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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/11/2010 9:20:41 PM

Andy Mac

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OK he has arrived at Colombo and its timne to try again with the fight back.

I am trying something new

My best AVM and the 221 RAF Gp HQ has assembled at Trivandrum

Actually ordered to serve under that HQ cost me 200 PP's

3 Sqns of Marauders and 1 of Havocs so only two types of bomber
3 Sqns of US fighters (RAF Hurricane Pools are to low)

Going to try a co ordinated raid for one lets see how it works

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/12/2010 1:53:05 AM

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Why go and get him? Why not just put up a big cap and hunker down and/or keep all your strikes local to that hex? Seems to me that attacking him over his bases is playing into his hands since you lose pilots and he doesn't. Better to let him come to you and keep an airforce in being, which A) keeps him honest in that he has to cap his bases and B) costs him pilots since he has to fight over your bases.

Were I him, I'd love for you to impale yourself on his CAP. He gets free kills and clears the skies.

On the other hand, if he wants to take columbo, he *probably* has to bomb it first to disrupt your units. To do that, he needs to come to you.

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/12/2010 5:04:20 PM

Andy Mac

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Oh its in the Colombo hex I was trying a ground attack raid on his forces to try and force him to LRCAP Colombo.

Anyway today 221 RAF Group launched two raids one co ordinated one not - I lost about 5 Marausers in the un co ordinated attack.

But the good news he also tried ground attacking my garrison at Colombo and walked into a dense Flak trap.

I have over 300 AA guns inside the perimeter.... he lost 12 aircraft today 9 of them Lillies....

I dont think air power will be able to disrupt my troops to much

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/12/2010 5:05:41 PM

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70th British Div arrived today not sure whether or not to try and get that Div into Colombo or not. It will take a month to get close anyway.

Andy

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/12/2010 10:08:13 PM

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Looks like about 6 Divs to my 3 at Colombo.....

Might be a bit tight

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 01, 42
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TF 99 encounters mine field at Soerabaja (56,104)

Japanese Ships
     DMS W-3

16 mines cleared

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Submarine attack near Perth at 49,146

Japanese Ships
     SS I-162

Allied Ships
     xAKL De Haan, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

xAKL De Haan is sighted by SS I-162
SS I-162 launches 6 torpedoes at xAKL De Haan

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TF 281 encounters mine field at Rabaul (106,125)

Allied Ships
     SS Seawolf, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Amphibious Assault at Rossel Island

TF 113 troops unloading over beach at Rossel Island, 105,137

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TF 99 encounters mine field at Soerabaja (56,104)

Japanese Ships
     DMS W-3

18 mines cleared

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Sub attack near Davao at 81,93

Japanese Ships
     AMc Hinode Maru #17
     ACM Seisho Maru

Allied Ships
     SS Perch

SS Perch launches 2 torpedoes at AMc Hinode Maru #17
Perch diving deep ....
ACM Seisho Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
ACM Seisho Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
ACM Seisho Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
ACM Seisho Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
ACM Seisho Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Trivandrum at 27,42

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
     H81-A3 x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     H81-A3: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
      8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 19000 feet

CAP engaged:
AVG/2nd Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Trivandrum at 27,42

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
     Kittyhawk I x 2
     P-40E Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
     P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
      8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 19000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.111 Sqn RCAF with Kittyhawk I (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000
     Raid is overhead
50th PG/11th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Trivandrum at 27,42

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 10
     G3M2 Nell x 24

Allied aircraft
     H81-A3 x 3
     Kittyhawk I x 4
     P-39D Airacobra x 2
     P-40E Warhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
     G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
     H81-A3: 2 destroyed
     Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
     xAK Edgar Luckenbach, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
     xAK West Isleta, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
     xAK Delawarean, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     xAK Montgomery City, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
     10 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
     12 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
51st PG/16th PS with P-40E Warhawk (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     3 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 12000
     Raid is overhead
     3 planes vectored on to bombers
35th PG/Hq Sqn with P-39D Airacobra (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 9000
     Raid is overhead
AVG/2nd Sqn with H81-A3 (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     3 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Raid is overhead
No.111 Sqn RCAF with Kittyhawk I (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     4 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000
     Raid is overhead
50th PG/11th PS with P-40E Warhawk (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Raid is overhead
     1 planes vectored on to bombers

