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RE: NEWSFLASH; Efate captured! - 2/6/2011 6:31:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: PzB
60 fighters including Nicks greeted the enemy bombers when they arrived. We claimed 9 P-39s and only 3-4 4Es.
Would die for a wing of FW-190s and ME-110s with a battery of 4x20 and 30mm guns!

You will get new TONY models in September. With BETTER GUNS! AND RANGE OF 2!

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- The IIb got the punch to take out Thuds but it's hard.
3 Thuds and 2 Hurries claimed; we lost 2 Tojos, another 3 were written of after RTB.

Well, they were beyond Normal Range, so not the best arrangement.

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A remnant trapped near Darwin marched back in; tried to airlift them out with Mavis transports but didn't work.

They are at the coast. Really, you CAN use fast transports. Get some DDs, and choose option "Pick Up Unit". Ships will arrive at night, load what they can, and depart before dawn.

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Enemy warships reported sunk

Also on this list:
91 destroyers (all types)
45 subs (vs 23 Jap)
18 fleet oilers
40 tankers

I would say 58 Tankers, 45 subs, and 91 DDs are pretty good score.
How many transports? 500?

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Total: 950 ac

So we're already heavily outnumbered!

And Allies have better fighters!
As you can see, you were happier without that calculations.
Also, Allied CVs are completely passive lately, so numbers do not mean much obviously.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

In one of my PBM's I am seeing certain lines in the total air losses column vary up and down from one day to the next by around 20%.

Looks, that there is FOW for daily loses, and another, different FOW, for total loses

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ORIGINAL: janh

My guess is that European and Pacific fronts are best abstracted in different ways, and we will probably not see a WiEurope in the style and depth of AE. Time will tell.

Try Western Front: The Liberation of Europe 1944-1945.
WITP is already upgraded version, War in Russia get "upgrade" recently, so WF is next in line.

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Line Islands again? I would doubt it, too predictable.

Not, that Allies have much choice. It is Line Islands, Port Moresby/Guadalcanal, or Timor. No other options.
Well, OK, there are other options, but they are muuuuuch riskier.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 6:31:35 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 31, 43

Sub-ASW Attacks

Our sub guarding the approaches to Efate encounters the invasion convoy!

ASW attack near Erromango at 119,156

Japanese Ships
SS RO-60, hits 6

Allied Ships
DE Arrow
AK Castor
xAP West Point
xAK Vito
xAK Sawokla
xAKL Vichy
DD Nestor
DD Napier
DD Thanet
DD Russell

SS RO-60 is sighted by escort
DD Nestor fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Napier fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Russell attacking submerged sub ....
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Russell fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Its possible that enemy carriers are nearby!

Morning Air attack on Efate , at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 20000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Efate , at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 16
Hudson III (LR) x 3

No Allied losses

Port hits 2
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Efate

Can anyone explain that "accelerated pilot training" message?

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 6:47:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: PzB

Can anyone explain that "accelerated pilot training" message?

That is exactly what pilots in TRACOM do.
And this Wildcat over Palmyra, is recon version, but I am wondering if it have enough range to fly from Hawaii.

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Post #: 1983

RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 7:25:30 PM

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I have to admit I was a teensy bit concerned about the "Emperor's dingle" comment a few posts back.

If Andy's going for the Line Islands again you have to give him an A for pure stubbornness. I concur that the Palmyra flight is the recon version, while sighting Dauntlesses near Efate is more likely to be a true CV sighting (but not definite as they could be land based, of course). The whole PH build up and recon flights could be a big diversion, who knows? Diversions aren't really Andy's style but he must be tired of failed invasions and maybe is trying something new.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 8:25:37 PM

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maybe after reading your message he decided to bait you with a diversion thinking you were on alert

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 8:37:07 PM

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To use the "pick up" option for fast transports the troops need to be at a base, not?
Not had motivation to count enemy AKs and APs sunk lately, would have been so easy to include a counter in the lists

We now have the Tony 1c in production, same range 4 normal, 5-6 extended. New model got gun value 16 instead of 14, upgrades to 2x12,7mm and 2x20mm cannons.
Not to bad against fighters and medium bombers but still not good enough against 4Es - especially not with those short legs.

