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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 11:54:53 AM   
witpqs


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Status: offline 		Here is what I saved about the monsoon:

quote:

"The monsoon thing (may 15 to oct 15) is only for bases that have max draw.

Posted by BigJ62 (AE developer): < Message edited by BigJ62 -- 2/21/2010 3:12:39 AM >"


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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 12:48:13 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Yep, so plenty of time and the fight is on until someone withdraws....

A little about Burma Geography

Communications
In 1941, communications within Burma were poorly developed and overland routes with bordering countries were almost non-existent.
Almost all communications ran north-south, including the Rangoon-Mandalay railway. Other lines ran from Mandalay to Lashio, from Rangoon to Prome and from Pegu across the Sittang to Martaban, connecting to Moulmein and the line through Tenasserim to Ye by rail ferry.

The road system in 1941 was primitive, with some parts of the country connected by little more than tracks. There were all weather roads - from Rangoon to Mandalay, from Meiktila through the Shan State, through the Karen Hills connecting Toungoo with Loilem, from Rangoon to Prome and on to Mandalay (though not always passable in heavy rains).

Due to the reliance on cheap sea communications with India across the Bay of Bengal there had been little interest in developing overland communications between India and Burma. There were no roads through the mountainous border area and overland communications with India were restricted to a few dangerous tracks.

The frontier with China was crossed by the Burma Road near Wantung, north east of Mandalay. Communications with Siam depended on tracks, the major routes being across the Dawna Range from Moulmein and from Moulmein through Three Pagodas Pass to Bangkok.
The most important internal communication route was the river traffic on the Irrawaddy and the Chindwin. Services were provided by the large fleet of river craft operated by the Irrawaddy Flotilla Company.

Burma was an important link in the Imperial route from Britain to Australia. There was an airport near Rangoon, at Mingaladon, and landing grounds Akyab and Lashio. There were emergency landing grounds running down Tenasserim on the way to Singapore, at Moulmein, Tavoy and Mergui. There was an air service between Rangoon and Chungking and flying boats landed at Rangoon and Akyab. Defence of this leg of the Imperial air route was strategic for Britain.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 1:27:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		IMO you don´t need Rangoon at all. You´ve got Bangkok with a big port and rail connection. Takes only a couple of days to have a unit at the front if it starts at Bangkok.

Losing Burma is a mess (not because you lose Burma but because China will draw ample supply from Burma). In my PBEM, Rainer79 lost Burma to my advance in a couple of days as his troops were kicked out of high level forts in clear terrain easily (I really brought the hammer) but he now holds in the Moulmein area and I can´t really see a way to break through here, everything is either jungle or jungle rough which is even worse. BUT, I´ve started a big offensive in China now (2 weeks ahead in my game compared to my AAR) with all the supplies I´ve got available and this is happening in South Western China with the Japanese caught on the wrong foot. What I would suggest every Japanese player is to try to defend Burma in hexes that can be defended (means jungle, North and West of the basin) or give up on Burma and hold the border to Thailand AND take out Western China. Taking out Western China and stalemating the Allied in Northern Thailand (East of Pegu) means the Chinese won´t get supplies and the Allied won´t advance further, at least not with a ground offensive.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 1:42:23 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		I fear the longer term (43-44) effects of Loosing Burma and Rangoon to the Allies in late 42 and early 43.
- Bypassing Port Blaire and Rangoon efficiently opens the road to Sumatra and defenses must be built and prepared.
- Rangoon will provide a 4E hub for bombing missions against cities and convoys in a 10-20 hex radius.

Any offensive in Northern China will take a lot of time and resources and can at earliest be completed sometime in 43.
If I have to something will be arranged, but otherwise Burma and Rangoon will be defended to the end.

Everything depends on the outcome of 2 coming engagements in the Basin between the troops in Shwebo and the "Stack".
Victory and we have won another year, that's the only conceivable outcome for the Empire!

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 9:35:28 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		A short update regarding ground movement: this turn 1 enemy unit from the "stack" marched into Mandalay and this caused ALL our units in Mandalay to cancel their movement orders both towards
Shwebo and "the stack". If I want to move now it requires a major detour....

2 tank units from Magwe moved into the "stack" and probably halted movement of Andy's Army.

I'm just frustrated about ground combat these days; I don't know what to expect either way.


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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 2:44:21 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		According to Andy his armored unit "won" the race into Mandalay, capturing the "flag" (hex side) and denying our units the ability to move west until
defeating the Allied LCU that moved into Mandalay. What I don't understand is why this unit managed to move faster than our tank units moving in the opposite direction
- Ref my earlier question; units don't bypass each other, they race each other....

