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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/16/2011 10:32:15 PM   
SqzMyLemon


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I have a question for you. Considering Darwin fell in early Aug. 43 and Andy has invaded the Timor line within a month and a half and from Perth no less, how important to you think holding Northern Australia was? Was it worth the effort or would simply isolating Darwin achieve the same results? If you hadn't held Northern Australia through August 1943 how do you see the strategic situation having developed? Do you think it delayed the invasion until now or would Andy have attacked much sooner if Northern Australia had been his. The fact that the Allies launched their assault based from Perth, does that make holding Darwin and area moot, or is holding it mainly to deny bases being built up for 4E's? I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you think the Allies would have invaded any sooner had you never held Northern Australia?

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/16/2011 10:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's a question you may have to send to Andy Lemon!
I think Andy has planned this operations for quite some time and just accelerated it when he saw that I was pulling out of Northern Oz.
- His main plan may have been to trap my forces in Northern Oz by a coupe de main in the DEI instead.

I definetly think it's worth holding on to Northern Oz well into 43; this is a bastion against Allied invasion of the DEI.
It's a balancing act really; do you want to risk getting an army trapped in Northern Oz and do you still have enough resources to plan a decent defence ofthe DEI?

Relatively quiet turn; Andy sent most of his ac at Waingapoe on sweeps..against a closed base.
We swept Waingapoe and downed quite a few Hellcats.

I've also initiated an operation to reclaim the little island of Lomblen before it can be built and become yet another thorn in our side.
Such small ulcers must be dealt with asap!

Andy on the other hand used his carriers to squash the defenders of Derby and the place fell easily.
We now only hold Broome and Nookanbah, a small town south of Derby we reclaimed today with our isolated tank regiment.
- A continued delaying action in other word.

A sub observed a tanker convoy coming up the coast from Perth, looks like a major replenishment is scheduled.
With our growing regional strength I hope to pacify Waingapoe and make it absolutely suicide for the Allies to return.
I can't see how we can fail if we place the KB behind a 1000 LBA, a sub screen, mines and surface combat units.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 24, 43

Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Lomblen
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

25 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
E W-33
AK Kinka Maru

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

E W-33 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Lomblen
TF 79 troops unloading over beach at Lomblen, 68,113

Japanese ground losses:
152 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (0 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
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Invasion Support action off Lomblen
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
E W-33
AK Kinka Maru

E W-33 fired at enemy troops
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Surface Combat

Day Time Surface Combat, near Lomblen at 68,113, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Karii
E W-27

Allied Ships
PT-234, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-235, Shell hits 1
PT-236
PT-237
PT-238, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-239
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Waingapoe , at 63,113
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Endeh , at 65,113
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 12

No Japanese losses
No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 25000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Waingapoe , at 63,113
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 32

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 1st Australian Para Battalion, at 68,113 (Lomblen)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 24
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 102nd Combat Engr Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking 1st Australian Para Bn /2 ...
Also attacking 102nd Combat Engr Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking 1st Australian Para Bn /2 ...
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Lomblen at 69,112
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-239
PT-235
PT-237

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on II./4th Infantry Battalion, at 64,127 (Derby)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 63
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 57
SBD-3 Dauntless x 44
SBD-5 Dauntless x 65
TBF-1 Avenger x 129

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 5 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
692 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 12th Garrison Unit , at 64,127 (Derby)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 26
TBF-1 Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on Endeh , at 65,113
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 3
B-17F Fortress x 5
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 9
B-25D1 Mitchell x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 43
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Morning Air attack on Endeh , at 65,113
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 18
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Morning Air attack on Endeh , at 65,113
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lomblen at 69,112
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-235
PT-237

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Nookanbah (66,130)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 306 troops, 0 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 29
Defending force 204 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 27
Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Nookanbah !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
3rd RAN Base Force /1
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Ground combat at Derby (64,127)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3717 troops, 16 guns, 431 vehicles, Assault Value = 242
Defending force 642 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 50
Japanese adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 25 to 1 (fort level 2)
Allied forces CAPTURE Derby !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
415 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
4th Armoured Brigade
10th Light Horse Battalion

Defending units:
II./4th Infantry Battalion
12th Garrison Unit /1
21st JAAF AF Bn /1
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Ground combat at Lomblen (68,113)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 193 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 47
Defending force 1222 troops, 15 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 36

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
102nd Combat Engr Rgt /1
Americal Infantry Div /1
1st Australian Para Bn /2
810th EAB /1
872/873rd EAB /1
3rd USN Naval Const Rgt /1

Defending units:
Maizuru 1st SNLF /2
4th Raiding Rgt /5
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The Battles Continue....