Sometimes it's good to step back and try to get a better overview of the situation! I tend to forget how many CVEs the US get and Andy loves (to waste)them.
In fleet carriers alone we're almost at parity.

I have spotted numerous TFs with CV and BBs in PH; pretty sure some of these spottings are correct.
What is the Wildcat recon model's range, can they be flown from Johnston Island?

Yes, I know TRACOM is supposed to accelerate training but this is the first time I've seen any results and I'm not that much wiser.
266 pilots accelerated one training cycle? Since they stop training at a crappy 30-40 exp it's really not that much to cheer about.

No worries Cribtop

Maybe, the entire Efate and Luganville affair was just a diversion for me.
That Andy is sending in a full scale invasion force to defeat 150 paras must be a good deal no matter what

- I'm not going to crash into something without getting more intel first.

Air Production Numbers

As you can see quite a few of the factories are turned off.
Important not to overproduce as that will have serious consequences later in the war.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 10:41:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: PzB

To use the "pick up" option for fast transports the troops need to be at a base, not?

Nope. You will see loooong list of all available units. This option is exactly for evacuation.

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266 pilots accelerated one training cycle? Since they stop training at a crappy 30-40 exp it's really not that much to cheer about.

Yup. Not very useful feature.

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Air Production Numbers

So you upgraded all TOJO factories?

The last of the options is assault from Fiji into Canton/Baker. But for it, Allies would have to transfer forces from USA, or Australia.
Both Timor, and New Guinea have much Japan airbases, so still, Line Islands seems to be safest bet.
Eventually Midway, but conquering it do not change strategic situation.

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Post #: 1987

RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 10:56:27 PM

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Ah yes, I examined and confirmed this Inq! Hadn't seen the (hex xx,xx) pickups before. Learn something all the time

Yep, the Tojo factories auto upgraded after some time and I have lots of the old version in the pools.

I think Andy is trying to draw me south towards Efate; would have been nice to squash that invasion force but we were just not in
position to do so this time. There are still huge TFs reported at PH - next few days will show if they sortie.

So the Efate invasion convoy goes in and starts unloading!
- I ordered ca 50 Nells and Betties based around Guadalcanal to strike from 17 hexes.
They all had orders to launch torpedoes.

To my (and probably Andy's) surprise they took off and attacked the invasion force.
A Wildcat CAP failed to materialize, think they come from Tanna 3 hexes to the south together with the SBDs.

In the first attack we sank 2 loaded transports plus a destroyer.
To my annoyance the Nells bombed from 15k feet instead of using torps.

In the PM phase much the same happened, but this time all ac carried torpedoes (can anyone explain this, when I checked the Air HQ still had 40 torps available and all bombers were ordered
to carry torps within normal range

). This was one of those attacks were all ac just slided past the targets, I immediately knew they wouldn't hit anything.
- But that's almost a 1000 lost troops today.

Tomorrow there will most likely be CAP over the ships so I pull back the Betties and Netties; they would fall down in droves unescorted.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 01, 43

Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Efate

2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Napier
DD Thanet
DD Russell
DD Gansevoort
DD Gwin
AK Castor
DD Nestor

DD Napier firing at 2nd Raiding Regiment
DD Thanet firing at 2nd Raiding Regiment
DD Russell firing at 2nd Raiding Regiment
DD Gansevoort firing at 2nd Raiding Regiment
DD Gwin firing at 2nd Raiding Regiment
DD Napier fired at enemy troops
DD Gwin fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Efate
TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Efate, 120,154

Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (0 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

11 troops of a NZ Inf Section lost from landing craft during unload of 14th NZ Bde
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Invasion Support action off Efate
1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Castor
DD Nestor

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Efate
2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Castor
DD Nestor

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Efate , at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 19000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Efate , at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 18

No Allied losses

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 20000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Efate , at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 16
Hudson III (LR) x 3