I have ordered an attack against the enemy tank unit but Andy informs that many other units will also move into Mandalay this turn.
- I though my tank units entering the hex with is "stack" from Magwe would also cancell his units moving, but this isn't so...it would only cancel his units moving towards Magwe.

Aargh, I'm playing in the dark here; got absolutely no clue about how all this works.

My problems keeping Shwebo supplies is caused by the base size according to Andy;
"Swebo has a supply cap of 250 that means it can receive MAX 250 x ( 1+ Fort Level/3 +Port + AF)

So that’s the max per day supply amount the base can receive so if the base is lvl 1 AF and lvl 6 forts it can receive a maximum of about 1,000 tonnes of supply per day now my round the clock bombing and the size of your LCU stack will prevent fast forward dumping of supplies its one of the main reasons why so many of the bases on my side are maxing out AF’s to build the infrastructure to improve my supply net."

I thought the railnetwork would keep the units supplied independently of the base size, but it's obviously not so.

I'm learning a lot, but it's all costly lessons and I'm afraid I'll loose Shwebo and Mandalay and suffer some routes in the process.
But it's all hanging in the balance; Andy is supplying his troops from the air via Chittagong which we are constantly interdicting. A few forced battles and Allied units may run completely out of supplies.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 15, 42

Invasions

Securing the last enemy occupied dot island. Jeez, half the unit got disabled when landing unopposed.
Think they needed this training

Amphibious Assault at Wessel Islands
TF 233 troops unloading over beach at Wessel Islands, 83,126

Japanese ground losses:
233 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (0 destroyed, 6 disabled)
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Air Combat

Our limited CAP over the basin claimed 9 enemy fighters while loosing 8 friendly.
Pilot losses were lighter fighting over friendly turf. Combat report today indicates a totla of 24 enemy ac lost in all theaters while Japan lost 20.

While we bombed enemy LCU's moderately Allied bombers returned the favor 4 times.
I've removed these bombing reports, just leaving the first xx number of Allied fighter sweeps that removed all our CAP fighters before the bombers arrived.
It's almost impossible to get to the bombers unless deploying 1.5 times more fighters in the exact area were the enemy is attacking.

We also continue to suppress Tennant Creek and Changsha.


Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 176 minutes
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Morning Air attack on 14th Guards Regiment, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Hurricane IIa Trop sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on 4th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane IIa Trop sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 15

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet
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Mini KB launched 2 good strikes and sank 6 light (loaded) frighters, an escort and 3 fleet destroyers!
That's quite a scoop!

With 70 Nells at Port Blair and the Mini KB in the Indian Sea it will be very dangerous for Andy to sortie again.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Vizagapatnam at 42,41
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
B5N2 Kate x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AM Poole, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Kwangtung, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Norman
DD Nepal

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
6 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
6 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Vizagapatnam at 42,41
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 38
B5N1 Kate x 12
B5N2 Kate x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Phelps, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAKL De Haan, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD Nepal, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Norman, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Lematang, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Siaoe, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL De Klerk, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Bintoehan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
7 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 4000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL De Haan
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Ground Combat

Captured a dot base behind the Burma basin to divert Allied resources.

Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 63 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 3
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Kalemyo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
3rd Raiding Rgt /2
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Burma




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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 4:25:11 PM   
witpqs


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Status: offline 		Remember that while that is the daily cap, the rules on which days a base can actually draw supplies depend upon movement range to another base.

I forget the values, but there is short range, medium range, and long range. For example a railroad from one hex to the next makes that hex 'cheap' in terms of range, while mountain terrain with not even a road makes that hex very expensive.

Short range: 4 days per week.
Medium range: 2 days per week.
Long range: 1 day per week.

I am not sure if the algorithm makes them be cumulative (in other words if a base at short range partakes in all 3 cycles thereby being eligible to receive supply 7 days per week).

You might have a cluster of inland bases all within short range of each other, but if the closest base from which that cluster (as a whole) can receive supply is at medium range, then you are stuck with 2 (or 3) days per week.

I suppose the railroad to central Burma will make supply easy, but this can matter for you at other times. Like if roads and rail lines get cut. It most likely is a limiting factor for Andy's forces getting supplies.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 5:39:31 PM   
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Keep an eye on hex-side ownership. (forget the key to turn on the view off the top of my head). Andy is going to be using hex-side ownership to his advantage in this theater, so make sure you are aware on how it will cut off your movement. (which you learned the hard with him moving that unit through the hexside of your advance).

