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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 8/30/2011 12:07:54 PM   
PzB74


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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		We have a really potent Air Force; I've been keeping it intact and husbanding its fighter strength but this turn it was time to release parts of it again!
A strong CAP over Bassein combined with sweeps and bombing missions against troops in Burma and shipping at Port Moresby.

Results were quite good, we lost 20 pilots killed and 20 wounded (75 ac lost to 125 Allied).
We hit and destroyed several loaded troop transports, a light cruiser. The heavily damaged Revenge was also pummeled, guess she's been disbanded in PM harbour...hm.

Enemy ground attack against Bassein could not be stopped, heaviest raid caused 800+ casualties and our brigade lost 40 of 140 combat squads. Insane...Bassein is a town! for gawds sake, not an open killing field.

Looks like lots of enemy armor is pooring down towards Bassein, this is ok - if they enter with our main force in Rangoon we'll destroy them!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 24, 44

Sub Attacks

This was a nice one, fleet oilers is prime targets!

Sub attack near Eiao at 192,165

Japanese Ships
SS RO-66, hits 4

Allied Ships
AO Ramapo, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AO Kanawha
APD Overton
SC PC-1088

SS RO-66 launches 4 torpedoes at AO Ramapo
SC PC-1088 attacking submerged sub ....
SC PC-1088 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC PC-1088 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC PC-1088 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC PC-1088 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 5
P-38J Lightning x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x J2M2 Jack sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick sweeping at 15000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 4th Marine Regiment, at 54,51 , near Bassein
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 33

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 7
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 2 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 33

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 4
P-38J Lightning x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 20

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 6
N1K1-J George x 28
Ki-84a Frank x 97

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 5
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 88

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 3
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 78

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 62

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 4 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 52

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 47

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Kittyhawk I sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 35

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 4 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 24
Ki-84a Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 24
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 4th Marine Regiment, at 54,51 , near Bassein
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 36

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 154 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
B6N1 Jill x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Caradoc, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Outarde, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Stronghold
APA McCawley
APA Harry Lee, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
xAK Ensley City
xAK Baron Cawdor
xAK Matthew Lyon
DE Hotspur
APA Cambria

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B6N1 Jill bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
27 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Caradoc
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Morning Air attack on 268th Motorised Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 4
N1K1-J George x 33
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Carabiniers Regiment, at 54,51 , near Bassein
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 14
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 25
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 34

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 268th Motorised Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 23
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 20
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 6 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 75th IAC Regiment ...
Also attacking 268th Motorised Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 8 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Racehorse
xAP Speelman, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
DD Anthony
xAP Siberg, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
BB Revenge, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
855 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 31 (27 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 18 (12 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 22

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 21

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 10
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 2 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 190 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 71 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on Bassein , at 54,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 225 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
Spitfire VIII x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 30000 feet
1 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on 25th Field AA Machinecannon Company, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 11

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 3
Hurricane IId Trop x 3
Hurricane IV x 15
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufighter VIc bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Hurricane IV bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Hurricane IId Trop bombing from 100 feet

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 11 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes

Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 11

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IId Trop x 13
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IId Trop: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Hurricane IId Trop bombing from 100 feet
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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 150 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 100
B-24J Liberator x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-Ia Tony: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 316
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Morning Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 62
B-25G Mitchell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
787 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 11 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes

Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 90th Infantry Regiment, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
B-25G Mitchell x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 86 minutes

Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Carabiniers Regiment, at 54,51 , near Bassein
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 26th Indian Brigade, at 55,50 (Prome)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-61-Ic Tony sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on 28th Army, at 55,52 , near Rangoon
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 12
N1K1-J George x 20

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on 28th Army, at 55,52 , near Rangoon
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 8
N1K1-J George x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on 75th IAC Regiment, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 37
Ki-84a Frank x 63

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
19 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on 75th IAC Regiment, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 63

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on 75th IAC Regiment, at 54,52 (Bassein)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 90

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
10! enemy divisions now north of Rangoon. Left a rear guard to see what was coming.
We need a good positions and numerous divisions to hold this force; Rangoon is the only place
in Burma before the Geisha line.

Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9770 troops, 150 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 4054
Defending force 1521 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 64

Allied adjusted assault: 184
Japanese adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
805 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
32nd Infantry Division
26th Indian Division
14th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
17th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
19th Indian Division
7th Indian Division
2nd British Division
5th Indian Division
IV Indian Corps
14th Army
2nd Indian AA Bde
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
IV Corps RIASC Base Force

Defending units:
7th Burma Militia Regiment
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to PzB74)
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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 8/30/2011 12:10:38 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
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Status: offline 		Today's operational report!