No Allied losses

Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 15000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
16 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 15000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Efate , at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 19000 feet
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Efate at 120,154
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 13
G4M1 Betty x 23

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Sawokla
DD Sims, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK City of Rayville
xAK Harmonides, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK Castor
xAK Vito, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Gwin
DE Arrow

Allied ground losses:
874 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 80 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 12 (12 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
23 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
VMF-121 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(17 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Efate at 120,154
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 20
G4M1 Betty x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
DE Arrow
DD Nestor
DD Thanet
DD Russell
DD Gwin
DD Gansevoort
xAP West Point

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
21 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
VMF-121 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
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Efate Operations

Look at that huge troopship, what's that doing in an amph TF?

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 10:59:40 PM

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Look at this little beauty

Arrived with crack pilots!
It's sister arrives in 3 days; will downgrade the "next gen" Jills and Zekes onboard that ship to provide replacements for the ones on Unryu.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/6/2011 11:07:23 PM

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Unryu's

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/7/2011 1:46:16 AM

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The naval attack routine will sometimes choose bombs over torps if the targets are considered "low value", regardless of the settings. I think this was a measure designed to reduce the previous uberness of the Netties.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/7/2011 9:30:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

The naval attack routine will sometimes choose bombs over torps if the targets are considered "low value", regardless of the settings. I think this was a measure designed to reduce the previous uberness of the Netties.

really, why are LCI attacked with torps then?

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Post #: 1992

RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/7/2011 11:38:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

The naval attack routine will sometimes choose bombs over torps if the targets are considered "low value", regardless of the settings. I think this was a measure designed to reduce the previous uberness of the Netties.

really, why are LCI attacked with torps then?

See the bolded word?

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/7/2011 11:44:25 AM

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From the Unryu Class write-up

". . . in fact the whole class was a crash curse in carrier construction."

A delightful typo

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/7/2011 4:27:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

The naval attack routine will sometimes choose bombs over torps if the targets are considered "low value", regardless of the settings. I think this was a measure designed to reduce the previous uberness of the Netties.

really, why are LCI attacked with torps then?

See the bolded word?

sometimes must be really, really seldom then. Or AI games are treated completely different.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/7/2011 9:06:56 PM

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The Shinano may have been cursed, the Unryu's also in regard to being completed late enough in the war to become nothing but targets!

Can that be so, overruling torp settings to drop bombs?

If someone did something like that to Allied ac they'd be lynched!

The biggest problem with switching ordnance is that the bombers have to drop to lower altitudes to bomb effectively.
Sailing in at 15k feet ensures that they won't hit a thing..so in this case there should be 2 settings; one altitude for bombing runs and one if armed with torpedoes.

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RAIDERS!! - 2/7/2011 9:56:40 PM

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A raider intercepts a convoy; after a shootout with the Taney (5" guns) the raider has to withdraw with moderate damage.
A tanker is torched and 3 other ships reported hit.

Been fleshing out the airgroups aboard the Unryu today; Looks like 30 fighters, 20 Judys and 18 Jills will be the complement.
That's 68 ac, a slight overstacking (63 ac standard) but well within the 15% limit (9 ac).

We now got 10 engineer and construction units ready to ship out to build bases and fortifications.
They will mainly go to the area between New Guinea to Sumatra. As soon as the outer line of defenses and forts are completed the engineers are
moved into the interior to build forts and bases we still not have had capacity to develop.

My big challenge is that I really need to divide a division into 10 sub units (430 / 10 = 43 AV would have been perfect).
Don't have enough small sized LCUs to garrison the myriad of important bases in Malaya, Philippines etc. Anyone have a good receipt for how I can divide a large LCU
into equal smaller units?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 02, 43

Sub - ASW Attacks

The RO-60 sinks!
Her sister sinks an AKL unloading at Efate with her 8cm deck gun.
Finally a good captain who didn't spend torpedoes after torching a small target!!!