This really is Andy playing to his strengths. He appears to be putting all his energy into this theater because he doesn't feel capable of the same bold advances in a more naval/aviation setting like the pacific.


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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 6:06:08 PM   
witpqs


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Status: offline 		Good point! Hex side ownership affects supply movement, too.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 7:29:43 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Hm, what is short - medium and long range then?
What is the distance Rangoon - Shwebo considered as and how many weekly supply burst will Shewbo get?
Will supply still move into Shewbo as long as I control Mandalay and the hex side going south to Rangoon?

I think Andy is playing his best card; he can't do a Cent Pac offensive yet and he knows all about ground combat and loves SEAC


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 16, 42

Sub Attacks

Our sub is spotted by the escorts and given a beating...
This east of Auckland!

ASW attack near Raoul Island at 124,185

Japanese Ships
SS I-8, hits 2

Allied Ships
TK Salland
TK Osthav
TK Gulfcoast
xAK Michael Livanos
xAK George Livanos
xAK Sophocles
xAK Skagerak
xAK Borgfred
xAK Bintang
DD Dent
DD Farragut
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Air Combat

Again there are a dozen sweeps which we fight to a draw!
Numerous Allied (and some) Jap attacks on troops continue to harass the ground armies.
- This is a ground interdiction on a D-Day scale in 42.

We manage to organize our air defense so well that there are fighters left when the bombers appear
over some central targets.

Despite that over 40 fighters intercept the bombers, especially B-17's not _ONE_ bomber is claimed lost in A2A.
2 B-17's and 2 B-25's are op losses, heavy flak didn't count either.
- Gawd almighty, this is truly mission impossible!

Still, 40 Allied ac losses must hurt. We lost only 5 pilots KIA, 1 MIA and 11 WIA.
That's acceptable.

Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 41
Hudson I x 14
Mitchell II x 4
B-17D Fortress x 5
B-17E Fortress x 28
P-40E Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 4 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7
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Morning Air attack on 4th Guards Division, at 76,133
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 2
B-17F Fortress x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 5 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
21st Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 2
B-17F Fortress x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 5 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 2
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Our first attack in Mandalay meet a large Army and our adjust AV is crap!

Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11232 troops, 168 guns, 706 vehicles, Assault Value = 1370
Defending force 44929 troops, 751 guns, 1228 vehicles, Assault Value = 1615

Japanese adjusted assault: 211
Allied adjusted defense: 607

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1370 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 105 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 107 (12 destroyed, 95 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
277 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Vehicles lost 46 (1 destroyed, 45 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
90th Infantry Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
79th Infantry Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
33rd Road Const Co
55th Field AA Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
15th Army
21st Army

Defending units:
267th Armoured Brigade
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
73rd Motorised Brigade
7th Australian Division
9th Indian Division
6th Medium Regiment
205th Coast AA Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
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Ground combat at Wessel Islands (83,126)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1106 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 39
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 20
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 20 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Wessel Islands !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
48th Naval Guard Unit
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A brigade is used to chase our recon unit into the jungle - behind the enemy forces in the Burma basin.

Ground combat at 58,44
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2453 troops, 42 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 120
Defending force 597 troops, 3 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 222
Japanese adjusted defense: 29

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
216 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
14th British Brigade

Defending units:
56th Recon Regiment
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Counter attack against our paras; they retreat into the jungle.

Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 205 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16
Defending force 63 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Allied adjusted assault: 13

Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kalemyo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
77th Chindit Bde /1
111th Chindit Bde /4

Defending units:
3rd Raiding Rgt /2
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 7:38:30 PM   
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We got Tennant Creek utterly suppressed and closed and Oz turns quiet again.
- No activity in Cent Pac or China.

In a week I got enough ac to equip a Oscar unit with the new Tony interceptor.




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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 10:49:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Empire needs new and more hefty equipment to fight the Allies in Burma and the CinC visited the Evil Empire Ally in Europe to buy some new toys!
- Now only one problem remains, how to transport it to Burma




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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/11/2010 11:50:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

The Empire needs new and more hefty equipment to fight the Allies in Burma and the CinC visited the Evil Empire Ally in Europe to buy some new toys!
- Now only one problem remains, how to transport it to Burma






They will go overland. I think strait through Russia will be the shortest way...

