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RE: Kill em all! - 10/24/2011 7:17:31 AM

PzB74

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Just had a chance to look at today�s turn and the combined strength of the Allied B29s and CAG hit Xmas island!
Despite the ferocity of the attacks poor weather shielded us a bit. So while we lost an AV in port to a lucky 500lb bomb, damage to 2 other ships
and the loss of ~35 ac on the ground our fighters put up a good fight. A dozen sweeps by Corsair CAG fighters removed our CAP and claimed ca 40 fighters shot down, but in return 50 Corsairs and 10 bombers were shot down. In total Allied losses exceeded Jap losses today and we saw the first
2 B29 OPS losses. The range from Pearl to Xmas is 31 hexes, so I guess they operate at extended range (30-35 hexes?).

Also, a lucky spotter ac from Johnston Island spotted one of our surface combat TFs leading the KB east from Marshalls.

As discussed correctly above it�s a big questions whether we should involve KB, especially without LBA cover.
Our air units at Xmas Island were still at 50-60% strength but I moved them all out, transferred the pilots and withdrew the remaining damaged ac.
- The losses to another full strength attack would not justify them making a last stand and isolated there.

All major shipping units in Line Islands will evacuate, midget subs, PT boats and subs will remain behind.

My plan is to keep KB �in the shadows� � Andy will know we�re �around� and be forced to be more careful in how he use it and reserve most of his CAG strike ac for naval targets.

I haven�t spotted an invasion force yet, perhaps it�s incoming but we�ll see!

Any comments to this last screen and developments?

We only got a screening force near Mandalay, some regiments and support units in rough hexes forcing Andy to deploy a larger force to get rid of us. One more turn and our force in Central Burma will cross the river and be 1 hex worth of jungle from Chiang Mai. So another 25 days and this 2000 AV army will be available again. If Andy moves SSE into the jungle east of Moulmein he will have to split his force and it will take him 25 days to move south again through jungle to cut off the railroad going east from Moulmein. By this time we will have 3-4 tank divisions read plus the Central Burma Army to counter this move and most likely we will be able to reduce to Moulmein Army to 2500 AV if Andy splits his force in 2. This should be more than sufficient to also block a march through the jungle!?

Time is our friend and the more time that passes the more reinforcements we receive and our routed LCUs will be given time to rebuild.
Behind the scenes I�m busy building Marianas and Phillippines for endgame play! I would welcome a move through the Kuriles; KB at full strength plus LBA will make this a dream scenario compared to the alternatives.

The Fleets are Closing

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/24/2011 8:14:08 PM

PzB74

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A long report, and I've cut away 65% of the not so interesting bombing missions

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 11, 44

Sub Attacks

A lone US destroyer enters Palmyra....

ASW attack near Palmyra at 170,133

Japanese Ships
SS I-169

Allied Ships
DD Lawrence

SS I-169 is sighted by escort
DD Lawrence fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Lawrence fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Lawrence fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Lawrence fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Lawrence fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Far away on the US West Coast....
Our sub still can, too bad only 2 torps were fired on this CVE!

Submarine attack near Eureka at 213,65

Japanese Ships
SS I-36

Allied Ships
CVE Saginaw Bay, Torpedo hits 1

CVE Saginaw Bay is sighted by SS I-36
SS I-36 launches 2 torpedoes at CVE Saginaw Bay
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Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Palmyra at 170,133, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-7
MTB G-1
MTB G-2
MTB G-3
MTB G-4
MTB G-5

Allied Ships
DD Lawrence

DD Lawrence engages MTB G-5 at 11,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 63
N1K1-J George x 72

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
S-305 Hikotai with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 22 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
752 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 16 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
4th Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 16 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
204 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 27 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 23000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 58
N1K1-J George x 71

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 45
N1K1-J George x 61

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 36
N1K1-J George x 47

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 29
N1K1-J George x 36

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 24
N1K1-J George x 26

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
N1K1-J George x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12
N1K1-J George x 16

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 7
N1K1-J George x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
N1K1-J George x 4

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Corsair II sweeping at 30000 feet
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We continue to snip enemy shipping near Rangoon!

Morning Air attack on TF, near Bassein at 51,52
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PF Glendale, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Modjekerto, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 195
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 136
TBM-1C Avenger x 162

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 damaged
P1Y1 Frances: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 1 destroyed on ground
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
AV Kamoi, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 19
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 48
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 62
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 5 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 42
TBM-1C Avenger x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 20
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
TBM-1C Avenger x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AV Kamoi, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Yae Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Barracuda II x 20
Corsair II x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Barracuda II: 1 damaged
Barracuda II: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 61

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 4 destroyed on ground
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Pacific

75 Allied carrier ac claimed...not bad against such odds!
Andy can forget about Marianas!

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/24/2011 11:11:42 PM

viberpol

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

We have to investigate this turn, I've been talking to Andy and we have ageed to send the turn to Michael for analysis.

Scenario: Andy ordered an all out sweep of Pisanlouke with 400 fighters from Rangoon and follow up by heavy bombing mission.
Result: All Allied fighters stayed home and didn't sweep (Rangoon shrouded in, but bombers still flew).
- The 160 bombers and 30 escort fighters from Rangoon - Pegu area hit Pisanlouke, but we defended with 200 Franks and George's.
The CAP had 30+ min warning time and I expected massacre.

What happened? Another battle like the carrier battle were we flew through Andy's CAP.
After gunning down some bombers and escorts the bombers suddenly slipped through and nuked Pisanlouke.
The 160 bombers caused 100 / 97 damage.

While losses were rather light, we lost some 20 transports and 20 fighters, I was very disheartened by the fact that 200 crack fighters
can't stop 160 meds and 4Es from closing a major base complex. This isn't real!!

John, did Michael give any comment on that?
Actually this turn I had a similar situation:
Crsutton parked his CVs near Soerabaja and attacked the oil fields.
I expected quite a long fight, but to my surprise after 2 or 3 my fighters attacked the whole raid just go through CAP!

Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 31
J2M3 Jack x 27
N1K1-J George x 14
N1K2-J George x 17
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 34

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 190
SBD-5 Dauntless x 156
TBM-1C Avenger x 113

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 damaged

Oil hits 24
Fires 644

I found that the weather has tremendous impact here...
but shouldn't the bombers stay at home more often than fighters in wrong weather?...
IMHO something is wrong here... like you said... CAP is not that deadly as in WITP but now sometimes it's just mediocre poor...
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 31
J2M3 Jack x 25
N1K1-J George x 14
N1K2-J George x 17
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 33

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 36
TBF-1 Avenger x 13
TBM-1C Avenger x 30

Oil hits 6
Fires 750

BTW: During the next attack 43 bombers brought 750 [sic!] fires!
Bigger fires than the first wave of 5x more attackers...
So: JFB, beware. Defend your oil fields... oh no, there's no way to defend it... the CAP is just too mediocre...
I should expect my fighters defend the crucial resources such as oil with a bigger zeal...

< Message edited by viberpol -- 10/24/2011 11:18:50 PM >

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/26/2011 9:52:20 PM

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Viberpol; no Michael didn't. I don't think we have enough..."quantitative" evidence for this yet but I'm pretty sure there is an issue here.
What I think is happening is that to scale down A2A lethality engagements are broken off earlier. With large groups of ac clashing we repeatedly see
that large number of fighters simply skirmish and that the bulk of the bomber stream slips through.

The results of this is that a base protected by 500 CAP fighters can be nuked by a single 4E attack.
With the removal of the "bug" that allowed us to rail damaged air units out of bases this means that the 500 CAP fighters will be trapped in the now 100 damaged base and
can be nuked next turn.

However, it also means that large scale carrier battles often will end like the last battle we had with Andy; the bulk of Jap CAG bombers simply slips through an Uber CAP and
kills the fleet. Vice Versa would always a risk in 44 anyway since Allied Hellcats and Corsairs are so superior to the Jap Zeke.

So if we risk a full scale carrier fight with Andy's reformed fleet we will most likely be able to hit it with a hammer again...

This turn was interesting to say the least!
We finished the damaged CVE - confirmations was 40 Wildcats and Avengers reported destroyed on the ground

The enemy fleet continues to hammer Line Islands but no sign of an invasion fleet.
Our air and naval assets were able to evacuate to safety.

In Burma an artillery regiment "opened" the border to the trapped 4th Division; supply now flows and the division has started its slow
trek through the jungle towards friendly lines. Andy needs to take some major action to cut it off completely again. So perhaps we'll manage to
get it out one day!

Our Army in Central Burma has also crossed the river north of Chiang Mai; it's now marching towards "freedome". I've left a rearguard.
Already a full division has reached Chiang Mai, it is reduced to 2/3 fighting strength and I will keep it at Chiang Mai for R&R in reserve.

So things are looking up in Burma for now.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 12, 44

Sub Attacks

The last patch split sub torpedo tubes; we now have 2-3-4x2 tubes and not all are loaded.
So the Captain is forced to fire salvoes of 2 fish...suspect this CVE of running the gauntlet unescorted though.

Submarine attack near San Francisco at 217,70

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

Allied Ships
CVE Saginaw Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

CVE Saginaw Bay is sighted by SS I-4
SS I-4 launches 2 torpedoes at CVE Saginaw Bay
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Submarine attack near San Francisco at 217,70

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

Allied Ships
xAK William J. Gray, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

xAK William J. Gray is sighted by SS I-4
SS I-4 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK William J. Gray
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 52,54
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
LCT-367, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCT-322, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCT-323, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
10 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.242 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion, at 174,141 (Christmas Island)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 20
Corsair II x 54
F4U-1A Corsair x 156
F6F-3 Hellcat x 115
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 215

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
208 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 18th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 35

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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The attacks on Moulmein are not very efficient.

Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 95
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 26 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14

Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Fanning Island , at 172,137
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb -> Full load, standard range
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb -> reduced load, max range
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 60,43 (near Katha)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 315 troops, 23 guns, 21 vehicles, Assault Value = 453
Defending force 8617 troops, 160 guns, 118 vehicles, Assault Value = 150

Assaulting units:
4th Division
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
1st Garrison Brigade
108th RAF Base Force
RAF 221 Group Base Force
1st KNIL AA Battalion
Tenth USAAF /1
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Pacific

Seems like our AA units now upgrade from 75 to 88mm AA gun!

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/26/2011 9:59:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

With the removal of the "bug" that allowed us to rail damaged air units out of bases this means that the 500 CAP fighters will be trapped in the now 100 damaged base and
can be nuked next turn.

This verbiage two Beta patches ago makes it look like maybe you got that backwards???

quote:

Fixed Railway move of groups at heavily damaged AFs not always working [MEM]

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/26/2011 10:03:36 PM

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It's possible, Michael said "I have corrected the rail bug in 1108q9a."
- Since we haven't installed this yet the inability to move air units by rail may be "bugged" now.

But my problem was that I couldn't move air units with both operational and damaged ac, only groups with damaged ac.
Andy has asked some more questions, so let's see what's correct

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/27/2011 8:30:56 PM

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Good news, Michale says that "I couldn't see how it worked in the code, even though you say it did.
I have fixed it so that it works 'again'."

So in the next patch ac transfer via rail should be working properly again!

Lots of action again; just a selection of air missions below, this is the time when Allied air goes bonkers.
The Allied fleet is now 1 hex of Christmas Island and they're hitting the coastal units.

A sub that got in their way was promptly sunk; still it's tempting to try to nail another carrier.
In New Guinea we claimed a large AMC and some smaller vessels while 16 B-17s were ambushed over Tavoy.
- I noticed they were coming in now and then without an escort. Think this was the last remaining B-17s and now they're almost extinct.
Good riddance!

We also tried a surprise attack at Akyab with paras, noticed only a small base force there.
Ordered bombers to hit the place but of course, clouded in both AM and PM. We got a 2-1 odds but 6 forts kept the place alive.
Still, trying to force Andy to garrison his rear areas.