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Feb 24, 44

SS I-173 reports having been sighted by the enemy at 93 , 136
Troops and Equipment from 31st Ind.Mixed Bde lost during loading of TF 47
ASW Combat TF 41 resumes patrol, enroute to 51 , 85 near Tandjoengpinang
Repairs completed on E Mutsure at Tokyo, ship returned to service
No additional repairs possible on xAK Konan Maru using currently assigned resources at Shanghai
No additional repairs possible on AD Gyoko Maru using currently assigned resources at Saipan
Repairs completed on AK Sagami Maru at Singapore, ship returned to service
No additional repairs possible on PB Kanko Maru using currently assigned resources at Batavia
No additional repairs possible on xAKL Miiko Maru using currently assigned resources at Balikpapan
No additional repairs possible on xAK Neikai Maru using currently assigned resources at Balikpapan
No additional repairs possible on xAK Kinkai Maru using currently assigned resources at Manado
No additional repairs possible on AK Awazisan Maru using currently assigned resources at Manado
CS Convoy TF 75 begins loading Fuel at Fusan for delivery to Nagasaki/Sasebo
CS Convoy TF 216 begins loading Oil at Davao for delivery to Tokyo
CS Convoy TF 224 begins loading Fuel at Palembang for delivery to Singapore
CS Convoy TF 279 begins loading Resources at Hong Kong for delivery to Nagasaki/Sasebo
Task Force 257 out of fuel at 100, 132
E7K2 Alf reports conning tower at 103, 54 near Chinhae
Ki-48-IIa Lily reports periscope at 126, 44 near Shikuka
Ki-46-III Dinah reports possible submarine at 123, 44 near Toyohara
H8K2 Emily sighting report: 7 Allied ships at 102,58 near Nagasaki/Sasebo, speed 18, Moving Northwest
H8K2 Emily sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 60,104 near Kangean, speed 10, Moving Southeast
Ki-21-Ic Sally reports radio transmissions at 42, 73 near Sabang
E13A1 Jake reports diving submarine at 109, 126 near Feni Islands
TF 175 sights Allied Fighter Bomber at 54,53 near Rangoon
TF 223 detects Allied Carrier Aircraft at 96,127 near Terapo
TF 98 snooped by Allied Aircraft at 54,53 near Rangoon
TF 174 snooped by Allied Aircraft at 35,63 near Great Nicobar
PO1 Chiyoshima P. of 253 Ku S-2 is credited with kill number 2
LCDR Nikaido I. of 281 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 3
CPO Abe V. of 281 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 2
2LT Kira W. of 5th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
2LT Kira W. of 5th Sentai is credited with kill number 3
WO Mitsumoto L. of 5th Sentai is credited with kill number 4
PO1 Kawasaki E. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 4
CPO Fujita L. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 12
CDR Kusumoto J. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 9
2LT Harada C. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
2LT Hosono, I. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 3
MAJ Egashira D. of 32nd Sentai is credited with kill number 8
WO Gushi W. of 32nd Sentai is credited with kill number 3
1LT Inuzuka N. of 24th I.F.Chutai is credited with kill number 6
WO Saito H. of 64th Sentai is credited with kill number 4
CPO Fujita L. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 13
LT Ota, T. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 14
PO2 Doikawa M. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 3
2LT Nishihata R. of 24th I.F.Chutai is credited with kill number 2
CPT Iizuka I. of 24th I.F.Chutai is credited with kill number 6
LCDR Yamashita, J. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 7
LCDR Yamashita, J. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 8
PO2 Doikawa M. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 4
PO2 Hamano T. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 4
2LT Shimokawa, Y. of 50th Sentai is credited with kill number 10
CPT Yasuda, Y. of 64th Sentai is credited with kill number 11
2LT Kizuka J. of 64th Sentai is credited with kill number 6
1LT Iwashita H. of 26th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
CDR Kusumoto J. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 10
LTC Kawahara F. of 32nd Sentai is credited with kill number 2
LTC Kawahara F. of 32nd Sentai is credited with kill number 3
LT Ota, T. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 15
CPO Nagahama W. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 10
LCDR Fukada R. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 5
LCDR Fukada R. of 381 Ku S-1 attains ace status!!
PO2 Mikami W. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 5
PO2 Mikami W. of 381 Ku S-1 attains ace status!!
WO Kaguyama P. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 5
WO Kaguyama P. of 59th Sentai attains ace status!!
2LT Fujimoto A. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
2LT Ishida T. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 8
WO Koda F. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 5
WO Koda F. of 59th Sentai attains ace status!!
CPO Fujita L. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 14
PO1 Akashiba A. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 4
WO Kaguyama P. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 6
Previous report of sinking of BB Revenge incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 98, 130
COL Nango, S. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 6
WO Aino O. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 4
2LT Ginowa N. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 5
2LT Ginowa N. of 59th Sentai attains ace status!!
2LT Ginowa N. of 59th Sentai is credited with kill number 6
CPO Fujita L. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 15
LCDR Seto, M. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 9
PO2 Hamano T. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 5
PO2 Hamano T. of 381 Ku S-1 attains ace status!!
CPO Nagahama W. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 11
Allied Aircraft sighted over Toungoo
Allied Fighter Bomber sighted over Kainan Naval Base Force
Allied Aircraft sighted over 9th Tank Regiment
CPO Obayashi O. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 6
CPO Nagaishi W. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 3
PO1 Kawasaki E. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 5
PO1 Kawasaki E. of 202 Ku S-1 attains ace status!!
CPO Obayashi O. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 7
CPO Nagaishi W. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 4
Allied Fighter sighted over Toungoo
Mitchell PR.II sighted over 47th Const Co
Allied Aircraft sighted over 2nd Tank Division
A6M2 Zero from Ryuho-1 is damaged on landing
J2M2 Jack from 331 Ku S-1 at Guam grounded due to maintenance
2LT Sumino, G. of 64th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
D3A1 Val from 501 Ku K-1 is damaged on landing
Ki-84a Frank from 5th Sentai is written off
Ki-84a Frank from 77th Sentai at Pisanuloke grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 50th Sentai at Moulmein grounded due to maintenance
Ki-45 KAIa Nick from Spc.Attck.Unit is written off
J1N1-C Irving from 253 Ku T-1/A at Tagula Island grounded due to maintenance
J2M2 Jack from 261 Ku S-1 crashes on landing
LCDR Fukada R. of 381 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 6
Ki-46-III Dinah from 18th I F Chutai Det at Russell Islands grounded due to maintenance
Damaged Ki-84a Frank from 50th Sentai shot down on way home
Ki-84a Frank from 59th Sentai is damaged on landing
J1N1-C Irving from 253 Ku T-1/A is damaged on landing
Ki-84a Frank from 77th Sentai at Pisanuloke grounded due to maintenance
WO Bunkichi I. of 64th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
Damaged Ki-84a Frank from 26th Sentai crashes
Ki-49-IIa Helen from 92nd Sentai at Fanning Island grounded due to maintenance
Ki-49-IIb Helen from 60th Sentai at Pisanuloke grounded due to maintenance
Ki-49-IIb Helen from 58th Sentai is damaged on landing
N1K1-J George from 202 Ku S-1 is damaged on landing
Ki-84a Frank from 64th Sentai is damaged on landing
Ki-61-Ic Tony from 265th Sentai is damaged on landing
H6K5 Mavis from 801 Ku T-1 at Fanning Island grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 202 Ku S-1 crashes on landing
Ki-49-IIa Helen from 262nd Sentai is damaged on landing
Damaged Ki-84a Frank from 26th Sentai is missing, pilot reported killed
N1K1-J George from 281 Ku S-1 at Bangkok grounded due to maintenance
CPO Obayashi O. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 8
Ki-49-IIa Helen from 61st Sentai is written off
Ki-84a Frank from 64th Sentai at Moulmein grounded due to maintenance
Damaged Ki-84a Frank from 59th Sentai is missing
Ki-84a Frank from 26th Sentai is written off
B6N1 Jill from 551 Ku K-1 on CVE Hosho grounded due to maintenance
Damaged N1K1-J George from 381 Ku S-1 is missing
Ki-84a Frank from 32nd Sentai is written off
N1K1-J George from 301 Ku S-2 at Port Blair grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 59th Sentai is damaged on landing
Damaged Ki-84a Frank from 64th Sentai shot down on way home
J2M2 Jack from 253 Ku S-2 is written off
J2M2 Jack from 284 Ku S-1 crashes on landing
J2M2 Jack from 253 Ku S-2 at Umboi Island grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 64th Sentai at Moulmein grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 281 Ku S-1 at Bangkok grounded due to maintenance
Damaged N1K1-J George from 381 Ku S-1 shot down on way home
N1K1-J George from 381 Ku S-1 is written off
Ki-84a Frank from 26th Sentai is damaged on landing
N1K1-J George from 381 Ku S-1 is damaged on landing
Damaged N1K1-J George from 381 Ku S-1 crashes, pilot reported killed
J2M2 Jack from 261 Ku S-1 is written off
Damaged Ki-84a Frank from 59th Sentai crashes
N1K1-J George from 202 Ku S-1 is written off
Ki-84a Frank from 32nd Sentai is written off
Damaged N1K1-J George from 202 Ku S-1 does not return, pilot reported killed
N1K1-J George from 202 Ku S-1 is written off
Ki-84a Frank from 24th I.F.Chutai at Rangoon grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 202 Ku S-1 is written off
E13A1 Jake reports object under water at 134, 128 near Tarawa
Ki-48-IIa Lily sighting report: 8 Allied ships at 128,41 near Alexandrovsk, speed 12, Moving Northwest
F1M2 Pete reports submarine at 106, 58 near Hiroshima/Kure
F1M2 Pete reports shadow in water at 106, 58 near Hiroshima/Kure
E7K2 Alf sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 110,61 near Nagoya, speed 19, Moving East
E13A1 Jake reports shadow in water at 113, 63 near Hachijo-jima
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 36,69 near Sabang, speed 10, Moving Northwest
TF 100 shadowed by Allied Heavy Bomber at 54,53 near Rangoon
WO Kajinami, S. of 68th Sentai is credited with kill number 3
2LT Kobayashi P. of 68th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
1LT Hashimoto L. of 68th Sentai is credited with kill number 2
2LT Ryuzaki R. of 68th Sentai is credited with kill number 3
LT Okano L. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 8
PO2 Oda M. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 5
PO2 Oda M. of 202 Ku S-1 attains ace status!!
CPO Kurihara P. of 202 Ku S-1 is credited with kill number 4
Allied Torpedo Bomber sighted over Palmyra
Allied Torpedo Bomber sighted over Toungoo
Allied Aircraft sighted over Palmyra
Allied Aircraft sighted over Toungoo
Ki-44-IIb Tojo from 29th Sentai is damaged on landing
Ki-84a Frank from 77th Sentai at Pisanuloke grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 77th Sentai at Pisanuloke grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 341 Ku S-1 at Port Blair grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 301 Ku S-2 at Port Blair grounded due to maintenance
J2M2 Jack from 261 Ku S-1 is written off
Damaged N1K1-J George from 381 Ku S-1 is missing
J2M2 Jack from 331 Ku S-1 at Guam grounded due to maintenance
H8K2 Emily from 851 Ku T-1 at Soerabaja grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 341 Ku S-1 at Port Blair grounded due to maintenance
H6K5 Mavis from 801 Ku T-1 at Fanning Island grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 50th Sentai at Moulmein grounded due to maintenance
N1K1-J George from 254 Ku S-1 at Port Blair grounded due to maintenance
1 x H6K4-L Mavis transporting 2nd Engineer Regiment to Loewoek
6 x H8K2-L Emily transporting 148th Infantry Regiment to Wewak
9 x Ki-56 Thalia transporting 15th/C Division to Gasmata
9 x Ki-49-II KAI Helen transporting 15th/C Division to Umboi Island
9 x Ki-56 Thalia transporting 15th/C Division to Finschhafen
5 x Ki-57-I Topsy transporting supplies to 4th
5 x Ki-49-II KAI Helen transporting supplies to 4th
6 x Ki-56 Thalia transporting supplies to 4th
23 x Ki-56 Thalia transporting supplies to 4th
17 x Ki-56 Thalia transporting supplies to 4th
4 x Ki-56 Thalia transporting supplies to 4th
Ki-61-Ic Tony from 265th Sentai at Soerabaja grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 50th Sentai at Moulmein grounded due to maintenance
Ki-84a Frank from 26th Sentai is damaged on landing
Ki-84a Frank from 203rd Sentai at Saigon grounded due to maintenance
No additional repairs possible on xAK Konan Maru using currently assigned resources at Shanghai
No additional repairs possible on AD Gyoko Maru using currently assigned resources at Saipan
Repairs completed on SS I-16 at Singapore, ship returned to service
No additional repairs possible on PB Kanko Maru using currently assigned resources at Batavia
No additional repairs possible on xAKL Miiko Maru using currently assigned resources at Balikpapan
No additional repairs possible on xAK Neikai Maru using currently assigned resources at Balikpapan
No additional repairs possible on xAK Kinkai Maru using currently assigned resources at Manado
No additional repairs possible on AK Awazisan Maru using currently assigned resources at Manado
TF 14 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 56 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 123 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 133 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 141 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 151 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 157 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 204 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 221 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
Hamamatsu expands airfield to size 7
Masan expands fortifications to size 4
Guiuan expands fortifications to size 1
Nanyang expands airfield to size 6
261 Ku S-1 at Rahaeng takes J2M2 Jack replacements
381 Ku S-1 at Moulmein takes N1K1-J George replacements
50th Sentai at Moulmein takes Ki-84a Frank replacements
60th Sentai at Pisanuloke takes Ki-49-IIb Helen replacements
Hiyo-3 on CVL Mizuho converting to size 27 from 13
Pilot Shibayama R. is reported as having been found
Delayed planes for the aircraft pool:
1 (1) x A6M5 Zero
DD Hayashimo arrives at Kobe
E Kasado arrives at Tokyo
E No.8 arrives at Tokyo
SS I-53 arrives at Okayama
SS S-38 is reported to have been sunk near Little Andaman on Jan 01, 1944
AO Ramapo is reported to have been sunk near Eiao on Feb 24, 1944
xAP Siberg is reported to have been sunk near Port Moresby on Feb 24, 1944
xAP Speelman is reported to have been sunk near Port Moresby on Feb 24, 1944
AM Outarde is reported to have been sunk near Port Moresby on Feb 24, 1944