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 29,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     G3M2 Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
     H81-A3 x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
     G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
     xAK Shirala

Aircraft Attacking:
      2 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
AVG/2nd Sqn with H81-A3 (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     1 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000
     Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on 106th RN Base Force, at 57,89

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 6
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     10 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 106th RN Base Force, at 57,89

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
      6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 106th RN Base Force, at 57,89

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
     27 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion, at 29,49

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
     H81-A3 x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
      2 x H81-A3 sweeping at 20000 feet *

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1 Det A with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 19000
     Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment, at 29,49

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4

Allied aircraft
     A-20A Havoc x 12
     B-26 Marauder x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     A-20A Havoc: 1 damaged
     B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
     14 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 12000 feet *
              Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
     10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
              Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000
     Raid is overhead
11th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 19000
     Raid is overhead

Also attacking 55th Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Engineer Regiment ...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 29,48

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 9
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
     H81-A3 x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     H81-A3: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 19000 feet
      9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 19000 feet

CAP engaged:
AVG/2nd Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 29,48

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 19000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 29,48

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     G3M2 Nell x 7
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
     xAK Shirala

Aircraft Attacking:
      7 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on 101st RAF Base Force, at 61,42

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 16
     Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     5 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      8 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      8 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Amphibious Assault at Rekata Bay

TF 18 troops unloading over beach at Rekata Bay, 113,134

Japanese ground losses:
     15 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of Bandasan SNLF
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost in surf during unload of Bandasan SNLF

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Pre-Invasion action off Singkep

Japanese Ships
     DD Karukaya

DD Karukaya firing at Riouw KNIL Battalion

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Amphibious Assault at Singkep

TF 198 troops unloading over beach at Singkep, 49,87

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Ground combat at 87,54

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 41385 troops, 356 guns, 153 vehicles, Assault Value = 1456

Defending force 0 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 2404

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 2404 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
     37 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
     Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
     Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
   39th Division
   22nd Division
   15th Division
   19th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
   100th Chinese Corps
   14th Chinese Base Force

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Ground combat at Pucheng (86,57)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 310 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 937

Defending force 22622 troops, 168 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 811

Japanese ground losses:
     5 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
   40th Division
   12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
   102nd Infantry Regiment
   17th/B Division
   4th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
   50th Chinese Corps
   70th Chinese Corps
   86th Chinese Corps
   3rd New Chinese Corps
   23rd Group Army
   32nd Group Army

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Ground combat at Sabang (44,70)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2812 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Defending force 1062 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 44

Japanese adjusted assault: 137

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 137 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(-), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
     25 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
     932 casualties reported
        Squads: 51 destroyed, 6 disabled
        Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 11 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
   Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
   Yokosuka 1st SNLF
   Yokosuka Assault SNLF

Defending units:
   NS KNIL Territory Regiment

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Ground combat at 47,88

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1494 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 720 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Japanese adjusted assault: 51

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 51 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
     33 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
     365 casualties reported
        Squads: 13 destroyed, 8 disabled
        Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 9 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
   Yokosuka 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
   Padang Garrison Battalion

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 33770 troops, 543 guns, 574 vehicles, Assault Value = 1236