In Moulmein - Bangkok region we now have assembled reserves, enough to counter the 350k troops north of Moulmein.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 13, 44

Sub Attacks

ASW attack near Christmas Island at 175,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-153, hits 14, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Nashville
DD Knapp
DE Manning
DE Harmon
DD Marshall

SS I-153 is sighted by escort
DD Marshall attacking submerged sub ....
Debris floats to surface in area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub
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Surface Combat

Enemy destroyers sortie into Xmas Island.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-18
MTB G-19
MTB G-20, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Boyd
DD Burns
DD Colahan
DD Gatling
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-18, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-19, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Converse
DD Haggard
DD Ingersoll
DD William Porter

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,124
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 19
B6N1 Jill x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AMC Chitral, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion, at 174,141 (Christmas Island)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 20
Barracuda II x 18
Corsair II x 55
F4U-1A Corsair x 162
F6F-3 Hellcat x 298
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 192
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 215

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 4 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
338 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 18th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 18th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 12th Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 53rd Construction Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
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Morning Air attack on Woodlark Island , at 104,133
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 14
B-25D1 Mitchell x 47
B-25G Mitchell x 15
B-25H Mitchell x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 13 damaged
B-25G Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 50
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Morning Air attack on Merauke , at 89,124
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 7
Beaufort VIII x 12
Mitchell II x 3
A-20G Havoc x 5
B-24J Liberator x 37
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
B-25G Mitchell x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Port hits 16
Port supply hits 5

Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking 2nd Raiding Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking Merauke ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking 16th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking Merauke ...
Also attacking 16th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking Merauke ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking 16th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking Merauke ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking Merauke ...
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 35

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Tavoy , at 54,60
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 30

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-17F Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
S-301 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
254 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
S-320 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
S-324 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on Fanning Island , at 172,137
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 16

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 13

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 19
B6N1 Jill x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAKL Darvel
xAKL Washingtonian, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Washingtonian dead in the water ...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,125
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
P1Y1 Frances x 9

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
LCT-466, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCT-476
LCT-461

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
7 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 9000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.80 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Akyab (54,45)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 891 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 67
Defending force 440 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Japanese adjusted assault: 40
Allied adjusted defense: 17

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 6)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /1

Defending units:
Upper Burma BAF Battalion
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The last sortie

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Christmas Island invaded! - 10/27/2011 10:52:43 PM

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Here's a teaser for the next turn!
Only watched combat replay and had a look so far.

Andy lands at Christmas Island; the largest atoll in the game!
6 full divisions + support goes ashore after bombardments.

We send in midgets, subs and PT boats to disrupt landings.
Seems like not all enemy troops got ashore this turn.

The result was a negative 1-2 odds with 6 forts on the island.
Losses were roughly equal. Will require a prolonged battle from Andy to secure this island chain.
- Wrecking 6 or more enemy divisions would be a welcome treat

KB is lurking somewhere to the west - Allied carriers didn't perform ground attacks today so KB is serving
a purpose just by "hanging around". We even managed to shoot down 3 Superforts as fighters returned to one of the Line Islands.

What do you think about all this!?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 14, 44

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 38742 troops, 1401 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 2076
Defending force 32328 troops, 389 guns, 240 vehicles, Assault Value = 878

Allied adjusted assault: 199
Japanese adjusted defense: 574

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2526 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 83 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 52 disabled
Guns lost 61 (25 destroyed, 36 disabled)
Vehicles lost 36 (4 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2153 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 161 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 65 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 126 (7 destroyed, 119 disabled)
Vehicles lost 102 (4 destroyed, 98 disabled)

Assaulting units:
193rd Tank Bn /19
6th Infantry Div /14
3rd Marine Div /14
93rd Infantry Div /14
1st Marine Div /14
37th Infantry Div /15
22nd Marine Rgt /19
43rd Infantry Div /1
627th TD Bn /19

Defending units:
Sasebo 6th SNLF
54th Division
18th Tank Regiment
18th Naval Guard Unit
41st Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
12th Engineer Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
53rd Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
56th JNAF AF Unit
6th Naval Construction Battalion
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
19th Army
5th JAAF AF Bn
49th JNAF AF Unit
15th JNAF AF Unit
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
4th Fleet
80th JAAF AF Bn
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Invasion of Christmas Island

Good news is that we're not going to run out of supplies...we've learned something!
Troop disruption is relatively high, but enemy must be worse off and they have to shock attack each turn.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/27/2011 11:07:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: PzB

Good news, Michale says that "I couldn't see how it worked in the code, even though you say it did.
I have fixed it so that it works 'again'."

Whoo-Hoooo!!

And I'm just starting (re-starting the re-start of at least a 5th generation game).

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/27/2011 11:21:15 PM

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Christmas Is.

Clearly Andy's invasion prep worked well as (based upon the number of destroyed squads for you) your units must have been highly disrupted. If he keeps your unit disruption high, it isn't clear to me that you will hold out too long. Yes, he has to shock attack, but most of his unit losses were disabled not destroyed, which can recover fairly quickly. Your losses were the opposite, +75 AV permanently lost on this attack.

I have to admit, I am surprised that he is able to do so well. Against level 6 forts on an atoll. RL comparable is Iwo which the allies started bombing one year in advance of invasion. OTOH, his first day losses of 6% are well within reason as compared to RL US atoll amphib ops.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/27/2011 11:38:58 PM

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He only has to shock attack while he's landing, not every turn. I see all of his units are partials, so you get one more turn of a shock attack for sure, but after that maybe not. I agree with Pax, it won't hold out as long as you say.

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RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/28/2011 10:10:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
What do you think about all this!?

Me thinks you guys want to torture us by stretching the tension to the limits. Ah, and by cutting the column with the plane types...

Indeed, despite fort lvl 6 Andy already caused a good portion of destroyed squads. At least no fort reduction yet. Not sure how long this will hold, but the guys may be right issuing a warning. KB is doing fine with neutering the ground support capability of the Allied CV, otherwise it would get worse quickly. What battlewagons did you see in the bombardment actions? Are the b'ments bad?
Btw, I was a bit scared to see that you kept high-level HQ formations on the islands, like 4th Fleet -- especially since Christmas didn't act as a major naval base for a while now. Did you evac portions of them already? Perhaps I tend to be to cautious with forward deploying HQ units I think...

And nice job with the B-29, and B-17s last turn -- never seen such a massacre with the fortresses, seems like the tables have turned on unescorted 4Es! If you can prolong the fight in the Line Islands, you are really winning time now -- and perhaps opportunities to hurt the B-29 pools? Does anyone know their influx rate by heart?

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RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/28/2011 1:15:06 PM

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B-29: I beleive is it is 20/mo each type, 40 total?

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RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/28/2011 9:50:36 PM

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I guess only time will show; the bottom line is that Line Islands are bound to fall for several reasons.
I'm still happy that Andy expends so much time and energy to recapture it. It gives us time I really need for numerous other preparations.

This turn we sent in midget subs, midgets and MTBs.
They were mostly turned back or destroyed but perhaps they disrupted landings some.

Allied ground attacks are overly efficient, one single attack by the CAG destroyed our largest Coastal Battery unit. With 6 forts you would believe it would be harder.
Bombardments were not too efficient, 2 Iowas pluss supporting vessels.

Our CD guns hardly caused any damage at all.