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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 2762
RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 8/31/2011 8:58:11 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		This was much of an anti turn;

I suspected Andy would send his 4Es to Moulmein, wondered why he didn't do it already.
So I put all our fighters on 40% CAP - expected all to scramble if attacked (ca 300 fighters, 240 operational).
- Allies sweeps hit Pegu and roughly 100 4Es attacked Moulmein.

No need for Allied fighters really, 4Es are much more dangerous to both our fighters and bases
We scrambled ca 105 fighters and 25 enemy bombers were reported lost today. Still, the remaining 75 bombers decimated Moulmein.
Loads of ac were destroyed on ground and the base completely closed, so the PM Liberator strike met no resistance and destroyed more fighters.

The laser bomb aim of 4Es is the Allied Uber weapon of AE.
6 airfields means that Moulmein district got 6 airfields, it thus took only ~12 4Es to close each base and blow up the fighters in a base with 4 forts.

In comparison, we attacked Prome today with 70 medium bombers; the results 13 hits
The difference is abnormous...27 Wellingtons scored 144 hits on fields in Lashio.

In Port Moresby I attempted another attack run; all our fighters performed sweeps but met so many enemy fighters that friendly losses were very high.
The 2 bomber units that attacked lost 46 ac despite all our sweeps. So no more of this!