Defending force 86406 troops, 732 guns, 349 vehicles, Assault Value = 2975

Japanese ground losses:
     1024 casualties reported
        Squads: 9 destroyed, 64 disabled
        Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 83 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
     Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
     9 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
   22nd New Chinese Div /1
   Colombo Fortress
   18th Australian Brigade
   7th Aus Div Cav Rgt /3
   2/1 AIF Pioneer Bn /1
   6th Australian Division
   98th Indian Brigade
   25th Australian Brigade
   100th Indian Brigade
   99th Indian Brigade
   2/3rd MG Battalion
   23rd Indian Div /13
   NS KNIL Territory Rgt /1
   222 Group RAF
   Addu RN Base Force
   35th Light AA Regiment
   48th Light AA Regiment
   1/3 Ceylon Det
   RAF 222 Group Wing
   2/13th Field Regiment
   1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
   Eastern Fleet
   Sabang Base Force
   2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
   Ceylon Command
   Pathan Const Bn /1
   6th Heavy AA Regiment
   808th Engineer Aviation Battalion
   85th British AT Gun Regiment
   23rd AA Bde
   22nd Light AA Regiment
   IV Indian Corps /1

Defending units:
   148th Infantry Regiment
   5th Division
   113th Infantry Regiment
   33rd Division
   14th Division
   6th Guards Division
   112th Infantry Regiment
   Imperial Guards Division
   41st Infantry Regiment
   16th Guards Regiment
   25th Army
   21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/15/2010 11:47:59 PM

Andy Mac

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I did everything I could same planes, same altitude, hq, supply, low fatigue, good leaders etc etc and lost 63 P39's for 4 oscars today as my sweep went into a base 2 hexes away piecemeal.

I give up I have no idea how air to air works in this game.

I am doing something wrong but I dont know what and these losses are unsustainable.

I thought stock was bad this is killing me.

Andy

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 12:22:10 AM

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Colombo is in trouble and its going to need a lot of luck for me to hang on there I cannot risk a major convoy as KB has dissapeared

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 12:29:36 AM

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Why sweep? He's going to have to come to you at columbo; why not just fly local CAP?

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 7:32:44 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I did everything I could same planes, same altitude, hq, supply, low fatigue,�good leaders etc etc and lost 63 P39's for 4 oscars today as my sweep went into a base 2 hexes away piecemeal.

I give up I have no idea how air to air works in this game.

I am doing something wrong but I dont know what and these losses are unsustainable.

I thought stock was bad this is killing me.

Andy

I don�t want to pour oil into the fire but perhaps that�s just how it works in AE and that�s the now so called "strike pack" airwar? I�m experiencing the same in at least 90% of the strikes and see the same my opponent is suffering from. Escorts split off the bombers all the time and strikes mostly go in in bits and pieces. Like in your example, all conditions are met in my PBEM too when I try to fly strikes, there�s only this one condition left I�ve mentioned to you in the pm but I seriously doubt that�s the reason. IMO air needs to be looked at, it�s a big leap from WITP but it has it�s flaws and those are by nothing better than the loops we suffered in WITP when looking at your 63 Airacobras lost to 4 Oscars. It�s ok to see strikes going wrong but it shouldn�t be the norm, but that�s exactly what is happenign in AE, strikes go wrong nearly everytime, no matter what you do. That�s definetely not reflecting how it worked in real life as it wouldn�t be that much of a problem for a big base to launch a couple of dozen fighters and send them out together to the same target 90 miles away, we�re not talking about a 4E bomber strike going 800 miles into Germany at night.

I can�t see what you�re doing wrong as you meet all the conditions we�re told all the time and so do I. Add in the huge effects of the bounce and voila and you get one of the loops as a result and this can be repeated on and on if you want to do so (you won�t have the fighters to do it anyway

). Someone will pop in stating one incident with a 16:1 kill rate of Oscars vs. US fighters (will be hard to find one, if there even is one) and will say this could happen in real life. Just like my fights that are constantly happening at altitudes higher than 30.000ft could happen in real life, but not with the results I�m experiencing. Engagements between Oscars at 38.000ft and Allied fighters at 30-36.000ft in early 42 is a dream that wouldn�t work.

< Message edited by castor troy -- 2/16/2010 7:35:53 AM >

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 8:05:00 AM

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I think I may have figured it out.