Merauke fell easily, we were out of supplies and all troops shot to pieces by B-25s.

Still, the biggest "surprise" was that the Judy bombers range has been reduced to 6(7) hexes now!!
I can't use the 8 hex strike range advantage with anything but the TBDs and 2 squadrons of pre-Judy 3s.
- Never seen this "fix" in the patch notes...ugly, ugly. Hopefully Andy hasn't noticed it.

This means I'm not "keen" on a carrier battle until we get the Judy 2 in 8/44 - that's 4 months plus many more months of production

Got plenty of Naval HQs, if one is destroyed it can be rebuilt in Home Islands - if I need it!

What game you taking over now Pax, some hot potato game?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 14, 44

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-553
MTB G-554
MTB G-555
MTB G-223, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-224, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-225, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-226, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Alabama
BB Iowa
DD Hall
DD Halligan
DD Lewis Hancock
DD Haraden
DD Harrison
DMS Forrest
DMS Hobson
DMS Ellyson

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 60% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 22,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
DD Haraden engages MTB G-224 at 12,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-554 at 12,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-553 at 12,000 yards
DMS Forrest engages MTB G-224 at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
DMS Hobson engages MTB G-224 at 11,000 yards
DMS Hobson engages MTB G-554 at 11,000 yards
DD Hall engages MTB G-224 at 11,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-223 at 11,000 yards
DMS Hobson engages MTB G-224 at 11,000 yards
DMS Forrest engages MTB G-224 at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
MTB G-224 sunk by DD Harrison at 7,000 yards
MTB G-223 sunk by DMS Forrest at 7,000 yards
DMS Forrest engages MTB G-554 at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-225 at 5,000 yards
DD Haraden engages MTB G-225 at 5,000 yards
DMS Hobson engages MTB G-226 at 5,000 yards
DMS Forrest engages MTB G-226 at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
MTB G-226 engages DMS Hobson at 4,000 yards
DD Harrison engages MTB G-225 at 4,000 yards
DD Haraden engages MTB G-554 at 4,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-553 at 4,000 yards
MTB G-226 sunk by DD Halligan at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
MTB G-225 sunk by BB Iowa at 7,000 yards
DMS Hobson engages MTB G-554 at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-555 at 11,000 yards
DD Harrison engages MTB G-555 at 11,000 yards
DD Hall engages MTB G-555 at 11,000 yards
DMS Ellyson engages MTB G-555 at 11,000 yards
DMS Forrest engages MTB G-555 at 11,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Palmyra at 170,133, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-550
MTB G-551, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-552, Shell hits 1
MTB G-14
MTB G-17, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Boyd
DD Burns
DD Colahan
DD Gatling
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-553
MTB G-554
MTB G-555

Allied Ships
CA Australia
DE Mitchell
DE Sanders
DE Seid
DE Stadtfeld
DE Steele
DE Wyman
APD Belknap
APD Barr, on fire
AM Competent
AM Triumph
AM Velocity
AM Salute
AM Buoyant
AP William Ward Burrows
AK Crater
AK Arided
AK Draco
AK Albireo
AK Mintaka
AK Caelum
AK Gainsar
AK Grumium
AK Lesuth
AK Megrez
AK Venus
AK De Grasse
AK Autauga
LST-477
LCI-61
LCI-64
LCI-65
LCI-21
LCI-22
LCI-23
LCI-24
LCI-62
LCI-63
LCI-75
LCI-83, on fire
LCI-84
LCI-216
LCI-217
LCI-333
LCI-334
LCI-335
LCI-336
LCI-400
LCI-402
LCI-444
LCI-445
LCI-446
LCI-447
LCI-448
LCI-521
LCI-522
LCI-523

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 30,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat
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Sub Attacks

Submarine attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-160, hits 36, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
CL Capetown
KV Dundas
DMS Howard
DMS Hamilton
AGC Rocky Mount
APA Storm King
APA La Salle
APA James O'Hara
LSI(L) Glenorchy
LSI(L) Glenartney
AKA Virgo
AKA Thuban
LSD Epping Forest
LSD Belle Grove
LSV Catskill
LST-481
LST-476
LST-474
LST-473
LST-470
LST-465
LST-463
LST-461
LST-460
LST-454
LST-448
LST-180
LST-179
LST-169
LST-88
LST-87
LST-82
LST-73
LST-72
LST-25
LST-20
LCI-70
DD Voyager
DD Chew
DD Clark
DD Selfridge

SS I-160 is sighted by escort
I-160 bottoming out ....
DD Voyager attacking submerged sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-34, hits 7, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
KV Dundas
DMS Howard
DMS Hamilton
AGC Rocky Mount
APA Storm King
APA La Salle
APA Sumter
LSI(L) Glenorchy
LSI(L) Glenartney
LSI(L) Dunedin Star
AKA Virgo
AKA Thuban
LSD Lindenwald
LSD Epping Forest
LSD Belle Grove
LSV Catskill
LST-481
LST-476
LST-474
LST-473
LST-471
LST-466
LST-463
LST-461
LST-456
LST-449
LST-215
LST-179
LST-175
LST-124
LST-87
LST-83
LST-74
LST-72
LST-26
LST-21
LST-16
LCI-70
DD Voyager
DD Chew
DD Clark

SSX Ha-34 is sighted by escort
DD Voyager fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Chew attacking submerged sub ....
DD Clark attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-35, hits 10, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
KV Dundas
DMS Howard
DMS Hamilton
AGC Rocky Mount
APA Storm King
APA La Salle
APA Sumter
LSI(L) Glenorchy
LSI(L) Glenartney
LSI(L) Dunedin Star
AKA Virgo
AKA Thuban
LSD Lindenwald
LSD Epping Forest
LSD Belle Grove
LSV Catskill
LST-481
LST-476
LST-474
LST-473
LST-470
LST-465
LST-463
LST-460
LST-454
LST-448
LST-180
LST-179
LST-169
LST-88
LST-87
LST-82
LST-73
LST-72
LST-25
LST-20
LCI-70
DD Voyager
DD Chew
DD Clark
DD Selfridge