The only good results were achieved on the ground; the Allied assault on Toungoo was repulsed firmly.
This is the main thing, I now think we can stall the Allied ground offensive.

Intel shows 10 enemy divs, 200k troops and 1871 AFVs north of Rangoon. This force will not be able to defeat our 2000 AV in Rangoon.
Our troops in Toungoo can hold the enemy and I have 3 divisions of troops that will garrison the hex south of Toungoo.
- Troops can only move 2 miles per turn in move mode going west -> east, so if Andy want to move his main army south of Toungoo it will take 20+ days.
If he so does he will have to split his army; in the 20 days to come we will have more divisions and be able to switch troops between Rangoon and the position south
of Toungoo and hopefully create an unpassable barrier.

Our troops to the north are extracting themselves without problems, Taung Guy will be defended by a a division worth of troops and with forts and rough jungle it will
be a tough nut.

We received a new light cruiser and destroyer today; within 2 weeks another CVL will arrive and the Yamato's will complete their refit bringing more AA guns (1500) and additional radar sets.
The Combined Fleet will then be at peak strength.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 25, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 21
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-46-IIIb Dinah x 6

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 20
Spitfire VIII x 43
P-38H Lightning x 2
P-38J Lightning x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 21
P-39N1 Airacobra x 20
P-40N5 Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-IIIb Dinah: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 18

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 18
Spitfire VIII x 38
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-38J Lightning x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 21
P-39N1 Airacobra x 14
P-40N5 Warhawk x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 12
Spitfire VIII x 35
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-38J Lightning x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 20
P-39N1 Airacobra x 13
P-40N5 Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 137 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 40

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 12
Spitfire VIII x 27
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 18
P-39N1 Airacobra x 8
P-40N5 Warhawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 13 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 183 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17
Ki-84a Frank x 35

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 10
Spitfire VIII x 22
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 14
P-39N1 Airacobra x 7
P-40N5 Warhawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 139 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment, at 54,51 , near Bassein
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 15
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Gardner's Horse Regiment, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Gardner's Horse Regiment, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 156 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 49 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 9
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 28
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 30
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 33
Ki-84a Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 10 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane FR.IIb: 1 destroyed on ground
Hurricane IId Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 57,50 (Toungoo)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 121 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 11
B-25D1 Mitchell x 56
B-25G Mitchell x 16
P-40N5 Warhawk x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 2 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 134 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 46 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 79

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 24
B-17F Fortress x 15
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged
N1K1-J George: 11 destroyed on ground
Ki-61-Ic Tony: 13 damaged
Ki-61-Ic Tony: 13 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed, 78 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 27 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 7 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 25 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 36
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 222

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Portland Roads at 91,132
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 141 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 13

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter X x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAP Le Maire
CL Mobile



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P1Y1 Frances bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 123 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 22

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 4
Spitfire VIII x 14
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 8
P-40N5 Warhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 140 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 91

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-61-Ic Tony: 2 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 99

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet *
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Toungoo (57,50)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16542 troops, 295 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 1547
Defending force 17621 troops, 199 guns, 134 vehicles, Assault Value = 499

Allied adjusted assault: 319
Japanese adjusted defense: 2073

Allied assault odds: 1 to 6 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
545 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
360 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Assaulting units:
18th British Division
23rd Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
Burma Corps
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
14th Indian Light AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
5th South Seas Det.
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
18th Army
50th Field AA Battalion
18th JNAF AF Unit
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Burma




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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 8/31/2011 9:14:45 PM   
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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 8/31/2011 10:01:22 PM   
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The laser bomb aim of 4Es is the Allied Uber weapon of AE.
6 airfields means that Moulmein district got 6 airfields, it thus took only ~12 4Es to close each base and blow up the fighters in a base with 4 forts.

In comparison, we attacked Prome today with 70 medium bombers; the results 13 hits
The difference is abnormous...27 Wellingtons scored 144 hits on fields in Lashio.


I agree about the 4E's, but the second part is more disturbing.

Wellington is a 2E medium bomber, so on par with the IJ bombers. It carries 8x500lb though, double the Helen/Sally load. Still 27 x 8 = 216 total bombs. 144 hits => 66% hit percentage. I have never gotten even close to that with an IJ bomber. So, it would appear maybe that allied bombers are getting a bonus to hit due to better bombsights? Might need tweaking. In any circumstance, a formation of 27 bombers in WWII would have been lucky in the extreme to get those results. Just my observation here.

PS: Just talked with Gene, B-24 belly gunner. 87 years young yet. He just laughed. He said in de-briefs they got a "good" mark anytime the photos showed better than 20% in the box. He said the box was bigger than the actual target, but he didn't know anymore how much bigger. He said you had the photo, then the box and then the real target (factory, bridge, train switch yard, whatever) inside that. He's the last of his crew, so can't asked the pilot or bombadier who might have known more. They got their unit reunion in Nov, maybe get more then.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 8/31/2011 11:13:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read the "boxes" (circles) for some targets in Germany were up to 5km in their diagonal, i.e. something more than 2-5x their real size, though I can't recall whether that was for the British or the USAAF. Both used different criteria, not surprising, and also different criteria for day and night raids, of course.  Nonetheless, when first reading about this, I had to laugh given today's accuracy and BDA criteria.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 1:32:49 AM   
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I read the "boxes" (circles) for some targets in Germany were up to 5km in their diagonal, i.e. something more than 2-5x their real size, though I can't recall whether that was for the British or the USAAF. Both used different criteria, not surprising, and also different criteria for day and night raids, of course.  Nonetheless, when first reading about this, I had to laugh given today's accuracy and BDA criteria.

Oh yeah ... "box" was the term, not necessarily describing the geometric shape. Circle, oval, or just squiggle would still have been the "box".

2-5x ... wow. Could be correct. The way Gene described it, there was plenty of "room" between the box and the target.

Anyway, 66% hit rate is just really, really high. Could happen. But then it seems we see a lot of high hit percentages. Maybe if I can find time, I can do a sample just on the reports in PzB's AAR here.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 2:52:56 AM   
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144 hits => 66% hit percentage

Interesting...could you ask your partner what is the experience level of the wellington pilots?

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 3:02:58 AM   
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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 9:14:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

The laser bomb aim of 4Es is the Allied Uber weapon of AE.
6 airfields means that Moulmein district got 6 airfields, it thus took only ~12 4Es to close each base and blow up the fighters in a base with 4 forts.

In comparison, we attacked Prome today with 70 medium bombers; the results 13 hits
The difference is abnormous...27 Wellingtons scored 144 hits on fields in Lashio.


I agree about the 4E's, but the second part is more disturbing.

Wellington is a 2E medium bomber, so on par with the IJ bombers. It carries 8x500lb though, double the Helen/Sally load. Still 27 x 8 = 216 total bombs. 144 hits => 66% hit percentage. I have never gotten even close to that with an IJ bomber. So, it would appear maybe that allied bombers are getting a bonus to hit due to better bombsights? Might need tweaking. In any circumstance, a formation of 27 bombers in WWII would have been lucky in the extreme to get those results. Just my observation here.