ASW attack near Efate at 119,155

Japanese Ships
SS RO-60, hits 12, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Russell
DE Arrow
AK Castor
xAP West Point
DD Nestor
DD Napier
DD Thanet

SS RO-60 is sighted by escort
DD Nestor fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Napier fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Thanet attacking submerged sub ....
DD Thanet fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Thanet attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Eureka at 206,79

Japanese Ships
SS I-15, hits 6

Allied Ships
TK Esso Durban
xAK Clan Macquarrie
xAK Yunnan
xAK Wanaka
PC Taney

SS I-15 is sighted by escort
PC Taney attacking submerged sub ....
PC Taney fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Taney fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Taney fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Taney fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Sub attack near Efate at 120,154

Japanese Ships
SS RO-101

Allied Ships
xAKL Vichy, Shell hits 12, heavy fires

xAKL Vichy is sighted by SS RO-101
SS RO-101 attacking on the surface
SS RO-101 low on gun ammo, Iwashita, E. breaks off surface engagement and submerges
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Submarine attack near Efate at 120,154

Japanese Ships
SS RO-101

Allied Ships
xAKL Vichy, heavy fires, heavy damage

SS RO-101 is sighted by xAKL Vichy
Captain of SS RO-101 elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
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Surface Combat

Day Time Surface Combat, near Eureka at 205,80, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Aikoku Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires

Allied Ships
SC-703
SC-705
TK Mobilstation
TK Esso Durban, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Varsova, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Wanaka, Shell hits 2
xAK Yochow, Shell hits 1
xAK Yunnan
xAK Clan Macquarrie
PC Taney

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 18,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru fires at TK Esso Durban at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages TK Esso Durban at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages PC Taney at 15,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages TK Mobilstation at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages PC Taney at 14,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Wanaka at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages PC Taney at 11,000 yards
Totoh, M. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 8,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Wanaka at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
TK Esso Durban screened from combat
- escorted by PC Taney , SC-705 , SC-703
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Yunnan at 14,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Wanaka at 14,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Varsova at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
TK Esso Durban , TK Mobilstation , xAK Clan Macquarrie screened from combat
- escorted by PC Taney , SC-705 , SC-703
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Yunnan at 19,000 yards
AMC Aikoku Maru engages xAK Yochow at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 24,000 yards
TK Esso Durban , TK Mobilstation , xAK Clan Macquarrie ,
xAK Yunnan , xAK Yochow , xAK Wanaka screened from combat
- escorted by PC Taney , SC-705 , SC-703
Task forces break off...
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Ground Combat

Using New Zealanders to do his dirty work...1000 sank with the ships sunk near Efate!

Ground combat at Efate (120,154)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1395 troops, 33 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 80
Defending force 246 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied adjusted assault: 58
Japanese adjusted defense: 9

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Efate !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th NZ Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Raiding Rgt /1
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Raider in Central Pacific!

The Taney actually is a historical ship!

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/7/2011 10:01:48 PM

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The single raider was actually just one of many!

I have launched a major raider campaign in the Central Pacific to disrupt Allied shipping.
A large AK acting as a replenishment ship, 2 AMCs and 2 light cruisers sortied from Midway and the Line Islands and easily made it into the Central Pacific!

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/7/2011 10:06:58 PM

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This turn we engaged the Taney again with a dedicated warship and she is left sinking; still only one AK was shot up.
Another raider intercepted another group of ships but they managed to escape before taking serious damage.

However, the chase continues!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 03, 43

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near San Francisco at 208,79, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura

Allied Ships
SC-703
SC-705
TK Mobilstation
xAK Varsova, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
xAK Wanaka
xAK Yochow
xAK Yunnan
xAK Clan Macquarrie
PC Taney, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 17% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 12,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CL Yura engages PC Taney at 2,000 yards
CL Yura engages xAK Varsova at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CL Yura engages PC Taney at 3,000 yards
CL Yura engages xAK Varsova at 3,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eureka at 203,81, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Gokoku Maru

Allied Ships
xAK Bintang, Shell hits 3
PG Charleston, Shell hits 2
xAK Iron King, Shell hits 3
xAK Chios