SSX Ha-35 is sighted by escort
DD Voyager fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Chew fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Clark attacking submerged sub ....
DD Selfridge attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-43, hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
KV Dundas
DMS Howard
DMS Hamilton
AGC Rocky Mount
APA Storm King
APA Herald of Morning
APA La Salle
LSI(L) Glenorchy
LSI(L) Glenartney
AKA Virgo
AKA Thuban
AKA Algol
LSD Epping Forest
LSD Belle Grove
LSD Ashland
LSV Catskill
LST-481
LST-476
LST-474
LST-473
LST-467
LST-463
LST-462
LST-457
LST-450
LST-216
LST-179
LST-176
LST-126
LST-87
LST-84
LST-75
LST-72
LST-28
LST-22
LST-17
LCI-70
LCI-66
DD Voyager
DD Chew

SSX Ha-43 is sighted by escort
DD Voyager fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Chew attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub
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Bombardments

Night Naval bombardment of Christmas Island at 174,141

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB Alabama

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB Iowa firing at 54th Division
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Alabama
BB Alabama firing at 54th Division
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Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

504 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
CL Capetown
DD Voyager
DD Chew
DD Selfridge
LCI-70
LCI-68
LCI-67
LCI-66
LST-17
LST-16
LST-20
LST-18
LST-19
DD Clark
LST-22
LST-21

Japanese ground losses:
115 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CA New Orleans
CA New Orleans firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
CL Capetown firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CL Capetown
DD Voyager firing at 54th Division
DD Chew firing at 54th Division
DD Selfridge firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Selfridge
LCI-70 fired at enemy troops
LCI-68 fired at enemy troops
LCI-67 fired at enemy troops
LCI-66 fired at enemy troops
DD Voyager fired at enemy troops
DD Chew fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Christmas Island (174,141)
TF 118 troops unloading over beach at Christmas Island, 174,141

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (0 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 37th Infantry Div /4
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 6th Infantry Div /4
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 6th Infantry Div /7
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Pre-Invasion action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

454 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Australia
LCI-63
APD Barr
DE Wyman
SC PC-788
LCI-65
LCI-64
LCI-61
LCI-21
LCI-22
LCI-23
LCI-62
LCI-24

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CA Australia
CA Australia firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
APD Barr firing to suppress enemy battery at 12,000 yards
SC PC-788 fired at enemy troops
LCI-65 fired at enemy troops
LCI-64 fired at enemy troops
LCI-61 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Christmas Island (174,141)

TF 134 troops unloading over beach at Christmas Island, 174,141

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 193rd Tank Bn /4
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

251 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
CL Capetown
DD Chew
DD Selfridge
DD Porter
LCI-70
LCI-68
LCI-67
LCI-66
LST-17
LST-18
LST-16
DD Clark
DD Voyager
LST-19

Allied ground losses:
149 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CL Capetown
DD Porter firing at 54th Division
LCI-70 fired at enemy troops
LCI-68 fired at enemy troops
LCI-67 fired at enemy troops
LCI-66 fired at enemy troops
DD Chew fired at enemy troops
DD Selfridge fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

248 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Australia
APD Barr, Shell hits 2, on fire
LCI-62
LCI-83, Shell hits 1, on fire
LCI-22
SC PC-788
LCI-65
LCI-64
LCI-61
LCI-23
DE Wyman
LCI-21
LCI-24

Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CA Australia firing at 54th Division
APD Barr firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at APD Barr
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging LCI-62 at 18,000 yards
12.7cm 3YT DP Gun Battery engaging LCI-83 at 18,000 yards
Massive explosion on LCI-83
12.7cm 3YT DP Gun Battery engaging LCI-22 at 18,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging LCI-22 at 18,000 yards
SC PC-788 fired at enemy troops
LCI-65 fired at enemy troops
LCI-64 fired at enemy troops
LCI-61 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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TF 46 encounters mine field at 54,54

Allied Ships
DE Gilmore
xAK Joseph Simon, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

1 mine cleared
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,124
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
B6N1 Jill x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AM Zeal, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Darvel, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 20

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Fanning Island , at 172,137
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11
N1K1-J George x 21

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 12 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
S-305 Hikotai with A6M5 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
752 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
204 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 13

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,124
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
B6N1 Jill x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Matthew Flinders, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 90,126
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 2,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 17
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
LCT-479, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
LCVP 592S, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
LCT-375, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
12 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 9000 feet
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Invasions

Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

231 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-17
DD Chew
KV Dundas
LST-19, Shell hits 1, on fire
LST-16, Shell hits 1
LST-481
LST-468
LST-464
LST-462
LST-460
LST-451
LST-449
LST-215
LST-180
LST-179
LST-176
LST-175
LST-166
LST-78
LST-74
LST-71
LST-28
LST-25
LST-22
LST-21
LST-20
LCI-70
LCI-68
LCI-67
LCI-66
DD Clark
DD Voyager
LST-18

Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Chew firing to suppress enemy battery at 10,000 yards
KV Dundas firing to suppress enemy battery at 10,000 yards
12.7cm 3YT DP Gun Battery engaging LST-19 at 10,000 yards
KV Dundas firing to suppress enemy battery at 10,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging LST-16 at 10,000 yards
KV Dundas firing to suppress enemy battery at 10,000 yards
LST-481 fired at enemy troops
LST-468 fired at enemy troops
LST-464 fired at enemy troops
LST-462 fired at enemy troops
LST-460 fired at enemy troops
LST-451 fired at enemy troops
LST-449 fired at enemy troops
LST-215 fired at enemy troops
LST-180 fired at enemy troops
LST-179 fired at enemy troops
LST-176 fired at enemy troops
LST-175 fired at enemy troops
LST-166 fired at enemy troops
LST-78 fired at enemy troops
LST-74 fired at enemy troops
LST-71 fired at enemy troops
LST-28 fired at enemy troops
LST-25 fired at enemy troops
LST-22 fired at enemy troops
LST-21 fired at enemy troops
LST-20 fired at enemy troops
LST-16 fired at enemy troops
LCI-70 fired at enemy troops
LCI-68 fired at enemy troops
LCI-67 fired at enemy troops
LCI-66 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC PC-788
LST-477
LCI-536
LCI-521
LCI-402
LCI-83
LCI-65
LCI-64
LCI-61
LCI-22
LCI-23
LCI-62
LCI-21
LCI-24
LCI-63

SC PC-788 fired at enemy troops
LST-477 fired at enemy troops
LCI-536 fired at enemy troops
LCI-521 fired at enemy troops
LCI-402 fired at enemy troops
LCI-83 fired at enemy troops
LCI-65 fired at enemy troops
LCI-64 fired at enemy troops
LCI-61 fired at enemy troops
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20650 troops, 299 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 883
Defending force 38795 troops, 1402 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 2085