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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 12:40:05 AM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		What is the pilot quality of your Tojo's?? They seem to do very well on their sweeps.

Have you got BFs along with Emily/Mavis operating out of Cocos Island and/or Christmas Island (IO)?? Don't want to see things come out of the morning mist in this area at a later date.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 12:55:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		How is the area around Makassar ? There are quite a lot of lvl 9 bases. Have you developed them and how is the aviation support there ?

Do not forget to fortify Timor. There are some lvl 9 bases there which can ruin your day if the enemy takes them. Not to the max but at least a defense force which can defend against one or two divisions.

You can and should rely heavy on your surface assets. Do not waste them but two bases can quite easy be closed with naval assets alone. Even if the enemy can and will repair them very quickly you will kill planes on the ground so it is very costly to operate planes from there.

In addition i am quite impressed about your air to air ratio of your sweeps. Escorts fail against cap as always but your sweeps are powerful against the Hellcat. Use them as much as possible. You already killed almost 2 months of plane production and by now the replenishment carriers should be empty. Do not forget for your planing that some of the carriers already arrived with their Hellcats on board so i do not think that the pool is already complete empty but if you can keep that ratio of attrition it will hurt. In addition next month the F4U-1 will arrive at 71 per month.

From my point of view you have to fight now, and if possible recapture the lost bases. You can expect the enemy to put quite a lot of stuff into this area of operation and it is the most threatening area. If you lose some bases in the line islands, who cares as it is a very very long way back to the homelands. But here in the SRA the enemy is very close to your lifeline. Give him a lvl 9 base which is not suppressed and you have a problem.

As an additional question, as his carriers are close to norther OZ what about the remaining TFs in the area ? Are there just PTs or is there something worth to strike with KB. I do not think that Andy already expects KB in the area so it is questionable if you need to keep it hidden any more.

Overall quite a nice battle

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 1:40:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		am i missing something here the allied carriers are sitting in range of all LBA and KB but dont engage, instead wait for him too capture more bases?

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 3:50:44 AM   
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I'll just add this comment in passing as you may already know about it. You can click on an existing LCU and under the Unit Organization if there are future reinforcements that all parts belong to, you can start prepping the future reinforcements for it. Click on the future reinforcement and change what it is prepping for. It may help your in-depth planning.

Thanks for this tip!

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 8:05:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PsB

am i missing something here the allied carriers are sitting in range of all LBA and KB but dont engage, instead wait for him too capture more bases?



who is this guy? Is this an attempt to be funny and I´m missing the point? Perhaps a pm to a mod can help here.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 8:07:43 AM   
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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 8:08:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I'll just add this comment in passing as you may already know about it. You can click on an existing LCU and under the Unit Organization if there are future reinforcements that all parts belong to, you can start prepping the future reinforcements for it. Click on the future reinforcement and change what it is prepping for. It may help your in-depth planning.

Thanks for this tip!


+1, did not know this either.

Also, as we are in process of giving people their due, a big THANKS to PzB for sharing all of this with us, especially those of us who are waiting for turns in their own games- whenever the battle between Andy Mac and him gets heated up, I can't wait to see another turn being published in this thread.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 9:42:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		i havd to agree giant here. your tojo fighters preform very well against his hellcats.

this air attacks with navy dive-and torpedobombers...i realy dont get it. why andy wastes his carrier sorties for attacks that can be made also via LBA?

best thing would be when his carriers have to retreat to perth for resupply and are out of action for at least a week so you can go in and close Waingapoe once and forever with your battleships so when his carriers come back with transport TFs they have to deal with KB and LBA without own LBA support.


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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 10:38:24 AM   
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i... so you can go in and close Waingapoe once and forever with your battleships ....