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 12:24:54 AM   
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The Empire needs new and more hefty equipment to fight the Allies in Burma and the CinC visited the Evil Empire Ally in Europe to buy some new toys!
- Now only one problem remains, how to transport it to Burma





Ironically, the historical Japanese government did, in fact, buy a single Tiger tank from the Germans. So far as I know it never left germany, but some sort of Japanese technical mission probably took it apart.

If I remember somewhere, the Japanese got sort of ripped off as well in that they paid the "list" price for the tank whereas the wehrmacht had a discounted rate.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 2:08:49 AM   
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Ironically, the historical Japanese government did, in fact, buy a single Tiger tank from the Germans. So far as I know it never left germany, but some sort of Japanese technical mission probably took it apart.

If I remember somewhere, the Japanese got sort of ripped off as well in that they paid the "list" price for the tank whereas the wehrmacht had a discounted rate.


Bloody insider trading and back handers. No wonder the 1000 year Reich fell short.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 6:50:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the picture shows "The" Tiger that was sold to Japan!
- Japan later graciously "borrowed" the Tiger to the Germans...guess it shared fate with its brethrens.

As with most over engineered toys the Germans produced this product would most likely not be something Japan had capacity to produce.
I would settle for the blueprints for the Panzerfaust. That would be a tad more convenient than lying in a fox hole with a Pole Mine and a fixed appointment with the Shinto Shrine 

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 10:24:51 AM   
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Actually the picture shows "The" Tiger that was sold to Japan!
- Japan later graciously "borrowed" the Tiger to the Germans...guess it shared fate with its brethrens.

As with most over engineered toys the Germans produced this product would most likely not be something Japan had capacity to produce.
I would settle for the blueprints for the Panzerfaust. That would be a tad more convenient than lying in a fox hole with a Pole Mine and a fixed appointment with the Shinto Shrine 


Actually the Japanese produced a modified copy of the Bazooka in 1945 (the Type 4 70mm Rocket Launcher). But they were only issued to combat units in the Home Islands und thus never encountered in combat by the Allies.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 1:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, found them here; 3500 75mm bazookas were made!
- Wonder if they show up in the OOBs and give Japan an increased AT capability...

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 5:33:20 PM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/12/2010 7:44:21 PM   
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You can actually carry that tank home of a sub. Just strap it to the deck. No problem.......



Yeah, it actually helps crash diving...

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 8:53:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		A summary of battle for the last 2 days. No snags yet and I've not returned the last turn.
- Took a long time simply to watch the replays.

I've just let some of the main actions remain in the reports because there were dozens of sweeps and bomber
missions each turn especially in Burma.

Air Battles Nov 17-18

In all I counted more than 250 4E sorties over Shwebo and Mandalay and despite all our flak and CAP presence
not a sigle 4E has been reported lost for any reason. I find this incredible and almost impossible.
- Weather forecasts for the area has been rain and t-storms for the last 2 days, this did not prevent a single
ac from flying for I've never seen such a massive Allied air effort in 42 before.

We fought back as good as we could, bombing enemy troops and flying prolonged CAP missions that several times
got at the enemy bombers. In reality our fighters would have swept down on the bombers from high altitude, shooting down
a number and then get embroiled in dogfights with the escort while now and then engaging the bomber formations.
- In AE sweeps now dominate the picture completely and any bomber intercept has to survice a dozen of them to
engage a single bomber.

Total air losses for Nov 17 was 52 Allied and 52 Jap ac.
Total air losses for Nov 18 was 53 Allied and 85 Jap ac.
In total 105 Allied and 137 Jap ac were lost.

Our only advantage is that fighting over friendly ground the number of killed pilots was lower than it could have been.
- 23 for Nov 18 I think.

Ground Combat

No combat on Nov 17, all fighting taking place on Nov 18.
- Our troops in Shwebo were all in red in regards to supply and Shwebo itself never had more than 20 supplies
over the last week. I just couldn't get enough in despite lying on a rail line a short distance from major bases.

3 or 4 days ago I decided against marching our troops out of Shwebo and leaving the place to Andy.
This may have been a costly decision, but it may also have opened an opportunity.

On Nov 18 I managed to march some units from Shwebo to Mandalay as I correctly observed that it would be impossible
to win a defensive battle without supplies. - It is a bit ironic that while our troops lies at a rail head and
close to major bases we cannot supply them. Allied troops on the other hand fighting without even a dirt road connection with
the main bases in India, they have enough supplies to WALK through the mountains and fight fully supplied from the
air and wherever.

I will not say that something is broken, but I think my belief in the supply system is getting thin.