PS: Just talked with Gene, B-24 belly gunner. 87 years young yet. He just laughed. He said in de-briefs they got a "good" mark anytime the photos showed better than 20% in the box. He said the box was bigger than the actual target, but he didn't know anymore how much bigger. He said you had the photo, then the box and then the real target (factory, bridge, train switch yard, whatever) inside that. He's the last of his crew, so can't asked the pilot or bombadier who might have known more. They got their unit reunion in Nov, maybe get more then.


Maybe its Amatol vs. TNT or very different amounts of explosive content in those bombs... I could / someone could dig up some hardballs but I dont think there should be even 1,5:1 difference. TNT to Amatol rate is somewhere around 0.9:1 IRL, and I dont think the British even used it much.

EDIT:

game has effect rating of 1102 with accuracy 52 for 500kg GP bombs, so Ki-49/21 load makes effect 4408.

500lbs GP has effect of 500 and accuracy of only 25, 8 of them make 4000.

So, shouldnt the effective bomb load of Ki-21/49 be actually better?

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 9:40:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Erkki

quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

The laser bomb aim of 4Es is the Allied Uber weapon of AE.
6 airfields means that Moulmein district got 6 airfields, it thus took only ~12 4Es to close each base and blow up the fighters in a base with 4 forts.

In comparison, we attacked Prome today with 70 medium bombers; the results 13 hits
The difference is abnormous...27 Wellingtons scored 144 hits on fields in Lashio.


I agree about the 4E's, but the second part is more disturbing.

Wellington is a 2E medium bomber, so on par with the IJ bombers. It carries 8x500lb though, double the Helen/Sally load. Still 27 x 8 = 216 total bombs. 144 hits => 66% hit percentage. I have never gotten even close to that with an IJ bomber. So, it would appear maybe that allied bombers are getting a bonus to hit due to better bombsights? Might need tweaking. In any circumstance, a formation of 27 bombers in WWII would have been lucky in the extreme to get those results. Just my observation here.

PS: Just talked with Gene, B-24 belly gunner. 87 years young yet. He just laughed. He said in de-briefs they got a "good" mark anytime the photos showed better than 20% in the box. He said the box was bigger than the actual target, but he didn't know anymore how much bigger. He said you had the photo, then the box and then the real target (factory, bridge, train switch yard, whatever) inside that. He's the last of his crew, so can't asked the pilot or bombadier who might have known more. They got their unit reunion in Nov, maybe get more then.


Maybe its Amatol vs. TNT or very different amounts of explosive content in those bombs... I could / someone could dig up some hardballs but I dont think there should be even 1,5:1 difference. TNT to Amatol rate is somewhere around 0.9:1 IRL, and I dont think the British even used it much.

EDIT:

game has effect rating of 1102 with accuracy 52 for 500kg GP bombs, so Ki-49/21 load makes effect 4408.

500lbs GP has effect of 500 and accuracy of only 25, 8 of them make 4000.

So, shouldnt the effective bomb load of Ki-21/49 be actually better?


Since when do the Ki-21/49 carry 500kg bombs?

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 9:46:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: String


quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

The laser bomb aim of 4Es is the Allied Uber weapon of AE.
6 airfields means that Moulmein district got 6 airfields, it thus took only ~12 4Es to close each base and blow up the fighters in a base with 4 forts.

In comparison, we attacked Prome today with 70 medium bombers; the results 13 hits
The difference is abnormous...27 Wellingtons scored 144 hits on fields in Lashio.


I agree about the 4E's, but the second part is more disturbing.

Wellington is a 2E medium bomber, so on par with the IJ bombers. It carries 8x500lb though, double the Helen/Sally load. Still 27 x 8 = 216 total bombs. 144 hits => 66% hit percentage. I have never gotten even close to that with an IJ bomber. So, it would appear maybe that allied bombers are getting a bonus to hit due to better bombsights? Might need tweaking. In any circumstance, a formation of 27 bombers in WWII would have been lucky in the extreme to get those results. Just my observation here.

PS: Just talked with Gene, B-24 belly gunner. 87 years young yet. He just laughed. He said in de-briefs they got a "good" mark anytime the photos showed better than 20% in the box. He said the box was bigger than the actual target, but he didn't know anymore how much bigger. He said you had the photo, then the box and then the real target (factory, bridge, train switch yard, whatever) inside that. He's the last of his crew, so can't asked the pilot or bombadier who might have known more. They got their unit reunion in Nov, maybe get more then.


Maybe its Amatol vs. TNT or very different amounts of explosive content in those bombs... I could / someone could dig up some hardballs but I dont think there should be even 1,5:1 difference. TNT to Amatol rate is somewhere around 0.9:1 IRL, and I dont think the British even used it much.

EDIT:

game has effect rating of 1102 with accuracy 52 for 500kg GP bombs, so Ki-49/21 load makes effect 4408.

500lbs GP has effect of 500 and accuracy of only 25, 8 of them make 4000.

So, shouldnt the effective bomb load of Ki-21/49 be actually better?


Since when do the Ki-21/49 carry 500kg bombs?


Oops - my bad.

250kg GB bombs are still accuracy 26 effect 551, x 4 = 2204. One point more accurate than British bombs(assuming the accuracy is even used, and each bomb gets its own dice roll). How high did the Wellingtons bomb?

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 9:47:36 AM   
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This was much of an anti turn;

I suspected Andy would send his 4Es to Moulmein, wondered why he didn't do it already.
So I put all our fighters on 40% CAP - expected all to scramble if attacked (ca 300 fighters, 240 operational).
- Allies sweeps hit Pegu and roughly 100 4Es attacked Moulmein.

No need for Allied fighters really, 4Es are much more dangerous to both our fighters and bases
We scrambled ca 105 fighters and 25 enemy bombers were reported lost today. Still, the remaining 75 bombers decimated Moulmein.
Loads of ac were destroyed on ground and the base completely closed, so the PM Liberator strike met no resistance and destroyed more fighters.

The laser bomb aim of 4Es is the Allied Uber weapon of AE.
6 airfields means that Moulmein district got 6 airfields, it thus took only ~12 4Es to close each base and blow up the fighters in a base with 4 forts.

In comparison, we attacked Prome today with 70 medium bombers; the results 13 hits
The difference is abnormous...27 Wellingtons scored 144 hits on fields in Lashio.



Do you have enough AA units with 75mm AA guns at Moulmein? Flak can make a huge difference.


As you can see in the combat report for your attack on Prome, Andy most likely has lots of AA guns at Prome: Roughly one third of your bombers were damaged even without any CAP and when bombing from 15,000 feet. You cannot expect high accuracy from your bombers when (probably lots) of 3.7in AA guns are firing on them and they're bombing from 15,000 feet.