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
Sasebo 6th SNLF
54th Division
41st Infantry Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
18th Naval Guard Unit
12th Engineer Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
53rd Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
19th Army
56th JNAF AF Unit
5th JAAF AF Bn
6th Naval Construction Battalion
11th RF Gun Battalion
49th JNAF AF Unit
15th JNAF AF Unit
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Fleet
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
80th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
1st Marine Div /14
3rd Marine Div /14
22nd Marine Rgt /19
6th Infantry Div /14
37th Infantry Div /15
193rd Tank Bn /19
93rd Infantry Div /14
43rd Infantry Div /1
627th TD Bn /19
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Ground combat at Merauke (89,124)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12011 troops, 197 guns, 173 vehicles, Assault Value = 396
Defending force 2860 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 78

Allied adjusted assault: 306
Japanese adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Merauke !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1328 casualties reported
Squads: 60 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (6 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment
4th Australian Division
10 RAAF Base Force
10th RAAF M/W Sqn

Defending units:
16th Naval Guard Unit
2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1
2nd Raiding Rgt /1
4th South Seas Gsn
13th JAAF AF Coy
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Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 38742 troops, 1401 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 2076
Defending force 32328 troops, 389 guns, 240 vehicles, Assault Value = 878
Allied adjusted assault: 199

Japanese adjusted defense: 574
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2526 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 83 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 52 disabled
Guns lost 61 (25 destroyed, 36 disabled)
Vehicles lost 36 (4 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2153 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 161 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 65 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 126 (7 destroyed, 119 disabled)
Vehicles lost 102 (4 destroyed, 98 disabled)

Assaulting units:
193rd Tank Bn /19
6th Infantry Div /14
3rd Marine Div /14
93rd Infantry Div /14
1st Marine Div /14
37th Infantry Div /15
22nd Marine Rgt /19
43rd Infantry Div /1
627th TD Bn /19

Defending units:
Sasebo 6th SNLF
54th Division
18th Tank Regiment
18th Naval Guard Unit
41st Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
12th Engineer Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
53rd Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
56th JNAF AF Unit
6th Naval Construction Battalion
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
19th Army
5th JAAF AF Bn
49th JNAF AF Unit
15th JNAF AF Unit
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
4th Fleet
80th JAAF AF Bn
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4th South Seas Gsn Wiped Out at Merauke by attrition!!
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13th JAAF AF Coy Wiped Out at Merauke by attrition!!!
Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Merauk
Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Merauke by attrition!!!
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Post #: 2984

RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/28/2011 10:12:53 PM

PaxMondo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

I guess only time will show; the bottom line is that Line Islands are bound to fall for several reasons.
I'm still happy that Andy expends so much time and energy to recapture it. It gives us time I really need for numerous other preparations.

Precisely. Plus you will be able to see where his avenue of advance will be.

I'm still very surprised to see how effective his attack was. I really thought you'd be able to hold out there for 2 - 3 weeks, that he would have to unload at least 3 waves of assault troops to be able to crack Christmas islands. Doing it with what appears to be only one wave ... depressing really.

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RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/29/2011 12:13:52 AM

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We have lots of smaller units, base forces, regiments and partial units that have been moved away from Palmyra in order not to overcrowd the place.
These smaller units take a lot of heat and dies first. Our division is disrupted but otherwise unhurt.

It's possible that Andy will need a second wave; question is whether he will dare to switch his carriers to ground attack - he needs this me thinks but we'll see.
6-7 divisions of troops, thats a D-Day landing...on an atoll!

I'm also keen on keeping KB alive into late 45, get all SAM fighters and all possible carriers and continue to pose a solid threat to the Allied trust throughout the war.
This way the game will be more enjoyable for me in the time of nukes and uber ground attacks!

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RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/29/2011 12:42:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

This way the game will be more enjoyable for me in the time of nukes and uber ground attacks!

I think the term is'borked' ground attacks

Love your AAR... lots of action! Banzai!!

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 7:13:02 AM

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Two shock attacks below 1:1, and lack of fort reduction, at Christmas. It means, that Allied units are over 50 Disruption now, and their efficiency is like 30%. You have some breath time, and they still not landed fully yet.

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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb -> Full load, standard range

They could operate from Johnston Island. If you have heavy ships nearby, bombardment can bag some B-29s. Also, KB could be used to catch some BBs on rearming mission, after bombardments. Kinda risky, but if Allied CVs will be protecting Christmas invasion from SE...

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Still, the biggest "surprise" was that the Judy bombers range has been reduced to 6(7) hexes now!!
I can't use the 8 hex strike range advantage with anything but the TBDs and 2 squadrons of pre-Judy 3s.
- Never seen this "fix" in the patch notes...ugly, ugly. Hopefully Andy hasn't noticed it.

So far the only DB with 8 hex range is first verion of VAL? And it carries like 2x30kg bombs on that range? Actually Brady have written, when AE was released, that there is something wrong with JUDYs range. This page shows interesting data.

When Allied CVs striked, sorties number was in great disproportion, like 50%. You are seriously falling behind in number of planes.
Why do we still see old models in combat? In last picture there are OSCARs Ic (seriously, unarmored OSCAR?), and TONY Ia, which have horrible armamen. And I still see lots of TOJO IIa.

Also, I see that enemy daily loses by type, do not sum up to number shown as "today". So there are separate FOW for daily type loss, total campaign, and sum of daily

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 1:42:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: PzB
Still, the biggest "surprise" was that the Judy bombers range has been reduced to 6(7) hexes now!!
I can't use the 8 hex strike range advantage with anything but the TBDs and 2 squadrons of pre-Judy 3s.
- Never seen this "fix" in the patch notes...ugly, ugly. Hopefully Andy hasn't noticed it.

So far the only DB with 8 hex range is first verion of VAL? And it carries like 2x30kg bombs on that range? Actually Brady have written, when AE was released, that there is something wrong with JUDYs range. This page shows interesting data.

There is a lot of conflicting data circulating about the Judy. I'm not expert on IJ aircraft, but everything I have read leads me to beleive the only thing for sure is that they had more range than the Val and a higher cruising speed. I think everything else is up for grabs. IF for no other reason, pretty hard to see how the IJN would have spent the effort otherwise, and they DID replace the Val with it. It WAS a better plane.