The Allied assault at Shwebo achieved a 17-1 odds as we were without forts and supplies.
If this had been a jungle hex the result would most likely have been 1-2 despite everything.
- In total 2 divisions, 1 regiment and 4 tank units were routed.

According to my plan all our troops in the basin would have confronted the Allied army north of Magwe; instead a single tank
Brigade won the race between the "Stack" and "Mandalay" and halted our movement. The "Stack" was thus allowed to
move into Mandalay and engage half our army.

- The good thing about Nov 18 was the the Allied assault got a miserable AV and failed.

If Andy can continue to supply 100k troops, 1000 guns and 1500 vehicles in Mandalay from the air and Shwebo
on the other side of the river I'll be surprised (even though I'm not easy to surprise anymore).

Within 2 days I should have 3300 AV ready to attack in Mandalay.
- This is not enough time to march troops from Shwebo and unless there is some supply magic I hope to
drive "The stack" back into the river.

This will require a continued combat against the Uber bombers so I'm far from sure we can achieve more than
a stalemate.

The entire Burma Campaign is a big strain on my motivation to play AE as I just can't manage to justify
ground and air combat on these premises in the most hostile and least accessible theater of WWII


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 17, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 205th Coast AA Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 53
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 205th Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 205th Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 205th Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 205th Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 2
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
1 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 2nd Recon Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 50
Blenheim VD x 7
Hudson IIIa x 6
Hurricane IIa Trop x 12
Wellington Ic x 33
Hudson I x 20
Mitchell II x 4
B-17D Fortress x 8
B-17E Fortress x 68
B-17F Fortress x 16
B-25C Mitchell x 61

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged
Hurricane IIa Trop: 2 destroyed
Wellington Ic: 4 damaged
Hudson I: 2 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Hudson I bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Hudson I bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
9 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
11 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
7 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x Hudson IIIa bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Mitchell II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead
203rd Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 56th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 56th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 56th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 14th Tank Regiment, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Bolingbroke IV: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 17000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 73rd Motorised Brigade, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 30
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 18, 42

Sub Attacks

Something unheard of happened today!
After a combined 40 attempts at launching midget subs
a brave soul finally got into Colombo harbour. The choice of target was not so impressive but at least
a hit was scored on an AVP! Guess that counts for something... The midget got grounded when heading home.

One of our tankers near Palembang was hit, no fires fortunately so she'll be ok.

Submarine attack near Bombay at 33,25

Japanese Ships
SS I-166

Allied Ships
xAK Demosthenes, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Demosthenes is sighted by SS I-166
SS I-166 launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Demosthenes
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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Colombo!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-16

Allied Ships
AVP Pollux, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Submarine attack near Singkep at 50,88

Japanese Ships
TK San Luis Maru, Torpedo hits 1

Allied Ships
SS KXIII

TK San Luis Maru is sighted by SS KXIII
SS KXIII launches 4 torpedoes at TK San Luis Maru
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Air Combat

Side note: For some time we have bombed Changsha heavily.
Yesterday Andy marched 3 Chinese corps into Liuchow; a clear hex base.
- I saw this as an opportunity to spank them and ordered my bombers to hit the ground troops instead.
Our Tojo's contiued to sweep Changsha just as Andy decided to deploy his Chink AF :-D
Needless to say they suffered....

Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 11
P-43A-1 Lancer x 14
P-66 Vanguard x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-43A-1 Lancer: 4 destroyed
P-66 Vanguard: 4 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 7
Hurricane IIc Trop x 9
Spitfire Vc Trop x 16
P-40E Warhawk x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 29000 feet *

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
21st Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
203rd Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 24
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 18

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 16
P-38E Lightning x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 2 destroyed
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
260th Sentai/C with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Raid is overhead
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 13 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
68th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 17
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-38G Lightning x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
260th Sentai/C with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 196 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 248 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
68th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 148 minutes
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-38F Lightning x 16
P-40K Warhawk x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on 100th Chinese Corps, at 74,55 (Liuchow)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 63rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 63rd Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 74,55 (Liuchow)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Chinese Corps, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 8
Hurricane IIb Trop x 6
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 10
P-40K Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with P-40K Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 29000
Raid is overhead
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 24000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 50 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 29000
Raid is overhead
3 planes vectored on to bombers
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
No.607 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
343rd FG/11th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 10 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 53 minutes
10 planes vectored on to bombers

Also attacking 66th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 66th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 46th Indian Brigade, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 48
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 28
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 4
Hurricane IIb Trop x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 11000 feet
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 99 minutes
No.607 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 72 minutes
343rd FG/11th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 71 minutes