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ORIGINAL: PzB

Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 156 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 49 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 9
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 28
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 30
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 33
Ki-84a Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 10 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 13 damaged


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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 10:31:13 AM   
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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 10:54:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, number of AA guns is decisive factor here; Jap flak is really poor, 4Es can bomb at 11-15k feet without taking much damage from our massed batteries. I have AA units in most bases, not so many in Moulmein but previous bombardments of Rangoon were we had oodles witnessed their inability to disrupt the bombers.

Our medium bombers are forced to bomb from high altitude because of highly efficient Allied flak and this severly reduce accuracy.

Apart from this a hit ratio of 30-60% is still insanely high!
I know that an airfield size 7 in AE is an abstraction of reality, but it's not a good abstraction.
- Port Moresby had 7 airfields in WWII and there was no conceivable way of closing them all down in one attack unless you had an enormous number of bombers.

The abstraction in AE should therefore make it increasingly difficult to suppress a large airfield - but it's not so.
With a single attack by 100-150 4E bombers Andy closed down Rangoon (size 9 AF). Same faith awaited all the rest of Jap airfields in Burma.
- A single attack with a relatively small number of bombers can therefore efficiently close down a major air system with hundreds of fighters on CAP.

I don't think this is very realistic, especially not when a base like Rangoon or Moulmein got 5 forts.
Most airfields had shelters for aircraft and dispersed them into the jungle. Low level sweeps by fighter bombers were more efficient at times than high level bombers, but flak
was much more of an issue then.

When the 75 4Es hit Moulmein there were 240 fighters in the base plus 60 damaged ac.
After the attack there were 200 damaged fighters left. I had to disband the units or rail them to a damaged base in Rangoon to disperse them.
It will take weeks to get the air units back together and in shape again. The result achieved by 75 4Es is not great, it's extraordinary. Unfortunately most 4E attacks are

But Japan has their uber weapons as well, like Nell and Betty torpedo bombers and accelerated aircraft and ship production etc.
Allies suffer from nerfed subs which seriously affect their ability to suppress Japan...but this is partly compensated for by the uber 4Es.
- Someone said they were looking forward to see how I handled massed 4E raids.

Well, there is no way to "handle them", it's only possible to reduce their efficiency by moving our main airfields as far back as possible to reduce enemy fighter sweep efficiency and place as many AA guns, engineers, forts and fighters in the base as possible while providing support from nearby base CAP.

If / when Andy gets his hands on Rangoon and the cluster of surrounding bases the Allied 4E menace will be able to reach far and wide but I hope it will be possible to prepare a networked chain of bases in and around Bangkok. I'm also prepping size 9 airbases in Saigon, Victoria Point and Medan.

I've placed 2 division worth of troops in Tavoy and the base south of it and is building forts like crazy.
An Allied effort to bypass Moulmein will therefore have to hit our "fortified" bases between Medan and Tavoy, all defended with heavy garrisons and forts.
Will require the bulk of the Allied fleets to pull this off against our LBA and KB (I hope:).


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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 6:52:13 PM   
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Apart from this a hit ratio of 30-60% is still insanely high!


Not sure I would go all the way to insanely, but if Gene is correct and 20% in the box was considered good in the Med, then it seems as though the results need to be shifted down some.

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ORIGINAL: PzB

I know that an airfield size 7 in AE is an abstraction of reality, ... - Port Moresby had 7 airfields in WWII and there was no conceivable way of closing them all down in one attack unless you had an enormous number of bombers. The abstraction in AE should therefore make it increasingly difficult to suppress a large airfield - but it's not so.
...
I don't think this is very realistic, especially not when a base like Rangoon or Moulmein got 5 forts.
Most airfields had shelters for aircraft and dispersed them into the jungle. Low level sweeps by fighter bombers were more efficient at times than high level bombers, but flak was much more of an issue then.


I also agree. Fortifications are in the bombing result calc per Michael, but it doesn't seem to be dialed in yet. We have some pretty good end war data on bombing results against fortified targets (Iwo, Tarawa, Okinawa). Basically, the historical result was at fort level 6, a 500 lb should have a tiny chance to do damage. Like 0.1%. Really. Thousands of bombs should do little damage. Read up on what the marines met when they landed at Iwo after what, a month?, bombing campaign. Now those bigger, fort buster bombs, that some of the british can carry .. yeah, those should still damage.

If anything, the IJ results are closer to what the allies should be seeing and then the IJ should be about 10 -25% below that due to lessor bombsights at altitudes over say 10,000 ft or so. At 5000 ft, shouldn't be much, if any, difference inherent in the accuracy. Then when you factor in the larger bomb loads and more aricraft, you get the allies with a 3:1 or 4:1 bombing advantage. Right now it feels like 100:1. Granted, the B-17 is a far better bomber than the Helen. But if you can say you'd rather have 1xB-17 than 100xKi-49, then you know you've got something to look at.

Anyway, just my thoughts for what they are worth.




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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 8:55:24 PM   
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This turn was interesting; Allied 4E continued to pummel all our airfields in Burma while both sides hit eachothers
ground troops in Bassein area. Our sweepers stayed home this turn, so we took some casualties.
- Our ground casualties were of course 8 times higher as well.

A sub made contact with the enemy in Port Moresby and this triggered substantial night air attacks; surprisingly hits were scored!
A damaged CL took a torpedo while a low flying Helen hit a cargo ship!

A convoy spotted near Penrhyn Island was intercepted by 2 light cruisers, unfortunately the convoy escaped - even though our ships had
radar they didn't spot the enemy at 4000 yards...


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 26, 44

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Penrhyn Island at 168,163, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CL Tenryu

Allied Ships
DE Foreman
DE Osterhaus
DE Doneff
DMS Hovey
AK Rotanin
LSD Gunston Hall
LST-42
LST-66
LST-70
LST-171
LST-172
TK J.C. Fitzsimmons
TK Mission Capistrano
TK Mission Loreto
TK Chas Kurz
TK Chilbar
xAK Edmund G. Ross
xAK George Von L. Meyer
xAK J. Maurice Thompson
xAK James D. Phelan
xAK Thomas Crawford
xAK W. B. Ayer
xAK Samota
YMS-394
YMS-395
YMS-396

Reduced sighting due to 7% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 7% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range increases to 13,000 yards...
Range increases to 14,000 yards...
Range increases to 15,000 yards...
Range increases to 16,000 yards...
Range increases to 17,000 yards...
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Range increases to 19,000 yards...
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
Range increases to 22,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Allied Transport TF evades combat
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Sub Attacks

Sub attack near Port Moresby at 98,130

Japanese Ships
SS RO-106, hits 57, heavy damage

Allied Ships
xAK Ensley City
PG Charleston
AM Igonish
APA Cambria
APA Harry Lee
xAK Dardanus
xAK Baron Cawdor
xAK Challenger
DD Stronghold
DE Hotspur