I'm not sure this can be done. If Andy has +1000 Engr/+200 Engr Vehicles there, as he easily could, they can repair even 99/99/99 damage frightfully quick. as witpqs wrote above, at this point the allies can build up bases with their engr armada from jungle to mega-field in just a few weeks.

Close it? Yes, but only for a few days at best. Just my opinion.



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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 10:39:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I might not have time for regular comments here, but if anything, I'm for aggressive containment in this scenario as well. Even if completely overrunning the Allied bridgehead will prove to be impossible, passive defence is a losing game. Allies must be forced into using their main fleet to keep Waingapoe's SLOCs open as long as possible, as this will automatically prevent exploitation. An opportunity for a combined carrier-LBA hit on said fleet might also present itself.


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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 11:04:53 AM   
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I'm not sure this can be done. If Andy has +1000 Engr/+200 Engr Vehicles there, as he easily could, they can repair even 99/99/99 damage frightfully quick. as witpqs wrote above, at this point the allies can build up bases with their engr armada from jungle to mega-field in just a few weeks.

Close it? Yes, but only for a few days at best. Just my opinion.


Scary that you might be right, but fortunately there is as always a chance... And I think in this case PzBs careful preservation of forces and quality in combination with the strategic advantages (recon, interior lines, build-up bases etc) be enough to contain and perhaps even throw Andy back one more time. I bet on PzB in this case.

If PzB would not aggressively counter this move, and fall back under the logic that it cannot be retaken or isolated, then it would be time for surrender. Because also Andy's next hop into the SRA and DEI would be facing the same problem, and an even worse overall situation. So it is now or never...

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 11:11:31 AM   
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... And I think in this case PzBs careful preservation of forces and quality in combination with the strategic advantages (recon, interior lines, build-up bases etc) be enough to contain and perhaps even throw Andy back one more time. I bet on PzB in this case.

If PzB would not aggressively counter this move, and fall back under the logic that it cannot be retaken or isolated, then it would be time for surrender. Because also Andy's next hop into the SRA and DEI would be facing the same problem, and an even worse overall situation. So it is now or never...


I am of this opinion as well.

Can't wait to see the outcome. If anyone can pull this off, it will be PzB and I can't wait to see how he does it!!!


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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 5:43:12 PM   
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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 6:56:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
I'm not sure this can be done. If Andy has +1000 Engr/+200 Engr Vehicles there, as he easily could, they can repair even 99/99/99 damage frightfully quick. as witpqs wrote above, at this point the allies can build up bases with their engr armada from jungle to mega-field in just a few weeks.

Close it? Yes, but only for a few days at best. Just my opinion.


Scary that you might be right, but fortunately there is as always a chance... And I think in this case PzBs careful preservation of forces and quality in combination with the strategic advantages (recon, interior lines, build-up bases etc) be enough to contain and perhaps even throw Andy back one more time. I bet on PzB in this case.

If PzB would not aggressively counter this move, and fall back under the logic that it cannot be retaken or isolated, then it would be time for surrender. Because also Andy's next hop into the SRA and DEI would be facing the same problem, and an even worse overall situation. So it is now or never...



If he can do it long enough to get massive surface bombardment in, he can probably disable/destroy enough engineers to have a chance to do it again, damaging more engineers. They are really his main target.


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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 7:12:26 PM   
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No use in having scores of engineer units if you can't fill 'em up!

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 7:36:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe he's got more engineers than he'll even know what to do with - its one thing the allies don't seem to ever lack.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 7:43:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		With Japan once the perimeter is breached the perimeter falls.

Andy appears to have mounted a rather sloppy operation BUT he is ashore. Unless the base can be immediately retaken ( not by an over the beach amphibious assault but by suppression by airpower and naval gunfire before multiple divisions march overland into it and retake it ) then the SRA perimeter is breached.

The saving grace here is that Andy has done a short hook just north of Timor instead of landing in Java or Sumatra proper - which would have been significantly more difficult to contain.

So, PzB has a chance if he fully commits but this chance is only being given him by Andy being sloppy. This is a major strategic tipping point with very real dangers of rapid deterioration of PzBs situation... He's lucky that Andy is Monty-ish and too methodical to fully take advantage of the current destabilisation of the front by running concommittant operations.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 8:12:31 PM   
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I believe he's got more engineers than he'll even know what to do with - its one thing the allies don't seem to ever lack.