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 46th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 46th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 46th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 46th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 46th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 1
Blenheim IV x 53
Blenheim VD x 10
Hudson IIIa x 9
Hurricane IIa Trop x 2
Liberator II x 3
Vengeance I x 14
Wellington Ic x 32
Hudson I x 15
Mitchell II x 4
B-17D Fortress x 8
B-17E Fortress x 58
B-17F Fortress x 28
B-25C Mitchell x 52
P-40E Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 1 damaged
Wellington Ic: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
180 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 78

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hudson I bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Hudson I bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
11 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
1 x Beaufighter VIc bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
9 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
10 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
6 x Vengeance I bombing from 3000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
14 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x Hudson IIIa bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Mitchell II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x Vengeance I bombing from 4000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
260th Sentai/A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 22000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes

Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd Recon Battalion ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 2nd Recon Battalion ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 2
Liberator II x 9
Hudson I x 9
Kittyhawk IA x 11
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 2 damaged
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hudson I bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
9 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
260th Sentai/A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 71 minutes

Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking Shwebo ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
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Afternoon Air attack on 7th Ind.Tank Brigade, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 5
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 15
SBD-3 Dauntless x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
21st Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
203rd Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Raid is overhead--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ground Combat

Ground combat at Liuchow (74,55)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11025 troops, 121 guns, 300 vehicles, Assault Value = 1174
Defending force 21354 troops, 107 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 938

Japanese adjusted assault: 332
Allied adjusted defense: 223

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 35 (1 destroyed, 34 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
739 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Assaulting units:
116th/A Division
51st Recon Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
104th Division
15th/B Division
12th Tank Regiment
102nd Infantry Regiment
66th Infantry Regiment
14th RGC Temp./C Division
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
13th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
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Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 65853 troops, 1047 guns, 1535 vehicles, Assault Value = 3007
Defending force 38450 troops, 413 guns, 1184 vehicles, Assault Value = 1535

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 458
Japanese adjusted defense: 1584

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1417 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 130 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Vehicles lost 87 (2 destroyed, 85 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2179 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 195 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 310 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 47 disabled
Vehicles lost 90 (1 destroyed, 89 disabled)

Assaulting units:
23rd Indian Division
2nd British Division
9th Indian Division
267th Armoured Brigade
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
23rd British Brigade
20th Indian Division
7th Australian Division
73rd Motorised Brigade
45th Recce Regiment
95th Heavy AA Regiment
205th Coast AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
XV Indian Corps
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
79th Infantry Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
90th Infantry Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
17th Tank Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
Guards Tank Division
15th Army
4th JAAF AF Coy
55th Field AA Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
33rd Road Const Co
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
21st Army
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Ground combat at Shwebo (59,45)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 42733 troops, 481 guns, 287 vehicles, Assault Value = 1911
Defending force 32576 troops, 348 guns, 566 vehicles, Assault Value = 1245

Allied adjusted assault: 1721
Japanese adjusted defense: 151

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Shwebo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
12503 casualties reported
Squads: 155 destroyed, 148 disabled
Non Combat: 488 destroyed, 133 disabled
Engineers: 96 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 202 (202 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 491 (491 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 9

Allied ground losses:
3004 casualties reported
Squads: 78 destroyed, 114 disabled
Non Combat: 83 destroyed, 164 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 10 disabled
Vehicles lost 26 (9 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
46th Indian Brigade
150th RAC Regiment
39th Indian Division
17th Indian Division
14th Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
66th Chinese/C Corps
Burma Corps

Defending units:
4th Division
14th Division
2nd Recon Battalion
23rd Tank Regiment
14th Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
14th Guards Regiment
56th Field AA Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to Mistmatz)
Post #: 1191
RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 9:14:45 AM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
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Status: offline 		You are winning the airwar. Trust me, the losses sure hurt him more than they hurt you. When the Allies lose more than 100 ac in two days then they will soon run out of replacements. Medium bomber replacements for the RAF are more or less non existent. Hurricane replacements are "ok", a couple of dozen every month but Tojos should be able to deal with them (depending on the use of course). He gets very few B-25 and no B-17 at all anymore, every single B-17 you down can´t be replaced. He just started to get P-40K but these can be taken out by Tojos as easily as Hurricanes can (again depending on how you use them and of course depending on if you restrict yourselve to "reasonable" altitudes or not). Leaves him with 20 P-38 per month as the only superior fighter I can see.

