Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Golden Bear

Man, I must be dense but I don't understand the issue here at all.

If the range is different now than in the original BTR, then I learn to live with it...

or, if one of you other players think that it is too short, then you need to convince HS to change it.

Personally I cannot tell from Sarge's screenies what point is being made.

The new/current range seems about correct to me, based upon rather a lot of readings about the subject. But I understand if other people have different opinions.

If you can live with the new range, then that should be that. If you want more or somehow a different property (speed, elevation) then make a proposal to HS and he can either tell you "no" or try to implement it. Seems like it should be simpler than all this discussion indicates.

I'll put on my hard hat now and climb into my slit trench...


Carl

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ORIGINAL: Golden Bear

Man, I must be dense but I don't understand the issue here at all.

If the range is different now than in the original BTR, then I learn to live with it...

I didn't know it had been changed. Maybe, there was a bug?

or, if one of you other players think that it is too short, then you need to convince HS to change it.

Personally I cannot tell from Sarge's screenies what point is being made.

I think HARD_Sarge was being patronizing to dense me.

The new/current range seems about correct to me, based upon rather a lot of readings about the subject. But I understand if other people have different opinions.

Mine is ALL opinion. I have no facts to back that opinion up. Just comparing TOH to BtR

If you can live with the new range, then that should be that. If you want more or somehow a different property (speed, elevation) then make a proposal to HS and he can either tell you "no" or try to implement it. Seems like it should be simpler than all this discussion indicates.

What in ED-BtR is simple!

I'll put on my hard hat now and climb into my slit trench...
Move over!



Carl

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

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the old, Welli from the BTR game, wasn't correct, it was one of the planes, that was moved over, as is, I corrected it, because it needed to be corrected

I am still up in the air on the RCM models, all of them

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ORIGINAL: kaybayray

As I stated in one of my earlier posts, if this new value is the correct Historical value then we're done. If it is not, then I was requesting that a change to the correct Historical value should be considered.

I prefer to play a Historical Simulation Strategy Game with equipment that has Historical Capabilities. In this way I can attempt "What if" strategies using the same equipment that was actually available.

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

looks like we will be losing more stuff

192 Squadron should be going, maybe one or more of the Welli elints

only elint mission so far, I can track, was to Essen, so don't help

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ORIGINAL: HMSWarspite

You have to bear in mind that some consequences are not modelled. E.g (with a not terribly relevant game, but very real Life example) AI Mk10 (centimetric) radar was not allowed over Enemy territory for years after its in service date because of the risk of giving the magnetron technology to the Germans. The game would have not effect for any Mk10 aircraft beinbg shot down, and thus allowing the use of such aircraft unrestricted is unhistorical. Now, if the Germans got a random advance to centrimetric radar availabilty date every time a Mk10 radar aircraft was shot down over german territory (say), then you could allow the choice of how and when to use them to the allied player. If you dont model any effect for the Germans, other restrictions might be appropriate... (like restricted range, straight bans from use, not having them in the game in the first place, etc)

See the point?

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ORIGINAL: HMSWarspite

You have to bear in mind that some consequences are not modelled ... See the point?

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ORIGINAL: MaraTheFinn

Look:

The Aircraft (A Historical Guide for the Modeller) of 100 Group by Martin Streetly (ISBN: 0 7090 1043 5), 1984, 174p.

It has silhuets and data about all RCM aircraft used in Europe during WW2.
RCM B17's did not have the chin-turret. There was a radar. Some RCM Forts did not have the belly turret either. All had aerials and a lot of those.
It looks like RCM Wellingtons had all armament except waist guns.

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ORIGINAL: Baron von Beer

ELINT related, rather than start a new thread:   For the ELINT RCM aircraft to do their thing and expedite deployment of more advanced kit, is it sortie based, or dependent on them getting lit up? EG: Is flying around getting spotted by Freya/Mamuts along the coast as effective as going in and having those plus several night fighter radar types on a single mission?

We don't really have any instruction/game feedback on what they do, or how they are supposed to do it.

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

working on it

main issue, is most of these are not "reported"

but getting info

what is odd, is how they were set up, you could fly some Elint (ferret) some window decoy, and some Mandrel screens all on the same day with the same squadron

the window decoy look to be the ones I want

really is a interesting story, first idea was to be, to place two RCM planes into each Squadron, but then they figured out that a Squadron, for this would be better, then... it was seen that a Squadron wasn't enough, and it would take a Group of it's own

to do what I got/want to do, I need Harley, and, he is busy, trying to get the patch finished

I had read about the differing missions, but figured it would be difficult to program without using a bunch of detachments.
Late in the game, I can simulate the above with the extra RCMs being on-line.

Warspite, has a lot of it right, most of the good stuff, wasn't allowed to be used (Windows is interesting, the English wouldn't use it, as they didn't want the Germans to figure it out, but the Germans knew about it in 1940, and wouldn't use it, so the English wouldn't figure it out !, by late 43, the English figured, they didn't care anymore)

and a lot of the advances were when crashes, or bad landings were made

H2S was seen, but wasn't known what it was, until one crashed, and then the Germans were able to make a tracker for it

This is why I'm convinced this is being modelled... No, I don't want to know.
I don't like facts messing up my convictions!

(good story, early on, when the US and the English started trading info, and needs, they worked out what was going to be needed to make the devices, the US leader, went to a US plant, and was taking a tour, of where these parts were going to be made, but the Manager wasn't looking too happy, finally, he asked him what was the matter, and he replied, well, it is going to be HARD, and I am going to really need to do some work, but 15,000 parts a week is going to be HARD to handle, the guy looked at him, a week ?, I need 15,000 a year, ahhh, a year, that is easy)

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

looks like we will be losing more stuff

192 Squadron should be going, maybe one or more of the Welli elints

only elint mission so far, I can track, was to Essen, so don't help

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ORIGINAL: MaraTheFinn
RCM B17's did not have the chin-turret. There was a radar. Some RCM Forts did not have the belly turret either. All had aerials and a lot of those.