True, but they aren't all at W.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 10:07:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thx Erik; PsB must have gotten too little attention from his mother!

Wouldn't be so quick to judge Andy's dispositions; you should read his side of the story.
There's no way he knew what to expect; as I see it the lack of recon and support from Northern Oz were the biggest weaknesses.
Pretty sure he wanted a coupe de maine before we got to strong in this region.

Even a mediocre battle of attrition will favor the Allies; with all the reinforcements he is receiving he may be winning despite of loosing
some battles. We still don't have a choice as I see it - unless we react the perimeter will be swept back faster than we wish.
- The only reason I welcome a battle in last half of 43 is that it's much preferable to a battle in mid 44...

Will try to live up to the expectations guys, but don't give me to much rope

Our focus now is to distribute air support, supplies and engineers as required and then set up the strongest LBA force possible
Planning to let 250 Helens support the shuttle bombardments of Waingapo.

A large force of subs also just arrived and I can now cover most approaches to the region.
I'm really pleased with the situation right now; the perfect setting for kicking ar$se and chewing bubble gum


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 25, 43

Surface Combat

A series of surface battles between light forces.
We loose 2 destroyers, 2 more are damaged, a sub and our larget CM sinks together with an empty barge convoy.
In return we sink 2 enemy destroyers and heavily damage another.

The Flectchers are tough customers!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Roti at 66,115, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yugiri, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Uruyuke

Allied Ships
DD Saufley, Shell hits 4
DD Waller, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Memboro at 64,112, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Japanese Ships
CM Tsugaru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Jenkins
DD LaVallette, Shell hits 1
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Memboro at 63,112, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Oboro
DD Tatsuyuke, Shell hits 2
DD Tadeyame

Allied Ships
DD Jenkins
DD LaVallette
Day Time Surface Combat, near Endeh at 65,113, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
LB-202, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LB-203, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-204, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LB-205, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-206, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-207, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-208, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-209, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-210, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-211, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-212, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-213, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Sawoe-eilanden at 64,116, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Shirakumo
DD Yugiri
DD Uruyuke

Allied Ships
DD Saufley, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Sawoe-eilanden at 64,115, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yugiri, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Uruyuke

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas, Shell hits 1
DD O'Bannon
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Bombardments

Not taking any chances; the big boys hit Lombled!

Night Naval bombardment of Lomblen at 68,113

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
CA Ashigara
CA Takao
CL Ninaru
CL Yubari
DD Tagonami
DD Mikazuki
DD Uzuki
DD Akebono
DD Ayanami
DD Shirayuki

Allied Ships
PT-236, Shell hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
161 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 21 disabled

Port hits 25
Port supply hits 11

E8N2 Dave acting as spotter for BB Haruna
BB Haruna firing at Lomblen
BB Kongo firing at Lomblen
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for CA Ashigara
CA Ashigara firing at Americal Infantry Division
CA Takao firing at Americal Infantry Division
CL Ninaru firing at Americal Infantry Division
CL Yubari firing at Americal Infantry Division
DD Tagonami firing at Lomblen
DD Mikazuki firing at Lomblen
DD Uzuki firing at Lomblen
DD Akebono firing at Lomblen
DD Ayanami firing at 102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
DD Shirayuki firing at Lomblen
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Sub Attacks

A sub is lost but another one sinks a destroyer in return.

Submarine attack near Derby at 62,123

Japanese Ships
SS I-38, hits 22, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Richmond
DD Meade
DD Aaron Ward
DD Endicott
DD Doyle
DD Carmick
DD Baldwin

SS I-38 is sighted by escort
DD Endicott fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Doyle attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-38 forced to surface!
DD Doyle firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Carmick firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Baldwin firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Endicott firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Doyle firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Carmick firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Baldwin firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Endicott firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Carmick firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Baldwin firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Endicott firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Doyle firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Carmick firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Baldwin firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Endicott firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Doyle firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Carmick firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Baldwin firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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ASW attack near Port Hedland at 59,126

Japanese Ships
SS I-29

Allied Ships
DD Buchanan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Richmond
DD Meade
DD Aaron Ward
DD Endicott
DD Doyle
DD Carmick
DD Baldwin
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Air Combat

Dispersed battles as enemy fighters perform sweep and smaller formations of ground attack and 4Es
attack our bases with limited effect. Our sweeps continue to dig into the enemy CAP.