At least I have a suspicion

I think I have been blinded by the A2A and air defence skill levels and am ignoring the general xp level to much

on averge my pilots are 40 - 50 general xp and 60 - 70 A2A

I think for offensive ops especially general xp needs to higher and may actually be more important than A2A because its general XP that determines co ordination etc

A2A alone is fine for CAP fighters but for strike aircraft it needs both skill types.

Now thats all supposition and guess work as I have no inside info on this one - but its the only variable that wasnt set perfectly

So I will take a look around and see what I can see.

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 8:06:24 AM

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ps if I am right that going to be a PITA as I hate micro managing pilots - that why I play allies so I dont have to do this stuff !!!

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 8:14:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I think I may have figured it out.

At least I have a suspicion

I think I have been blinded by the A2A and air defence skill levels and am ignoring the general xp level to much

on averge my pilots are 40 - 50 general xp and 60 -�70 A2A

I think for offensive ops especially general xp needs to higher and may actually be more important than A2A because its general XP that determines co ordination etc

A2A alone is fine for CAP fighters but for strike aircraft it needs both skill types.

Now thats all supposition and guess work as I have no inside info on this one - but its the only variable that wasnt set perfectly

So I will take a look around and see what I can see.

IIRC khyberbill told me in my AAR that he suffered the same things early in his game and it got better as the game was progressing, therefore he also thinks much is about exp. The problem though is that it takes a year of combat to get a pilot from 50 to 70 exp and I�m not sure he will live long enough to make it through all those failed attempts to fly a coordinated strike.

What speaks against this theory too is the AVG, my pilots are all "high" exp (around 70) and still they never combine for a strike ("all" and "never" are exagarations).

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 1:32:50 PM

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New rule for me

No Sqn will be committed to action except at direst need unless all pilots are 50 general xp/50 A2A minimum and at least 50% of the pilots are 65/65

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 1:57:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

New rule for me

No Sqn will be committed to action except at direst need unless all pilots are 50 general xp/50 A2A minimum and at least 50% of the pilots are 65/65

Andy

I hope this works for you, like I�ve said, the AVG with average exp of 70 isn�t able to fly combined strikes in my game and it will take a loooong time until you will have a squadron that is overall higher experienced (not skilled) than the AVG... if you will ever reach that as exp itselve increases awfully slow, no matter if ongoing combat or not. Skill is no problem at all to reach 70 though, but the skill won�t help you if you come in with 10 of your comrades to face 100 fighters on Cap.

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 2:11:12 PM

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No Sqn will be committed to action except at direst need unless all pilots are 50 general xp/50 A2A minimum and at least 50% of the pilots are 65/65

That is a good rule and I have tried to do same. I seem to run into a lot of dire needs though! If I have the luxury of time, I sweep for several days before an attack. Hurricanes work best in early years. Corsairs work well once you start to get them. In fact, they can be quite a heart breaker to the foe.

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RE: Colombo Raided - 2/16/2010 9:59:52 PM

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Better day for the allies inthe air as my combined flak and fighters 34 enemy aircraft down today.....

Good o

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 08, 42
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Morning Air attack on 6th Australian Division, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 7
     Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 2
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
     P-39D Airacobra x 2
     P-400 Airacobra x 7
     P-40E Warhawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
8th PG/36th PS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 29000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
AVG/2nd Sqn with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 23000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
58th PG/67th PS with P-400 Airacobra (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 23000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 6th Australian Division, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 19
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12

Allied aircraft
     P-39D Airacobra x 1
     P-40E Warhawk x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
     P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
8th PG/36th PS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 29000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
AVG/2nd Sqn with P-40E Warhawk (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     5 plane(s) intercepting now.
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 29000
     Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on 85th British AT Gun Regiment, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 58 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-Ic Sally x 6
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 24
     Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 3
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
     P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
     Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
     11 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 28000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      3 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 19000 feet
      7 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 28000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      6 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 25000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 28000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
AVG/2nd Sqn with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     1 plane(s) intercepting now.
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 29000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes

Also attacking 1st RM Heavy AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 23rd Indian Div /13 ...
Also attacking 18th Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 25th Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking Colombo Fortress ...