SS RO-106 launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Ensley City
DD Stronghold attacking submerged sub ....
DE Hotspur attacking submerged sub ....
DD Stronghold fails to find sub and abandons search
DE Hotspur fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Hotspur attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Portland Roads at 94,130

Japanese Ships
SS I-173, hits 4

Allied Ships
AM Bengal
APA Callaway
LSI(L) Empire Pride
AK Bullock
AK Indus
LST-484
LST-335
xAP Van Overstraten
xAP Le Maire
xAP Republic
xAK Mariso
xAK La Cordillera
xAK Esperance
xAK John A. Rawlins
xAK Sea Snipe
KV Freesia
PC Jackson

SS I-173 is sighted by escort
I-173 diving deep ....
KV Freesia fails to find sub and abandons search
PC Jackson fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Jackson attacking submerged sub ....
PC Jackson fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Jackson fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Jackson fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Night Air Combat

Night Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 143 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Caradoc, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APA Harry Lee
xAK Baron Cawdor
DD Stronghold
DE Hotspur
xAK Challenger

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B6N1 Jill bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
27 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Night Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 103 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 10 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Matthew Lyon
APA McCawley
xAK Challenger, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Stronghold

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Night Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
PV-1N Ventura x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1N Ventura: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PV-1N Ventura bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Night Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Matthew Lyon

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 268th Motorised Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Spitfire VIII x 15
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 11
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on 268th Motorised Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 7
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 23
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 42
Ki-84a Frank x 48

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Spitfire VIII x 15
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 11
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 9 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 50 (7 destroyed, 43 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 67

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 24
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 359

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 28

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 115
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Morning Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 36


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 161

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Spitfire VIII x 8
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
B-25D1 Mitchell x 10
P-39D Airacobra x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 18th JAAF Base Force, at 54,52 (Bassein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
Spitfire VIII x 7
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 60
B-25G Mitchell x 13
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
574 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th JAAF Base Force ...
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Bugger, this could have been fun....




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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 9:01:07 PM   
PzB74


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It's a potentially dangerous game in Burma.
Stalling the Allies at Rangoon, alternatively force them to detour SSW will allow us to gather all our troops to the north.
- The question will then be whether to strike at the enemy flank, leave a strong rearguard in Rangoon or face the enemy at Pegu.

Enemy supply must be strained with so many troops!
Chess in other words.

What do you think?

If someone want to do some research, can you check how long Allied infantry and armored units take to march in move / combat mode from the hex north of
Rangoon to Pegu?

Also; with 5 forts in Rangoon, how many AV would be enough to stall an enemy army of 5000 AV?
- Will 1000 do it?




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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 9:54:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		The AV equation is not static - many of the Allies squad types upgrade to become much more powerful, but each squad still counts as "1 AV". You really need to look at what you are facing, then look at the anti-soft and anti-hard ratings of that squad type in Tracker.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 10:36:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

Well, if you have time and guts to lobby for such changes in the boyz club Pax I'll support you!-)


I posed the suggestion about a month ago and it was declined. Not sure it is within Michael's scope right now. Prolly take a "bunch" of the original team to agree to. Maybe not even then.


So, doesn't seem likely to happen. Since then I've been developing a work-around for my personal mod.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/1/2011 11:38:55 PM   
PzB74


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Well, constructive criticism has _never_ been well received in the boyz club Pax, so I stopped trying a long time ago....

Some (more) difficulties in next turn now as the usual fubar happened.

I had forgot that I set most troops in Toungoo to move south (just in case I wanted to leave).
I cancelled the move order for the division I thought everyone was following but obviously they were all marching.
So I only got 1 full strength and one mauled division left at Toungoo just as Andy attacks - now with an uber sized Chink corps again.
We have strong troops to the south of Toungoo but no forts here and we will take losses before the Guards div can move south again.

To add to this, enemy reinforcements moved into Bassein and air strikes hammered our troops again.
I had ordered all our bombers to attack as well, Bassein was shrouded in severe storms so our bombers didn't attack (only their escorts went in).
- Allied planes attacked with great efficieny in the storms as usual.

So Bassein fell one turn before our division from the left flank could move into Bassein (that's the one I wanted to get to Rangoon).
Our left flank division has moved 42/46 miles to Bassein:

Question 1: Will the division move the remaining 4 miles in combat mode by next turn (it moved 7 miles in Move mode)?
Question 2: I have a full strength tank div that can enter and assault Bassein from Rangoon tomorrow in combat mode.
Should I send it in together with paras and full air strikes to rout the enemy and bring our left flank units home at the risk of getting the tank div mauled as well?

Alternatives; loose another full strength division or attempt to save it at the potential cost of a mauled tank div.
Seems like we have no choice...but then there is the question about whether we can get both division to enter Bassein together in combat mode tomorrow.

With the fubar at Toungoo I'm unsure about our defense north of Rangoon.
We have enough troops to hold south of Toungoo but in general the situation has been, is and will remain bad.
- There is just no way to stop the combination of fully supplied 7-8000 enemy AV supported by nuke 4E and ground attack bombers.

An early withdrawal to Moulmein will give Rangoon to the enemy, but this is perhaps inevitable before the monsoon period anyway.
Will think about this until tomorrow, good advice is really appreciated!

Got a feeling that Andy is ready for a major push in the Central Pacific or SRA soon, alternatively a push down Sumatra after Rangoon area falls.
I'm therefore not very eager to send KB to Port Moresby to punsih a few transports and minor importance warships there. That's a sideshow, let Andy play and we can snipe at him.

KB is to be used for the mainshow only!

The entire horrible ground combat campaign in Burma is really taxing my will to play AE, so I hope the game changes focus soon but since Andy loves his ground combat there is probably
not much chance for that


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 27, 44

Ground Combat

Ground combat at Toungoo (57,50)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36283 troops, 681 guns, 295 vehicles, Assault Value = 1756
Defending force 18236 troops, 194 guns, 68 vehicles, Assault Value = 624

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 1090
Japanese adjusted defense: 1427

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
924 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
499 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Assaulting units:
18th British Division
5th Chinese Corps
23rd Indian Division
20th Indian/B Division
20th Indian/C Division
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
14th Indian Light AA Regiment
Burma Corps
6th Medium Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
37th Division
6th Guards Division
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Ground combat at Bassein (54,52)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2547 troops, 24 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 724
Defending force 4783 troops, 88 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 74

Allied adjusted assault: 81
Japanese adjusted defense: 8

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Bassein !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1640 casualties reported
Squads: 64 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 154 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 22 (22 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (58 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
75th IAC Regiment
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
267th Armoured Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
Gardner's Horse Regiment
4th Marine Regiment
16th Chindit Brigade
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
90th Infantry Regiment
24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
25th Field AA Machinecannon Company
18th JAAF Base Force
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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 5:08:42 AM   
Cribtop


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Status: offline 		Do you have the ability to push one LCU in from Rangoon and thus open a hex side that will allow the division to escape to Rangoon? This tactic can work (see my AAR as Cuttlefish used it against me at Loyang).