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 17% moonlight: 10,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 10,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru fires at PG Charleston at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages PG Charleston at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages xAK Bintang at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages PG Charleston at 5,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages xAK Iron King at 5,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages xAK Bintang at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages xAK Iron King at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages xAK Bintang at 12,000 yards
AMC Gokoku Maru engages xAK Iron King at 12,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
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Sub Attacks

Sub attack near San Francisco at 209,79

Japanese Ships
SS I-36, hits 3

Allied Ships
SC-705

SS I-36 launches 6 torpedoes
SC-705 attacking submerged sub ....
SC-705 cannot reach attack position over SS I-36
SC-705 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-705 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-705 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-705 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Efate (120,154)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1279 troops, 33 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 69
Defending force 149 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 15
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 15 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th NZ Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Raiding Rgt /1
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Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Efate by attrition!!!
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Raiders!

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/8/2011 12:22:35 AM

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At least he's escorting them now.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/8/2011 3:18:13 PM

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Those 5 inch guns Taney was shooting at you probably still had that new gun smell on them. According to Wikipedia:
Taney operated locally out of Honolulu into 1943 before sailing for Boston late that winter. Prior to heading for the east coast, the ship received a re-gunning at Mare Island, being fitted with four single-mount, 5-inch guns, making her the only ship in her class with this modification.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/8/2011 5:15:21 PM

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Indeed

Those "little ship" stories you come over when playing WitP are always fascinating!!

This turn we had a naval battle!
First our raiders finished of a damaged AK but failed to connect with the rest of the fleeing ships.
At Darwin however, I spotted some surface vessels and wondered how Andy managed to sneak them past my blokade.
So I sent a not to crack surface force made up of old CL Natori and a hodge podge force of available destroyers to sink them.

The problem was that the 4 Allied destroyers were lead by the light cruiser Leander..which put 2 torps and some 6" shells into poor Natori from
close range and sank her outright. In a running fight numerous hits were landed but only a Dutch destroyer was set ablaze before our destroyers left the fight.

So we need to find a more potent way of dispatching the Leander & CO!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 05, 43

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near San Francisco at 208,82, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tenryu

Allied Ships
xAK Bintang, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Darwin at 76,124, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Sagiri
DD Yugiri
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Tatsukaze
DD Uruyuke, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Leander
DD McCalla
DD McCall, Shell hits 1
DD Warramunga
DD Tjerk Hiddes, Shell hits 6, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 35% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Bell, A A crosses the 'T'
CL Natori engages CL Leander at 11,000 yards
DD Shiokaze engages DD McCall at 11,000 yards
DD Shiokaze engages DD McCalla at 11,000 yards
DD McCalla engages DD Yugiri at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CL Natori engages CL Leander at 5,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Yugiri at 5,000 yards
DD Tatsukaze engages DD McCall at 5,000 yards
DD McCall engages DD Tatsukaze at 5,000 yards
DD Shiokaze engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CL Natori engages CL Leander at 2,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 2,000 yards
DD Tatsukaze engages DD Warramunga at 2,000 yards
DD McCall engages DD Yukaze at 2,000 yards
DD Shiokaze engages DD McCall at 2,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Yugiri at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CL Natori engages CL Leander at 7,000 yards
DD Shiokaze engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 7,000 yards
DD Tatsukaze engages DD Warramunga at 7,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages DD McCall at 7,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD McCalla at 7,000 yards
DD Yugiri engages DD McCall at 7,000 yards
DD Sagiri engages DD McCalla at 7,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages CL Leander at 7,000 yards
DD Yugiri engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 7,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages DD Warramunga at 7,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD McCall at 7,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Yugiri at 7,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Sagiri at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages DD Warramunga at 11,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Yugiri at 11,000 yards
DD Warramunga engages DD Yukaze at 11,000 yards
DD McCall engages DD Shiokaze at 11,000 yards
DD Yugiri engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 11,000 yards
DD McCall engages DD Sagiri at 11,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Naval Battle near Darwin

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Post #: 2002

RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/8/2011 5:44:15 PM

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Some intel:

A recent recon report from Pearl - major enemy activity!