In the South Pacific a convoy is sighted heading for Luganville; a heavy T-bolt escort shoot down our long
range escorts and 2 Nells. The attack plane can't hit the agile destroyers they so unwisely chose as targets.

I also ordered most of our bombers to hit Lomblen and paras to assist the SNLF unit in its assault

Morning Air attack on Waingapoe , at 63,113
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 2
P-38F Lightning x 8
P-38H Lightning x 8
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 36
F4U-1 Corsair x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 1st Australian Para Battalion, at 68,113 (Lomblen)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 1st Australian Para Battalion, at 68,113 (Lomblen)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 41
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 10 damaged

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
41 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Americal Infantry Division, at 68,113 (Lomblen)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 18
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 1000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Australian Para Bn /2 ...
Also attacking Americal Infantry Div /1 ...
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Morning Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 18
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-237, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-235, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-239, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Port hits 8
Port supply hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on II./4th Infantry Battalion, at 63,127
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 33
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 26
TBF-1 Avenger x 5

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 21st JAAF AF Bn , at 63,127
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 23
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 39
TBF-1 Avenger x 41

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (9 destroyed, 6 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on Memboro , at 63,112
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 22
N1K1 Rex x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 21

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 1
P-38F Lightning x 3
P-38H Lightning x 3
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 30
F4U-1 Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Memboro , at 63,112
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 21
N1K1 Rex x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 14
B-24D1 Liberator x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged

Runway hits 4
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Morning Air attack on Memboro , at 63,112
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9
N1K1 Rex x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Memboro , at 63,112
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 7
N1K1 Rex x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bombs
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Morning Air attack on Memboro , at 63,112
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3
N1K1 Rex x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 2

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 4
P-38H Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 25000 feet
3 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 25000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Waingapoe , at 63,113
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 22

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 2
P-38F Lightning x 6
P-38H Lightning x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 22
F4U-1 Corsair x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Memboro , at 63,112
Morning Air attack on Waingapoe , at 63,113
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61-Ib Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 2
P-38F Lightning x 3
P-38H Lightning x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-Ib Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lakatoro at 119,152
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-IIIb Dinah x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-IIIb Dinah: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lakatoro at 119,152
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 8

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Thanet
DD Gwin

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on Americal Infantry Division, at 68,113 (Lomblen)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
B6N1 Jill x 22
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Ground Combat

We wipie out Lomblen; this feels great - really had to get rid of this asap.
Now we can turn our full attention to Waingapo.

The Tanaka Detachment was expelled from Waingapo with losses and an enemy armored bde pursued it.
The Bde alone can't threaten our 250 AV garrison with 4 forts alone; if we can land enough reinforcements
within 3-4 days we have a chance of defeating this strong unit separately.

Ground combat at Lomblen (68,113)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1233 troops, 15 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 67
Defending force 796 troops, 10 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 35

Japanese adjusted assault: 17
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Lomblen !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
893 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 83 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 5

Assaulting units:
Maizuru 1st SNLF
4th Raiding Rgt /5

Defending units:
Americal Infantry Div /1
102nd Combat Engr Rgt /1
810th EAB /1
872/873rd EAB /1
3rd USN Naval Const Rgt /1
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Ground combat at Waingapoe (63,113)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16309 troops, 366 guns, 81 vehicles, Assault Value = 1152
Defending force 2643 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 85

Allied adjusted assault: 1231

Japanese adjusted defense: 85
Allied assault odds: 14 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1400 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
339 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Units pursuing 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
73rd Motorised Brigade
7th Australian Division
33rd Infantry Division
7th Infantry Division
3rd USN Naval Construction Regiment
XIV US Corps
36th Aviation Base Force
872/873rd Engineer Aviation Battalion
9 Group RAAF /1

Defending units:
Kimura Det
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In the Balance