How many Tojos do you produce? 100? 150? 200? IMO, as long as the Allied isn´t trashing you 3:1 it will hurt the Allied far more than it´s going to hurt you.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 1:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if Andy wins the ground war before I win the air war it will be a mute point...
- It's almost impossible to win ground battle when the opposition can dump 400 bombers against you at any time.
Did you notice my comment about Andy not loosing a single 4E despite 250+ sorties in foul weather through flak and CAP?

Even though I produce 150-200 Tojo's a month I only got 140 in the pool and the last couple of days losses will require almost a third of them.
It also takes time to rest and re-equip worn down air groups. Got 3 large groups in PM and Northern Oz, maybe I can rotate the units.

I just can't get over the fact that it's possible for the Allies to either;
a) Supply 100k troops in Burma by air
b) Draw supplies from India into Burma without having a single rail og road connection.
I couldn't even support 40k troops in Shwebo using both...

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 1:46:12 PM   
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Well, if Andy wins the ground war before I win the air war it will be a mute point...
- It's almost impossible to win ground battle when the opposition can dump 400 bombers against you at any time.
Did you notice my comment about Andy not loosing a single 4E despite 250+ sorties in foul weather through flak and CAP?

Even though I produce 150-200 Tojo's a month I only got 140 in the pool and the last couple of days losses will require almost a third of them.
It also takes time to rest and re-equip worn down air groups. Got 3 large groups in PM and Northern Oz, maybe I can rotate the units.

I just can't get over the fact that it's possible for the Allies to either;
a) Supply 100k troops in Burma by air
b) Draw supplies from India into Burma without having a single rail og road connection.
I couldn't even support 40k troops in Shwebo using both...



I did notice your comment about the 4Es but also here, I can asure you that over time he will lose bombers. I´m doing milk runs in my PBEM on a daily basis with 100 4Es on average and am (unfortunetely) losing more than I get as replacements. This against no fighter opposition at all and some flak, well, Japanese flak isn´t an issue at all for the Allied bombers.

I´ve commented about supplies before (also in Andy´s AAR and the main forum) that I had never any supply problem in Burma while Andy says he´s got problem and without his transports it would be totally impossible to move forward. Hmm. As can be seen in my AAR, I took Burma with ease and that wouldn´t have been possible without supplies I guess. The closest base with supplies has been Akyab for me, but there are quite some jungle hexes between Akyab and Shwebo for example (which was the first base I took out IIRC). I´m sure everyone is telling the truth and so am I, but I can´t understand why the supply routines in my game should be different than the supply routines in other games. And there were lots of people claiming the same supply "issues" I did. Just ask my opponent if he´s happy about my Chinese Armies being fully supplied. This only a couple of months after the liberation of Burma.

You´re correct though, if you lose the ground war, it won´t matter a lot if you win the airwar. But speaking about the airwar alone, I can only repeat myselve. If you keep inflicting such losses on the enemy then you´re winning. With 140 in the pool, you´ve got more Tojos alone in the pool than I´ve got frontline fighters (speaking about total numbers) in the pool as the Allied in MID 43 (5/43). And no, in my game we usually don´t see a hundred aircraft destroyed in two days.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 1:51:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel your pain regarding the supply routine. The key here is to defend outside the bases as there you aren't affected by the supply cap at least. Sadly there is not much bad terrain around Mandalay and withdrawing south means giving up Magwe and its oil.

Wait until you see such fun things as an overland New Guinea campaign (currently beyond Lae and Finschafen) supplied through PM. The ability to move supply at will through several trail-less jungle hexes is one of the biggest problems (if not THE biggest) in AE IMO.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 1:55:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I miss is the opportunity to catch enemy bombers by surprise out of the sun...
This would rip into them a bit more - but probably hit the Jap Ronso's much more

Yes I hear what Andy says, what you say and from my own experiences troops starving in a base get fully supply if they "step outside".
Maybe Andy will get bigger problems now as he got Shwebo and is entangled in a fight for Mandalay. Andy says his severe reduction in AV came as a result of not being fully supplied.

- Dropping supply canisters in parachute would be a completely impossible way to bring fuel, food and ammo to 100k troops.
This is the point that hurts me, cause were else shuld it be coming from  - Uncle Jungle Joe?

I'm going to cook the goose for what its worth and squeeze out a maximum effort from my fighters, bombers and order the Army to fight until the enemy is beaten. Defeat is not an option!!!