Having said that, it was a great mystery to me about the last change in the Judy. Removing the DT's I was ok with. I don't have hard evidence either way. But, then not setting the base Judy range to at least 8/9 if not 8/10 or higher? In my mod, I've got it conservatively set to 8/10. I think there is plenty of justification to set it to 9/12. Inquisitor's source being one of them ... for an internet source, those guys are fairly good in back checking their data.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 4:01:15 PM

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Thx Rader, first saw your post about borked ground attacks yesterday - and yes, needs some tuning.
Hit ratio for regular bombing attacks and air strikes on dug in troops with fortifications is way off....

B-29s operate from Pearl, they can hit Palmyra from there within normal range but has to use extended range to hit Christmas Island.
If they had operated from Johnston all raid would be within normal range!

I have more ac than ever before but they're not active each turn.
Upgrading the front line units has priority, most training units have older type of planes. Some bases like Rabaul hasn't received top priority and operates
Tojo IIa and older Tony models still. The Oscar Ic is filling in as escorts, escort planes are only usable as cannon fodder anyway so no reason to waste good airfames and pilots for such missions.

Yep, I understand the it's the total's that's accurate and the combar loss report is exposed to FOW!?

I've thought about the Judy range issue for a while and sent an email to Andy.
To be honest I'm now in a limbo as the KB has lost much of its potency. I simply can't risk engaging the enemy since both 7 and 8 hex range now will find us at a severe disadvantage.
- I asked Andy what he would do if his SBDs suddenly had a 6(7) hex range.

I also agree with comments on drop tanks and regular range. All sources I've visited shows that Judy has more range than Val. An 8(10) normal range should be the defacto range.
Someone has FUBAR'ed big time here, almost a game breaker to downgrade to a 6(7) hex model at a critical time in the game. So I will probably halt this game for some days to think about the consequences.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 4:42:49 PM

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Someone has FUBAR'ed big time here, almost a game breaker to downgrade to a 6(7) hex model at a critical time in the game. So I will probably halt this game for some days to think about the consequences.

I think, and this is only my opinion on what happened:

Originally, due to all the conflicting info and sources on the Judy, they gave it mediocre range without DT's and then gave it an average of several sources range with DT's. Using DT's increases the mission supply expenditure, but this always seemed an appropriate abstraction to me to help account for some of the issues the IJ had related to operating the Judy.

Then, players discovered sources that stated the Judy had no DT's, or at least did not operate with them from CV's, AND that the Judy range gave the IJ a great advantage that historically was never seen. (Of course this was largely due to Midway, the plane existed, but there was no longer a KB to use it. It had nothing to with the performance of the Judy.) As you may recall, the Judy with DT's had incredible range. So, they removed the DT's from the Judy. As I have stated, all well and good. I don't have any specific knowledge to contradict.

BUT, when they removed the DT's, they overlooked re-examining the non DT range forgetting that the non-DT and DT ranges were compromises. Oops. The Judy did have better range than the Val, at least every source I can find states so, and at least one source on the development states that range was a KEY goal of the Judy along with cruising speed. The Val was paired with the Claude. For the Zeke, it was too slow.

Anyway, just my outside opinion of how this happened. I have no inside info at all and this is my personal conjecture.

Hopefully Andy can contact the Air Team Expert (who was the IJ air expert?) and confirm what should or should not be. If there is an oversight, I think we can get this in the final patch, as there are several other DB items (IJ Radar, a few base definitions, etc.) that have been found as well.

Crossing fingers on this one...

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 4:55:40 PM

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Andy says that the change of Judy range is a thoroughly thought through decision.
To formulate a more correct answer that doesn't include the term gross ignoramuses I will simply state that this is such a bad decision and it so offsets all
current plans and operational flexibility for KB that I'm not sure I'm interested in continuing.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:02:24 PM

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For those of us who aren't closely in touch with this issue, could you give an overview? I saw what you wrote yesterday but I know I'm missing the prior parts of the story.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:05:01 PM

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Andy says that the change of Judy range is a thoroughly thought through decision.

Oh dear. I am so surprised. Stunned really. Obviously, they have access to data that I don't. Wow.

Well, that means skipping Judy completely for Grace. A very big deal to consider when planning out your plane builds.

Val will be in service until mid '44 at least ... wow. I have to consider more, but I think I would be re-sizing my groups. Small groups of Val for scouting only. Then re-sizing the Kate group large and splitting that into 3 (where you can). THe ones you can't split, then you'll need to add another Kate group. This will give you glide bombing and torpedo bombing with your Kates. Not as good as DB, but what are your other options?

Wow. Although, maybe the new beta bomber change will let your change the Val groups into Kates for PP's? If so, that would be better. KAtes would be able to search greater distance ... have to test if this is possible.

Lotta work to do here ... Really a lot of work.

For an ongoing game like this ... all I can say is ouch.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:13:14 PM

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Basically the Judy has always had an enormous range because they were equipped with drop tanks.
I don't think they used drop tanks while flying of carriers...so removing the drop tanks didn't matter too much since the max range for a carrier ac is 7-8 hexes anyway.
- So when the drop tanks dissappeared I didn't think much of it before I saw that normal range was set to 6 hexes with 7 as extended.

This is 1 hex less than the Val bomber.
I've checked many sources and the vast majority gives the Judy a longer normal range than the Val.
- The Japs did everything to provide their strike ac with the longers possible range so this makes perfect sense.

IF range had been reduced to less than that of the Val the Judy would have to use drop tanks.
Nerfing range AND removing drop tanks is a decision only AFBs could take from my point of view.
It completely disrupts game in progress balance like this one as mentioned by Pax.

Any Jap player will have to replan how to equip KB and keep it as a competitive force.
How on earth could I dare to risk a strike on Allied fleets near Line Islands when 2/3 of my strike force only can deliver an efficient attack from 6 hexes?
- I'd rather see they removed the 8 vs 7 hex strike advantage for Japan instead of nerfing the Judy.

This is of course not Andy's fault, but my annoyance with this issue is beyond words.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:17:09 PM

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Thanks, that's a clear summary. I don't have any of my own knowledge about that one, so I really can't add anything to the discussion.

Sorry for the nasty surprise!

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:19:13 PM

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Basically the Judy has always had an enormous range because they were equipped with drop tanks.
I don't think they used drop tanks while flying of carriers...so removing the drop tanks didn't matter too much since the max range for a carrier ac is 7-8 hexes anyway.
- So when the drop tanks dissappeared I didn't think much of it before I saw that normal range was set to 6 hexes with 7 as extended.

This is 1 hex less than the Val bomber.
I've checked many sources and the vast majority gives the Judy a longer normal range than the Val.
- The Japs did everything to provide their strike ac with the longers possible range so this makes perfect sense.