The KB is now reinforced and consists of 9 fleet and 4 light carriers.
Another Unryu arrives in 45 days while the Shinano arrives in 3 months.

Was looking at possible destroyer leaders; the Oyodo is definetly not one without tower armor

Guess the job has to go to the older Nagara cruisers and the newer Agano class.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/10/2011 1:42:52 PM

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I really think you are making a mistake. You need to be closer to your lines of communication. Fighting a big battle in the middle of the central pacific in late 43 as Japan is really reckless.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/10/2011 2:46:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

I really think you are making a mistake. You need to be closer to your lines of communication. Fighting a big battle in the middle of the central pacific in late 43 as Japan is really reckless.

John Reckless Leknes -- it has a good sound to it.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/10/2011 3:11:19 PM

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I really think you are making a mistake. You need to be closer to your lines of communication. Fighting a big battle in the middle of the central pacific in late 43 as Japan is really reckless.

This is true - on principle. But you have to consider the mentality of AndyMac. After reading both AAR Andy remembers me on the british FM Montgomery and so this move can pay dividends.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/10/2011 3:40:43 PM

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I would opt for a battle even at an non perfect location. The time when it happens is important. It is September 43, right now you just face hellcats but in 1-2 months Andy would be able to put quite a lot of corsairs on his carriers. And corsairs are quite a bit stronger than hellcats.

Unlike in WITP F6F are just marginal better than the A6M5 so a fight is not automatically lost. The F4U-1 is a little different story. They are not unkillable super protection but they will shift the odds a little bit more against you. You did quite a job in this AAR and i am really impresses how long japan can dominate if they win a carrier clash and the opponent is at least sometimes a little careless. As far as i remember until the end of the year the allied get 1more CV and 3 CVL. At the begin of 44 they will get 3 or 4 CV until mid March.

And that is the point where the allied carrier force gets very strong, even with your won clash. And from that point on KB gets a little bit obsolete so fight with it as long as you have carrier parity. And if Andy does not move his carriers in a favorable position for you until first quarter of 44 KB will be much weaker than now.

Use it or lose it ... :)

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/10/2011 4:04:12 PM

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Putting Corsairs on carriers is far easier said than done. You get 75 of them per month and if you equip your carriers with them, you won�t have them for your Marine squadrons. Other than the British carriers, none of my carriers field Corsairs and I�m in 5/44 already. The Hellcat works just fine for me as in two out of three cases my carrier squadrons have to fight as Cap and they work very well against everything the Japanese got at this stage. If you field more than 1000 fighters on your carriers the Hellcats work just fine.

And don�t only think about CV/CVL, also keep the three dozen CVE in mind. The CVE alone carry more Hellcats than the Japanese got carrier based Zekes. The only advantage of the Japanese I still see in 44 is the fact that they can launch from 8 hexes range while the Allied are stuck with 7. Up to 44 I also saw their torpedo bombers as a big advantage.

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RE: RAIDERS!! - 2/10/2011 4:26:10 PM

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Hmm, any time I see "After reading Both AAR", I get a little nervous about OpSec. As an avid AAR reader I might be a little jumpy though.

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RE: Plane production snapshot - 2/10/2011 9:58:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

The naval attack routine will sometimes choose bombs over torps if the targets are considered "low value", regardless of the settings.

I would say it was "not enough torpedoes at HQ" case, but PM strike was even bigger, and had full torpedo complement. Anyway, If HQ is set to 40, there seems to be too much planes for this number.

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My big challenge is that I really need to divide a division into 10 sub units (430 / 10 = 43 AV would have been perfect).
Don't have enough small sized LCUs to garrison the myriad of important bases in Malaya, Philippines etc. Anyone have a good receipt for how I can divide a large LCU
into equal smaller units?

10 identical cargo ships should get equal amount of troops.

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ORIGINAL: aprezto

At least he's escorting them now.

That depends of definition of word "escorting". There is probably 200 combat ships at PH, and most of them, I am guessing, do not have maxed out experience (especially night). There should be enough ships in convoys to sink even large raider group, but seems they are just sitting in port.

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