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Morning Air attack on Colombo Fortress, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 68 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-Ic Sally x 12
     Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 1
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 9

Allied aircraft
     P-40E Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 damaged
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 25000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
AVG/2nd Sqn with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 29000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes

Also attacking Eastern Fleet ...
Also attacking Colombo Fortress ...

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Morning Air attack on 6th Australian Division, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 63 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 4
     Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 1
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 13 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     5 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
     11 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      4 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 28000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on KNIL Army Command , at 49,101

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     6 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
     11 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on KNIL Army Command , at 49,101

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     5 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Trivandrum at 27,43

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     G3M2 Nell x 8

Allied aircraft
     P-39D Airacobra x 16
     P-40E Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
     G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
50th PG/11th PS with P-40E Warhawk (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     3 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000
     Raid is overhead
8th PG/35th PS with P-39D Airacobra (5 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     5 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
8th PG/36th PS with P-39D Airacobra (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     1 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 2/9th Field Regiment, at 31,41 (Trichinopoly)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
      3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      4 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
     10 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2/9th Field Regiment, at 31,41 (Trichinopoly)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
      7 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 23000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 107th RAF Base Force, at 59,42 (Kalemyo)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 19
     Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
     14 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      9 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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ASW attack near Miri at 64,87

Japanese Ships
     DD Tatsukaze
     PB Hozugawa Maru
     PB Fuji Maru #4

Allied Ships
     SS Saury

SS Saury launches 4 torpedoes at DD Tatsukaze
Saury bottoming out ....
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Miri at 64,87

Japanese Ships
     PB Hozugawa Maru
     PB Fuji Maru #4

Allied Ships
     SS Snapper

SS Snapper is sighted by escort
Snapper bottoming out ....
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Fuji Maru #4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Amphibious Assault at San Jose

TF 131 troops unloading over beach at San Jose, 78,84

Japanese ground losses:
     10 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

81mm Mortar lost overboard during unload of 5th Amphibious Bde /3
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 5th Amphibious Bde /4
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 5th Amphibious Bde /5
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 5th Amphibious Bde /5

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Ground combat at 29,47

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 659 troops, 0 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 57

Defending force 26 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 104

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 104 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
     Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
     24 casualties reported
        Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 58 (58 destroyed, 0 disabled)
     Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
   1st Tank Regiment

Defending units:
   21st Australian Bde /1

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Ground combat at Malang (55,105)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1851 troops, 154 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 25936 troops, 269 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 661

Allied ground losses:
     3 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
   23rd Tank Regiment
   9th Tank Regiment
   10th Tank Regiment
   48th Division
   65th Brigade
   3rd Tank Regiment
   21st Division
   2nd Tank Regiment
   11th Tank Regiment
   2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
   9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   14th Army
   1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
   2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
   1st KNIL Regiment
   Batavia Coastal Gun Battalion
   Tjilatjap KNIL Battalion
   Marinier Battalion
   3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
   1st Regt Cavalerie
   1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
   4th KNIL Regiment
   Van Altena Battalion
   Commandement Marine
   1 ML-KNIL Aviation
   Madion Base Force
   ABDA
   Soerabaja Base Force
   3rd KNIL AA Battalion
   Kalidjati Base Force
   North Java Base Force
   ML-KNIL
   Loemafjang Base Force
   MLD
   Batavia Base Force
   Tjilitap Base Force
   Bandoeng Base Force

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 87196 troops, 1076 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 2859