As you can see there are _not_ alot of engineers at Waingapoe.
Let them try to clean up the mess as 7 battleships and 5 heavy cruisers start shuttle bombardment runs
from Soerabaja




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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 10:20:17 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		This may be of some interest; in July last year I posted this regarding the building of mutually supporting defensive grid in the DEI:

Jap engineers need a lot of time to build bases, so construction work on the Prosperity Line has started!
To begin with 1 Eng or construction unit is put in place, then I add a naval garrion and base force and eventually and Air HQ.
In this case a range 5 Air HQ at Endeh will be perfecto. When it is time for mining I find an ACM, disband it in port and let the minelayers drop their eggs.
- All in all an expensive and time consuming process.




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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 10:32:16 PM   
Cribtop


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Status: offline 		How far along with this plan have you gotten since Oct '42? What size and aviation support levels are at each of the bases in this hub? How many bases are "torpedo enabled?"

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 10:51:31 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		I would say 70% completed and manned:
Makassar is a size 7 (and building AF) - goal is to reach size 9. A large garrison and reserve troops present plus a large Air Fleet with a range of 5 to provide "torpedoes" to surrounding bases.
Kendari is size 6 - well garrisoned but only 50 air support. Working to expand this.
The island 2 hexes south of Makassar is now size 6 and 200 air support. Just brought in a larger garrison.
Koepang holds approx 1.5 divisions, 5 forts and air support (moving out some as I expect this place to be closed)
The other bases on Timor including Roti have not been expanded; only built strong forts and garrisons of regimental size.

The Flores - Soemba islands have 5 bases as seen on the picture.
All bases have plenty supplies, 4-5 forts and garrisons of regimental size. Endeh was the main base with a major Air Fleet with a range of 5 to provide "torpedoes" to all bases not supported from Makassar.
I had still not achieved the level of air support I wanted in this area so I have air lifted and distributed available support to make all bases operational.

Outside of the picture the entire region between Ambon and New Guinea has been built up, garrisoned and fortified with decent air fleet support.
Java is also heavily fortified; it held the equivalent of 4-5 divisions of troops including 2 full sized armored divisions. Soerabaja is a size 9 af; just this turn I managed to bring in 250 AS.
With 250k units of fuel and large forts this is the left shoulder of the SRA regional defensive zone - the right shoulder is Ambon / Northern NG.

What also greatly aided my was the buildup of fuel and supply reserves; all islands had at least 20k supplies and Makassar had been made into a fuel depot with 80k supplies.

It was quite fortunate that Andy stuck his spearhead straight into the heart of our prepared defenses; there are several layers of islands and Waingapoe is a "first line" defensive base - it's quite impossible for Allied ships to move past the tangled and often mined straits that lead to the inner zone.

What remained of work was to also fortify and garrison the islands up to Java; 2 of the largest islands have not been fortified with one a size 3 AF and air support.
These bases are well protected by the size 9 AF complex in Soerabaja so I didn't expect anyone to make this spot their first priority.

So advice is; start building your defenses when the going is good in 42


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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/17/2011 11:02:02 PM   
inqistor


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Thx Erik; PsB must have gotten too little attention from his mother!


That "JFB worst nightmare" remind me cite from something. Either your last WITP game with Andy, or this AAR, where Allies landed at Timor in late 1942.

quote:

Even a mediocre battle of attrition will favor the Allies; with all the reinforcements he is receiving he may be winning despite of loosing
some battles.


Actually, with some effort Japan still can win short-term attrition war. Allies increase fighter production in 3/44 to 840+, actually only at 10/44 Allied production really kick in. Japan should be able to outproduce them, until then.

quote:

Planning to let 250 Helens support the shuttle bombardments of Waingapo.


3 days ago, 55 bombers scored 14 hits on ships at Waingapoe. Against airfield they should double, or triple number of hits
Send 100 bombers, and you will close it in one go. Have you got any Light Bombers unit left? It could be staged in nearby lvl2 airfield, and bombard Waingapoe constantly.

quote:

I'm really pleased with the situation right now; the perfect setting for kicking ar$se and chewing bubble gum


DUUUKEEE! So, when it come out? In May?

quote:

Dispersed battles as enemy fighters perform sweep and smaller formations of ground attack and 4Es
attack our bases with limited effect. Our sweeps continue to dig into the enemy CAP.