Andy obviously has another view Rainer; I know to little about the game mechanics to bull that I'm right about this, but the gut feeling isn't all to good.
If I only could grow a few palm trees around Magwe and Mandalay we would have been safe

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 3:17:20 PM   
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On Nov 18 I managed to march some units from Shwebo to Mandalay as I correctly observed that it would be impossible
to win a defensive battle without supplies. - It is a bit ironic that while our troops lies at a rail head and
close to major bases we cannot supply them. Allied troops on the other hand fighting without even a dirt road connection with
the main bases in India, they have enough supplies to WALK through the mountains and fight fully supplied from the
air and wherever.

I will not say that something is broken, but I think my belief in the supply system is getting thin.

The Allied assault at Shwebo achieved a 17-1 odds as we were without forts and supplies.
If this had been a jungle hex the result would most likely have been 1-2 despite everything.
- In total 2 divisions, 1 regiment and 4 tank units were routed.

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I couldn't even support 40k troops in Shwebo using both...


Hi PzB,

With the possibilty of sounding like a pompous ass. I know its a bit late now, but i've tried to understand how the supply draw works in the moonson area and im a bit surprised at seeing ur bases infrastructure. Maybe there is some thing to learn going ahead and for other games.

Looking at Shwebo(from Andy's AAR), it isnt build up at all. Its is essential to build up the bases in Assam and Burma for purely supply purposes. Both for offensivly and defensivly. It simply cant be stressed enough. If u really wana defend it. Ofc if u dont want to defend it, leave it be as it woudl only help an enemy advance.

The amount of supply u able to draw into a moonson base depence on how large the airfield, port and FORTs are combined in ur bases.
Having 0 forts hurts you ALOT in supply draw. Simplisticly said RR/road acts mainly as a multiplier for supply draw, but if u base is inherite small a multiplier means nothing. (read 100000000 times 0 still = 0.)
If Shwebo had forts 3 to add it would prolly have some thing like a quadrobled supply draw per turn. It would have made alot of difference. RR in it self doesnt help much.

I can understand ppl saying ok i dont wana build up the AFs in Burma for the allied to take. Ok, but u sorta have too if u wana fight there else u cant draw supply. Espcially if u want to have 10 divs fight there defensivly then its a must.
At leased build up the forts fast and early when u take it. One fort level helps as much as one AF level in supply draw and at leased that wont be taken over by the enemy.

On the allied side to its same. If u wana move into Burma ur infrastructure in Assam needs to be build up first. "Big" bases means every thing from a supply standpoint and ur ability to sustain any kinda army.

Hope it helps, its meant that way

Rasmus

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 3:20:46 PM   
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I will not say that something is broken, but I think my belief in the supply system is getting thin.

The Allied assault at Shwebo achieved a 17-1 odds as we were without forts and supplies.
If this had been a jungle hex the result would most likely have been 1-2 despite everything.
- In total 2 divisions, 1 regiment and 4 tank units were routed.


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Welcome to our AFB nightmare. This has been a serious problem in China from the start where any major city is indefencible because as soon as you park any kind of unit there, the unit quickly drops down to 0 supply. While any units parked parked in an neighboring hex (does not matter what the terrain) usually has plenty of supply. You simply can not fight in cities but must make your stand in the terrain that is in front of the city. This of course make mute any fortifications that you wasted time and precious supplies to build in the city and of course prevents you from basing aircraft. It is totally whacked and I complained about it and sent all sorts of examples to tech support. I was then told in short order that it was working perfectly as designed and that the problem was that I just could not grasp the concept that the Chinese were just going to have supply problems.....

Many others have complained but to no avail. Better get used to it.

See this post made in March http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2401450&mpage=1&key=supply?

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 3:38:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		yup, the supply routine is wad so that´s probably what they think how it should be. Well, that´s why I´m obviously able to do "jungle offensives". Works for both sides the same.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 3:53:31 PM   
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yup, the supply routine is wad so that´s probably what they think how it should be. Well, that´s why I´m obviously able to do "jungle offensives". Works for both sides the same.


Problem is that one has to understand and its apparently WAD, so u gota work with whats there.
Supply draw limits affects bases and if at all, seemingly lot less non base hexes. At leased until some distance from a major base. So wana defend bases in Monsoon, u gota build up those bases alot.
Even dot bases can draw 1000, where as a base with combined 1 level of AF/fort/port on a trail 100. Suggesting the above could be correct.

This isnt to say the design is poor or good, merely suggesting ppl need to get the "aha" experience on how supply works and behave accordingly. Some of PzBs woes could have been rectified if acted on sooner. There prolly time to rectify some of it in those bases he own. Sorry i havent suggested it before, but i wasnt aware of this sooner and havent seen any "listing" of base structures.

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