Defending force 45037 troops, 868 guns, 981 vehicles, Assault Value = 960

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1063

Allied adjusted defense: 1701

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
     1977 casualties reported
        Squads: 7 destroyed, 89 disabled
        Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 202 disabled
        Engineers: 20 destroyed, 71 disabled
     Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
     3553 casualties reported
        Squads: 44 destroyed, 96 disabled
        Non Combat: 110 destroyed, 461 disabled
        Engineers: 7 destroyed, 41 disabled
     Guns lost 26 (4 destroyed, 22 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 175 (54 destroyed, 121 disabled)

Assaulting units:
   12th Engineer Regiment
   41st Infantry Regiment
   112th Infantry Regiment
   14th Division
   33rd Division
   Imperial Guards Division
   5th Division
   113th Infantry Regiment
   148th Infantry Regiment
   6th Guards Division
   55th Engineer Regiment
   16th Guards Regiment
   3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   55th Mountain Gun Regiment
   1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
   6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
   3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
   56th Field Artillery Regiment
   2nd Mortar Battalion
   9th Ind.Hvy.Art. AT Gun Regiment
   15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
   20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
   25th Army
   1st RF Gun Battalion
   10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
   14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
   18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
   Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
   2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
   3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
   21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
   25th Australian Brigade
   99th Indian Brigade
   21st Australian Bde /2
   6th Australian Division
   2/3rd MG Battalion
   Colombo Fortress
   18th Australian Brigade
   NS KNIL Territory Regiment
   98th Indian Brigade
   100th Indian Brigade
   23rd Indian Div /13
   2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
   222 Group RAF
   Addu RN Base Force
   Ceylon Command
   Eastern Fleet
   85th British AT Gun Regiment
   2/13th Field Regiment
   1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
   35th Light AA Regiment
   808th Engineer Aviation Battalion
   6th Heavy AA Regiment
   1/3 Ceylon Det
   22nd Light AA Regiment
   RAF 222 Group Wing
   23rd AA Bde
   48th Light AA Regiment
   IV Indian Corps /1

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Ground combat at Probolinggo (56,105)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1655 troops, 4 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 90

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 70

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 70 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Probolinggo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
   1st Recon Regiment
   4th Tank Regiment

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Ground combat at 49,101

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3657 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 1266 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 87

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
     19 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
     89 casualties reported
        Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 3 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
   20th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
   2nd KNIL Regiment
   KNIL Army Command
   1st KNIL AA Battalion

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Ground combat at Nias (42,79)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 76 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 6

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Nias !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
   2nd Raiding Rgt /2

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Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 3:48:03 PM

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OK we lost and it hurts as I didnt expect it to fall.

I lost over 100 aircraft between A2A and destroyed when the town fell

60,000 CW soldiers marched into captivity

Not a good day

I wasnt expecting it so its a bad loss in total 34th Indian Div, 6th Australian Div and a bde of 7th Australian Div are all in the bag.

Really not good.

Especially as 70th British Div, 7th Armoured Bde, 23rd Indian Div, 75th Indian Bde, 2 Medium Arty Regts and 4 Field Aryty Regts were en route and no more than 4 days out.....

I will do a full washup of my errors later but the main one was to defend at Colombo - I should have defended Tricomalee as Colombo's terrain is to favourible to Artillery.

Andy

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 4:12:55 PM

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Roughly how many division equivalents did your opponent use and how high were your fort levels?

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 9:55:03 PM

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He had about 7 Divs against my 3 ish

But he had an Arty Death star that was well nasty

3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
56th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. AT Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

It was the Arty that made the difference as my forces were doing ok until they started pounding.

I dont know how much trouble the Arty was to keep supplied but the fact that he was even able to unload that lot over the beach or into a lvl 1 port was the issue.

Anyway my learning points.