How many land radar sets have you got in the area? Raids seems not detected earlier.

quote:

We wipie out Lomblen; this feels great - really had to get rid of this asap.
Now we can turn our full attention to Waingapo.


Do not forget to mine approaches. Also some artillery would be useful at Waingapoe, to win bombardment engagements.

quote:

As you can see there are _not_ alot of engineers at Waingapoe.
Let them try to clean up the mess as 7 battleships and 5 heavy cruisers start shuttle bombardment runs
from Soerabaja


At Lomblen you disabled 29 engineers in one go. In two weeks, there should be no active engineers at Waingapoe.
Also, where are land based anti-ship planes? You should be able to field 200 easily. Another large unit arrives at 5th October.

quote:

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

What exactly is the allied engineer replacement rate?


I made a calculations about Allied shortages some time ago, in this topic. IIRC STANDARD engineers are in 600 per month, but COMBAT only 28, so eliminating them, will really hurt Allies long-term.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/18/2011 10:41:59 AM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Not sure - haven't checked and I'm afraid AE takes up so much time that Duke have to shoot it out on his own this time!

Hm, bombarding a rough jungle hex can be demanding as this turn show; need good weather to hit anything.
Let's make a few tests before making any conclusions.

Lots of attrition all over the line, could really need the Frank now!
Next turn a Zero unit that can be upgraded to the George arrives, that's something...

Not sure, have to look over the base forces to count radar sets.
Unfortunately our large minelayer were just sunk! Mine supplies are dwindling small I'm afraid.
- Got some local coasters that can be used though.

This is the combat report but I have not finished the turn yet - will be away until tomorrow night so a short break.

In Burma I noticed a major Allied buildup of fighters at Akyab; I think Andy wanted to sweep Rangoon.
So instead of being sitting ducks I ordered an all out sweep.

Results were mixed; the first 3 units that went in were outnumbered and outfought by the CAP.
When a huge combined sweep (240 fighters) went in things went better. Results were still 1-2. Think I will let Andy try the next sweep
and see how our 500 fighters at Rangoon handle themselves.

Our LBA also sank 2 loaded fuel AKs near Torres Straight.
A large number of experienced Netties and Betties also attacked the Luganville invasion force.
Must have been the weather cause they couldn't hit a thing...one torp hit and that was a dud


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 26, 43

Surface Combat

Day Time Surface Combat, near Endeh at 64,113, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta
DD Shimakaze
DD Arikaze
DD Takakaze
DD Satsukaze
DD Susukaze
DD Ishikaze

Allied Ships
PT-112
PT-113
PT-114
PT-129
PT-130, Shell hits 1
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Waingapoe at 63,113, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta
DD Shimakaze
DD Arikaze
DD Takakaze
DD Satsukaze
DD Susukaze
DD Ishikaze

Allied Ships
PT-112
PT-113, Shell hits 1
PT-114
PT-129
PT-130
PT-131, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
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Sub Attacks

Not a fatal hit fortunately; this is a goodie convoy loaded with supplies and support units
including 4 Naval construction units, 2 Base force units and 3 AT units.

Sub attack near Balikpapan at 65,99

Japanese Ships
xAK Syoan Maru, Torpedo hits 1
SC Ch 47
SC Ch 27
xAK Kohoku Maru
xAK Eiko Maru #2
xAK Teihoku Maru
xAK Seia Maru
xAK Keiyo Maru
xAK Kamogawa Maru
xAK Kazuura Maru
xAK Akiura Maru
PB Yodozo Maru
PB Toyotu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Kingfish

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Kingfish launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Syoan Maru
Kingfish diving deep ....
PB Yodozo Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Toyotu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Toyotu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Toyotu Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Toyotu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Toyotu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Bombardments

Our bombardment was lame as the ships targetted LCUs instead of airfields and port.
Will try again in more force.