IF range had been reduced to less than that of the Val the Judy would have to use drop tanks.
Nerfing range AND removing drop tanks is a decision only AFBs could take from my point of view.
It completely disrupts game in progress balance like this one as mentioned by Pax.

Any Jap player will have to replan how to equip KB and keep it as a competitive force.
How on earth could I dare to risk a strike on Allied fleets near Line Islands when 2/3 of my strike force only can deliver an efficient attack from 6 hexes?
- I'd rather see they removed the 8 vs 7 hex strike advantage for Japan instead of nerfing the Judy.

This is of course not Andy's fault, but my annoyance with this issue is beyond words.

PzB,

I am only an occasional visitor to your AAR, but appreciate your leadership in all things Japanese. Fight on, man-BANZAI!

Since I am only an occasional visitor, can you summarize what borked your Judy production? Did you and Andy just upgrade to a beta patch?

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RE: Christmas Island invaded! - 10/29/2011 5:23:33 PM

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Here's a teaser for the next turn!
Only watched combat replay and had a look so far.

Andy lands at Christmas Island; the largest atoll in the game!
6 full divisions + support goes ashore after bombardments.

We send in midgets, subs and PT boats to disrupt landings.
Seems like not all enemy troops got ashore this turn.

The result was a negative 1-2 odds with 6 forts on the island.
Losses were roughly equal. Will require a prolonged battle from Andy to secure this island chain.
- Wrecking 6 or more enemy divisions would be a welcome treat

KB is lurking somewhere to the west - Allied carriers didn't perform ground attacks today so KB is serving
a purpose just by "hanging around". We even managed to shoot down 3 Superforts as fighters returned to one of the Line Islands.

What do you think about all this!?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 14, 44

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 38742 troops, 1401 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 2076
Defending force 32328 troops, 389 guns, 240 vehicles, Assault Value = 878

Allied adjusted assault: 199
Japanese adjusted defense: 574

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2526 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 83 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 52 disabled
Guns lost 61 (25 destroyed, 36 disabled)
Vehicles lost 36 (4 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2153 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 161 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 65 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 126 (7 destroyed, 119 disabled)
Vehicles lost 102 (4 destroyed, 98 disabled)

Assaulting units:
193rd Tank Bn /19
6th Infantry Div /14
3rd Marine Div /14
93rd Infantry Div /14
1st Marine Div /14
37th Infantry Div /15
22nd Marine Rgt /19
43rd Infantry Div /1
627th TD Bn /19

Defending units:
Sasebo 6th SNLF
54th Division
18th Tank Regiment
18th Naval Guard Unit
41st Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
12th Engineer Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
53rd Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
56th JNAF AF Unit
6th Naval Construction Battalion
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
19th Army
5th JAAF AF Bn
49th JNAF AF Unit
15th JNAF AF Unit
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
4th Fleet
80th JAAF AF Bn
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Invasion of Christmas Island

Good news is that we're not going to run out of supplies...we've learned something!
Troop disruption is relatively high, but enemy must be worse off and they have to shock attack each turn.

Without yet reading Andy,s AAR it suggests to me that he, was not fully prepped, and did not plot his invasion so as to get all his troops ashore in one day. Both are critical when you hit an atoll. Six division with shock attack if done correctly should have resulted in a much larger AV value.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:41:08 PM

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- So when the drop tanks dissappeared I didn't think much of it before I saw that normal range was set to 6 hexes with 7 as extended.

This is 1 hex less than the Val bomber.

Er - it's the same as the D3A1 (7, 6), surely? And 1 hex greater than the D3A2 (6, 5). Given that the payload is twice the D3A's - you can take a 500kg bomb to the same range the Val takes a 250kg bomb, or a 250kg bomb the same range as the Val takes 2x60kg bombs. So, the effective range is really one hex longer than the Val's, insofar as you're not going to do much with 60s, and the higher speed should be of some use. Don't understand why people are going on about sticking with the D3A, given that.

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I've checked many sources and the vast majority gives the Judy a longer normal range than the Val.
- The Japs did everything to provide their strike ac with the longers possible range so this makes perfect sense.

The internal fuel capacity of both aircraft was pretty similar, wasn't it? They seem to weigh about the same, at any rate. I imagine the D4Y might be a better 'cruiser', as a rather more streamlined bit of kit, but the extra however many hundred horsepower required to get it up to full speed will have an impact once any opposition shows up; and, of course, the aircraft does have to get back home after burning all that fuel...

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IF range had been reduced to less than that of the Val the Judy would have to use drop tanks.
Nerfing range AND removing drop tanks is a decision only AFBs could take from my point of view.
It completely disrupts game in progress balance like this one as mentioned by Pax.

I imagine that the issue isn't particularly the ability to carry drop tanks from a carrier (the D4Yx-C - the recon version - retains them) but rather the ability to lift drop tanks plus a full bombload off a carrier. Did any of the Japanese carriers fit catapults? I have no idea; I'd suspect that as a reason if they don't.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/29/2011 5:53:09 PM

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Easy to loose overview, so here's one below!

It's possible that our sub and MTB attacks disrupted offloading of Allied troops.
Alternatively it took a bit more time to unload 6 divs than expected - some ships may have refuelled etc..
Hard to say!

Judy D4Y1 and D4Y2 - both now available - have max range 6(7) hexes with 500kg / 250kg bombs.
- So yes you're correct kfsgo, The Val also had a range of 6(7) hexes and not 7(8).

The Judy D4Y3 has max range 7(8) hexes while the last version D4Y4 is back to 6(8)
hexes but can carry a 800kg bomb.

Concerning drop tanks; this would depend on whether 2 wing tanks were used together with a 250 kg bomb.
A centerline tank used in the C version would boost range but only allow 60kg bombs to be carried.

Exchanging the 500kg bomb for drop tanks and a 250kg bomb wouldn't be an issue, but probably not historical correct?

The Judy's strike range at the Marianas was long enough to enable them to strike at long range, does anyone know the range for these strikes?

The Judy D4Y3 is available from 8/44, that's another 4 months in our game.
It would also take 2-3 months to replace existing model Y1s.
The Grace is such a capable ac that if I had to choose between these evils I
would probably keep Val's and greatly resarch the Grace to introduce it from 6/44 instead of 8/44.

Starting from scratch it would probably be possible to overcome these "issues" in a civilized way.
In this particular game it is not so since I'm stuck with a full load of D4Y1's and 2s.