.

I-122:� 0-54(54)-18(18)-0 - Will leave Singkawang for full repairs at Hong Kong.

I-123:� 0-71(71)-(9)-0 - Enroute to Hong Kong (17 days out) for full repairs.

Ryujo:� 14-0-1(1)-0 - At Babeldaob.� Fifteen days to full repairs.

Potentially stupid question, but why keep a ship in Rabaul for 59 days getting "temporary" repairs? Once you've got flotation patched, aren't you better off sending it to a major shipyard immediately?

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 4:22:47 PM

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I've heard horror stories that ships sailing with major flot damage and sys damage can increase their flot damage and possibly sink. I repair all minor sys and flot damage before they leave port to get complete repairs.

That's not a stupid question, by the way. Very good question. Who wants to lose a valuable ship that way anyway?

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 4:22:48 PM

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 6:51:05 PM

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I hate losing ships. I'll station some Zeros at Jolo and sweep at low altitude. I've been reconning off an on and haven't seen any PTs, but I'll do it again a couple of days out to make sure.

have you found that the low altitude sweeps actually ever hit the PT's? They seem to avoid every air attack I make, though they go down easy to a surface group. They were much tougher pre-patch 1.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 6:54:27 PM

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I've heard horror stories that ships sailing with major flot damage and sys damage can increase their flot damage and possibly sink. I repair all minor sys and flot damage before they leave port to get complete repairs.

That's not a stupid question, by the way. Very good question. Who wants to lose a valuable ship that way anyway?

I find that putting the ships pierside to just clean up sys damage is enough, provided you:

a> run the ship home at cruise speed
b> have less than about 70 float damage.
c> fix ALL the sys damage

the sys damage includes the pumps. When they are fully repaired, I've been able to send home damaged BB's with 78 float damage and a 3 knot speed from Pearl to San Fran without trouble. OTOH, I tried sending a damaged BB from Truk to Tokyo with only 49 float but 20 sys damage; almost didnt make it. Had something like 90 float when it finally got home. So the sys damage seems to be key to getting those ships home safe.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 7:04:41 PM

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I hate losing ships. I'll station some Zeros at Jolo and sweep at low altitude. I've been reconning off an on and haven't seen any PTs, but I'll do it again a couple of days out to make sure.

have you found that the low altitude sweeps actually ever hit the PT's? They seem to avoid every air attack I make, though they go down easy to a surface group. They were much tougher pre-patch 1.

Hmm, now that you mention it, I tried it several times with Zeros and never sank one. They attacked but did little or no damage. I took down 8 British MTBs on 12 Dec off Iba when they came up against 2 CA, 1 CL & 2 DD. I haven't come accross any other PTs. They're around though. I know there are some on the north side of Mindinao. Next time KB passes by, I may see if they go after them. Three US PTs were scuttled, at Manila I think.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 7:04:42 PM

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I agree with you on damage. Usually, by the time the sys damage is repaired, all except the major damage is repaired as well.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 7:05:48 PM

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I hate losing ships. I'll station some Zeros at Jolo and sweep at low altitude. I've been reconning off an on and haven't seen any PTs, but I'll do it again a couple of days out to make sure.

have you found that the low altitude sweeps actually ever hit the PT's? They seem to avoid every air attack I make, though they go down easy to a surface group. They were much tougher pre-patch 1.

In my game cap_and_gown's Oscars have hit my PT's. Their armament is a bit light, so they didn't sink any. Still, they put the hurt on a number of them.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 7:33:57 PM

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Kako: 20-4(4)-4-0 - Currently at Truk. Will have all minor damage repaired in 14 days. Will then return to Rabaul for full repairs.

Can you get an AR there Mike ? heavy damage of 5 or less can then be repaired, not nearly as useful as AR's in WITP but they do have uses in AE.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 7:38:22 PM

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Rob, my two ARs are at Babeldaob and Rabaul. That's why they'll go back to Rabaul for final repairs.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 8:05:39 PM

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RE: Number of planes in those big training units......not a full complement. I think (though I am not sure), that the pilots train a little faster if there are full planes present, but then again, there are never any ops losses or damage to aircraft. It's like the training is all classroom, and the planes sit on the tarmac.

Certainly you don't have 64 Kates or Vals to spare that early. Training is a fabulous way to use all those Jeans though.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 8:12:04 PM

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Q-Ball, I wish I could use those Jeans. PDU is off. They're waiting to be put in a museum after the victorious conclusion of the war. (Hopefully, it'll be my victorious conclusion.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 8:12:08 PM

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Q-Ball, I wish I could use those Jeans. PDU is off. They're waiting to be put in a museum after the victorious conclusion of the war. (Hopefully, it'll be my victorious conclusion.

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RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 - 3/4/2010 9:48:29 PM

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Upgrading the Claudes in the Marshalls.... Tried myself to upgrade those damn units,
but beside the 20k supply needed the greyed "upgrade now" button told me i need a level 7 airfield !
Is this true or a bad joke ? I actually ship my Claudes completely to Rabaul. There are enough supplies and a air HQ.
We�ll see if this works.

Next problem: Resizing the air units at CV�s. What conditions i have to meet here to resize my units ?
I actually try to resize a small Val-Unit using the Taiyo. First i tried this in Pescadores, now i moved the ship to Takao
cause i have more supply there. The unit is set to "resize to fit ship". Problem might be i have only 13 Vals in the pool.
The unit has a higher pilot number now and the plane number increased by one to 4 now.
How did the resizing work for you ? I would like to have some carrier air units increased in size.
Is there a way to resize air units in restricted commands i can�t buy out ?

Since i know you like questions and here are enough specialists like Q-Ball i thought i can ask here

(in reply to Mike Solli)

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