Night Naval bombardment of Waingapoe at 63,113

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Nagato
CA Aoba
CA Atago
DD Hatakaze
DD Amagiri
DD Usugumo
DD Urakaze

Allied ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

E8N2 Dave acting as spotter for BB Ise
BB Ise firing at 33rd Infantry Division
BB Nagato firing at 33rd Infantry Division
CA Aoba firing at 33rd Infantry Division
CA Atago firing at 33rd Infantry Division
DD Hatakaze firing at Waingapoe
DD Amagiri firing at 7th Infantry Division
DD Usugumo firing at 33rd Infantry Division
DD Urakaze firing at 33rd Infantry Division
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,129
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 7

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Trade Wind, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on 15th Garrison Unit , at 63,112 (Memboro)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
N1K1 Rex x 2
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 2
Ki-61-Ib Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 1
B-25C Mitchell x 9
B-25D1 Mitchell x 21
P-38F Lightning x 3
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 13
F4U-1 Corsair x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Also attacking 52nd JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 4th Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 ...
Also attacking 15th Naval Construction Battalion ...
Also attacking 15th Garrison Unit ...
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,129
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Santa Isabel, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Waingapoe , at 63,113
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 34

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 1
P-38F Lightning x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 29
F4U-1 Corsair x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
P-39N1 Airacobra x 75
P-40N1 Warhawk x 25
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39N1 Airacobra: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
P-39N1 Airacobra x 47
P-40N1 Warhawk x 19
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,129
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK General Fleisher

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 36
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 36
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 84
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 93

Allied aircraft
P-39N1 Airacobra x 31
P-40N1 Warhawk x 13
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39N1 Airacobra: 4 destroyed
P-40N1 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
24 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
25 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
20 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
34 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
25 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 30000 feet
25 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 30000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lakatoro at 119,151
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 21
G4M1 Betty x 33

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 9 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP West Point
DD Gansevoort
DD Nestor
DD Gwin
xAK Somelsdijk
DD Thanet
DE Arrow
xAK Sawokla

Aircraft Attacking:
33 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
20 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
15th FG/47th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes

West Point dead in the water ...
Nestor dead in the water ...
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Ground Combat

Andy rolled the dice and tried a shock attack at Memboro with his Motorized Bde..and virtually
nuked it. A very good result for us as this unit is probably much stronger in defense than attack in the jungle.
- We're now in the process of unloading 3 fresh divisions at Memboro..may take a while with a size 1 port.

Ground combat at Memboro (63,112)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2411 troops, 64 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 141
Defending force 9516 troops, 132 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 261

Allied adjusted assault: 6

Japanese adjusted defense: 619
Allied assault odds: 1 to 103 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
865 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Vehicles lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Assaulting units:
73rd Motorised Brigade

Defending units:
4th Ind.Mixed Rgt /1
15th Garrison Unit
Kimura Det
11th Garrison Unit /1
25th Air Flotilla
6th JNAF Coy
20th AA Regiment
15th Naval Construction Battalion
52nd JNAF AF Unit
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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/18/2011 11:20:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hope you´ve got enough nav support at Memboro (or you´ve brought it with the divs) because even with amphib load you won´t be able to unload the heavy equipment at a port size 1. I have never understood this because you are able to unload if you invade but you aren´t if you own the port.

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/18/2011 11:29:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		3 of 4 TFs are amphibious; the transport tf will return with its heavy weapons and return with them in amph mode later!
Key now is to get critical mass ashore and a) destroy the Motor Bde b) become strong enough to resist any Allied attack

When this has been achieved we will consider how to destroy the remaining enemy units

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/18/2011 11:29:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a question of how it's packed. I believe transport TFs pack stuff in more tightly and so can carry more than amphibsious TFs

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RE: Enemy carriers near SRA! - 2/18/2011 12:17:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

3 of 4 TFs are amphibious; the transport tf will return with its heavy weapons and return with them in amph mode later!
Key now is to get critical mass ashore and a) destroy the Motor Bde b) become strong enough to resist any Allied attack

When this has been achieved we will consider how to destroy the remaining enemy units



even amphib TFs fail to unload heavy equipment at friendly level 1 ports if there isn´t enough nav support at the base (you can unload everything WITHOUT any nav support when you invade though - that´s what I´m wondering about). Don´t know the load costs for the Japanese but the Allied aren´t able to unload heavy stuff at a level 1 port without nav support, that´s why I´m always sending a USN base force with my troops.

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