1. The japanese can unload anything no matter how heavy over any size port untilt he amphib bonus goes.
2. I shouldnt have tried to defend Colombo - Trico would have neutralised a lot of that Arty's killing power.
3. Lvl 4 forts were actually ok at Trico my reinforcements would have made it in time.
4. Ceylon Command is NOT a corps HQ (I wrote the dammed Indian ORBAT and I forgot this little detail) - to get max HQ benefit you need a Corps HQ and a Command or Army HQ in range - I had 2 Command HQ's and it cost me. Thts why I was flying in IV Corps HQ when I realised the cock up.
5. DIVISIONS DIVISIONS DIVISIONS - number 1 lesson and I cannot say it strongly enough dont bring a knife to a gun fight. This kind of long drawn out killing match on defence or attack needs Division - to much of my AV was in Bn or Bde sized units 1 Div > 3 bdes > 9Bns - Divisions MUST fight Divisions att eh end my only unit that was fully combat effective was the Australian Div the 3 Indian Bdes were in ok shape but the mix and match of Bns etc of the rest of my forces was a wreck

Andy

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 10:03:31 PM

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Andy Mac,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

5. DIVISIONS DIVISIONS DIVISIONS - number 1 lesson and I cannot say it strongly enough dont bring a knife to a gun fight. This kind of long drawn out killing match on defence or attack needs Division - to much of my AV was in Bn or Bde sized units 1 Div > 3 bdes > 9Bns - Divisions MUST fight Divisions att eh end my only unit that was fully combat effective was the Australian Div the 3 Indian Bdes were in ok shape but the mix and match of Bns etc of the rest of my forces was a wreck

Could you please elaborate a bit why this is the case ? At least for the Div vs Bde statement my *impression* (not based on solid knowledge) was that at least when naval bombardments come into play the larger formation would be a disadvantage, because it would be completely disrupted, whereas the chance that one or two Bde remain unaffected was leading to better overall combat ability.

Thanks

Hartwig

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 10:08:23 PM

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japanese love the super heavy Art pieces including 24cm (9.5" Howitzwer) compare that to the typical 4.5" and 5.5" CW Howitzers and maybe late war the odd 7.2"

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 10:13:18 PM

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Andy Mac,

I assume this is in response to me...

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japanese love the super heavy Art pieces including 24cm (9.5" Howitzwer) compare that to the typical 4.5" and 5.5" CW Howitzers and maybe late war the odd 7.2"

If so, I was more after the reason for superiority of the Divisions over Bdes. Also due to a difference in the respective artillery embedded ?

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 10:13:32 PM

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In a one off fight you might be right but in a long drawn out siege or killing fight like this a Div stands up better

Losing 10 Squads out a Div means the Div is at 97%
Losing 10 Squads out of a Bn means its at 67%

Smaller units suffer more.

You need Divs for big fights

Bdes at a pinch will do but Bns are a waste of space.

e.g. 6th Aus Div was at AV 360 the turn before Ceylon fell
34th Indian Div (made up of 98th 99th and 100th Indian Bdes) had about 170 AV

Its a big difference

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/18/2010 10:14:41 PM

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No our posts crossed !!!

But yes its part of the answer

A Div has 3 Regts of medium arty and a regt of medium plus engineers to help it dig in and lots of support

Bdes typically dont have that support

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/19/2010 12:57:53 AM

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Thanks for sharing the pain. This will help me in planning my defense in future knife/gun fights.

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/19/2010 9:56:41 AM

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No our posts crossed !!!

But yes its part of the answer

A Div has 3 Regts of medium arty and a regt of medium plus engineers to help it dig in and lots of support

Bdes typically dont have that support

How much of this will be changed by the latest patch?

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/19/2010 10:21:17 AM

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Not a lot as we wre under hotfix 3 anyway.

I dont actually have an issue with the result really.

I should not have defended the open hex

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/19/2010 10:37:46 AM

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Andy Mac,

thanks for the info provided so far. Still, I want to know some more details

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In a one off fight you might be right but in a long drawn out siege or killing fight like this a Div stands up better

Losing 10 Squads out a Div means the Div is at 97%
Losing 10 Squads out of a Bn means its at 67%

Smaller units suffer more.

You need Divs for big fights

Bdes at a pinch will do but Bns are a waste of space.

e.g. 6th Aus Div was at AV 360 the turn before Ceylon fell
34th Indian Div (made up of 98th 99th and 100th Indian Bdes) had about 170 AV

Its a big difference

Interesting comment. If confronted with this type of difference, I would have *intuitively assumed* (without knowing) the difference here may be the experience of the respective units (the Australians are more seasoned at that point of time, are they not ?). Which would make sense, because the low exp units seem to be easily caught in a bad downward spiral that I frequently see and may actually be a reason why the long sieges of Singapore and Manila known from the past do no longer seem to occur (high[er] number of disabled squads/devices after the first attack, leading to high losses due to destruction in the next attack and replenishment of the disabled pool etc).

Your statement seems to imply that the %age of losses/disablements taken influences the combat power of a given unit beyond the removal of the assets. So it's not just the number of available squads (times the corresponding modifiers like exp etc ?) ?

Or is the effect behind your statement that the higher %age of losses taken will affect disruption/fatigue/morale more seriously and thus reduce the effective combat power more significantly ?

In other words, are 400 AV consisting of 10 100AV units with 40 AV remaining combat power each are going to do worse in ground combat than a single 400 AV divisison with 100% of its TOC ready to use, assuming that exp, morale, fatigue, disruption and commander's skills are all equal ?

Or is the difference in the result rather due to the fact that those run-down 40AV units just won't have as good a morale/fatigue/disruption value as the fresh division ?

Sorry that I am that inquisitive

, it's just a topic I am very interested in...

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/19/2010 10:46:32 AM

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Andy Mac,

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Not a lot as we wre under hotfix 3 anyway.

I dont actually have an issue with the result really.

I should not have defended the open hex

well, I think you mentioned one issue that may in fact exist previously. Unloading all that heavy stuff through a lvl 1 port in the amount of time it was unloaded due to the invasion bonus. Perhaps one should define the DEI as a "core region of interest" to the Japanese inside of which it applies fully and tone down its relevance as a function of distance from the core region to make the deep deadly thrusts that are possible now a bit more difficult. If you want to make it less historical and more flexible, allow the Japan player to define the location of that core region of interest.

As an air threat to SLOCS is virtually non-existent in AE for Japan early on, somehow the deep thrust ability should be limited IMHO.

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RE: Colombo Falls - 2/19/2010 1:40:33 PM

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Its not that easy Hartwig there are a huge number of variables involved in the calcs

As a broad statement Divisions have more resisting power that 3 Bde Gps or 9 Bn Groups

Why is is this - well I think its probably partly to do with larger number of devices - typically 3 x Bde Groups don't have the same number of devices as Divs and certainly 9 Bn's even if grouped wouldnt have.

"In other words, are 400 AV consisting of 10 100AV units with 40 AV remaining combat power each are going to do worse in ground combat than a single 400 AV divisison with 100% of its TOC ready to use, assuming that exp, morale, fatigue, disruption and commander's skills are all equal ?"

The honest answer is probably not in a single fight - in actual fact because of the fact that its less all or nothing on some of therolls - i.e. 9 rolls means you will pass 4 or 5 of them on average rather than 0 or 1 then its probably better to be broken down for a single fight - it also restricts the ability of a singe air strike to disrupt your entire unit etc etc.

So with equal everything and all the devices shared actually in some ways 9 Bn Groups may have adevantages in a single fight.

In a long fight the reverse is true as Bns do become combat ineffective quicker in the kind of open filed artyu dominated slugging match I had at Colombo I would have been better to have 3 Full Divs all supported and with full integral engineers, arty etc rather than the mismatch of

1 x Div
3 x Bde Groups
plus odds and sods including the Colombo garrison that added up to another Div's worth of miscellaneous 'stuff'

In order of who stayed combat effective it was clearly the Div which was at about 75% the Bde Groups were at about 60% and the misc crap was at about 30% with several of the third force fully disabled.

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