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 6:30:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB


Ground Combat

Ground combat at Toungoo (57,50)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36283 troops, 681 guns, 295 vehicles, Assault Value = 1756
Defending force 18236 troops, 194 guns, 68 vehicles, Assault Value = 624

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 1090
Japanese adjusted defense: 1427

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
924 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
499 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Assaulting units:
18th British Division
5th Chinese Corps
23rd Indian Division
20th Indian/B Division
20th Indian/C Division
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
14th Indian Light AA Regiment
Burma Corps
6th Medium Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
37th Division
6th Guards Division


LOL, ground combat in Allied edition is really improved . Allies just need to keep attacking no matter what odds are....

I can understand your frustration - ground combat with 4E menace makes defense impossible. But keep in mind, sooner or latter Andy will get short of the land and you can stop him at the gates of Bangkok and delay him at Malayan peninsula !As long you have naval supremacy there he must be catious with his advance towards singapore IMHO (and you can cut off him with your units at Bangkok if he becomes reckless :)



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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 7:27:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the 2nd Tank div can move into Bassein tomorrow, that's the sacrifice for getting our left flank division out.
The 50 B-25s cause 5-700 casualties in each attack - and they attack every day no matter if there's t-storms over target

Odds doesn't matter so mach for casualties anymore it seems, as long as you have more troops the defender will suffer higher casualties. Those 600+ AV Chinese corps are really bad ass, they provide a real hammer to the Allied push. When we agreed when Allies could have 3 Chink units in Burma several of these monster units appeared, each can be divided into 3 small divisions.

Problem is that the majority of our major ground units get disrupted and continously weakened by the never ending pounding from the air. Then a little fubar happens and another division gets stuck or routed. It's to cry about all together.

Andy will be happy when he gets into Rangoon, then Port Blair and everything north of Bangkok can be pounded to dust.
With Port Blair neutralized the barrier against Sumatra and Malaya is removed, but yes then he has to committ his fleet to move on but with the enormous amount of LBA then in Rangoon area life will not be easy for Japs that try to interfere.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 7:31:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		While ground combat right now surely must be frustrating, one must consider that PzB has achieved two major victories by mechanics that clearly favor the Japanese side. The 8 hex Japanese vs. 7 hex Allied carrier strike range. The last one was a major strategic victory that still influences the game.

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 7:56:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB
Apart from this a hit ratio of 30-60% is still insanely high!
I know that an airfield size 7 in AE is an abstraction of reality, but it's not a good abstraction.
- Port Moresby had 7 airfields in WWII and there was no conceivable way of closing them all down in one attack unless you had an enormous number of bombers.

The abstraction in AE should therefore make it increasingly difficult to suppress a large airfield - but it's not so.
With a single attack by 100-150 4E bombers Andy closed down Rangoon (size 9 AF). Same faith awaited all the rest of Jap airfields in Burma.
- A single attack with a relatively small number of bombers can therefore efficiently close down a major air system with hundreds of fighters on CAP.

I don't think this is very realistic, especially not when a base like Rangoon or Moulmein got 5 forts.
Most airfields had shelters for aircraft and dispersed them into the jungle. Low level sweeps by fighter bombers were more efficient at times than high level bombers, but flak
was much more of an issue then.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Not sure I would go all the way to insanely, but if Gene is correct and 20% in the box was considered good in the Med, then it seems as though the results need to be shifted down some.


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Well, if you have time and guts to lobby for such changes in the boyz club Pax I'll support you!-)



Well, take a look at this thread; http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2787581&mpage=1&key=�
I found the extraordinary good results (that somehow must be linked with better skill of Allied pilots in '43/'44) quite allarming... because sometimes it even seemed that more bombs hit that were dropped...
Maybe it's good place to lobby...

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 8:20:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the previous victories weren't solely caused by the 7 vs 8 hex strike range, just one of the components.
- the increased (and realistic) chance of bombers to slip through CAP combined with strong support from LBA also contributed.

The 7 vs 8 hex strike range is a deliberate functionality, I would indeed open for a discussion on this anytime.
Since both Jap and Allied carriers in real life sometimes sent of strikes beyond their max range (to land on islands or ditch deliberately in sea) the 7 vs 8 hex strike range is now mostly based on the fact that Jap ac had longer range than Allied CAG.

The 4E is the Allied counter to Jap Uber capabilities - but that doesn't mean we have to like it!
It's not very funny to play AE for 2 years under constant grousing from 4Es that can't be stopped.

Since Allies have such a strong hand in the air by 1944 I think a prolonged battle of attrition would be better.
The 4Es hurt my fighters in the air as much as Allied fighters does. If damage to ground facilities (including ac) could be reduced the number of strikes required to close a base would mean a prolonged air campaign.

Sending 150 4Es to attack 4 bases and close them all down is a bit simplistic.
Right now I have 100 damaged ac sitting in major bases with 100/100 damage to fields and maintenance services.
As it is my pilots are tied to their damaged ac and I have to return them to the pools (takes forever and last time I did so in large numbers many never returned).

Also; by October 1943 the Burma railroad between Bangkok and Rangoon was finished.
Why can't we have this reflected in the game? This would really have made it possible to organize a good defense of Burma in 1944.

But I guess the Allies also need to have some slight hopes of progress and victory



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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 10:15:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well - unfortunately you are a victim of your own success here. You won so overwhelmingly at sea, that you've forced your opponent to concentrate on the one area that he knew he could avoid your key strengths (superior use of your naval forces) & prevail using his own defined strengths (LBA & his army).

Crushing defeats are great, if they do in fact end the war, but in this case, you've driven Andy in a direction that is worse for you (instead of encouraging him to maintain a naval campaign that would have allowed you to attrit him more - in this case, your quick victory in the DEI is now a liability to the grand campaign).

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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 10:19:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I completely concur with all of your points.  The Burma RR would be a nice feature.  Perhaps with a map-mod that both players agree to swap at a given date this could be j-rigged?
I would be willing to cut the 8-range NavAir strike benefit for the japs (simply allow both sides to use their resp. airframe max ranges, such as done for LBA) as well as see the E-type subhunters be tuned a bit down, if in turn the allied bombing efficiency and the "4E-bomber sweep" capabilities would also be toned down.  Seeing hit-percentages like in your reports, or viberpol's, or anyones, is really scary.  Makes me wonder whether the allied player should simply husband them throughout 42 and put the planes of withdrawing sqrns into the pools until he can form 200+ bomber raids.  If there were no house-rules...

As for your present dilemma... Yes, Toungoo was a little faux pas, but that can still be turned around.  I would speak out for saving the full-strength division enroute to Bassein by moving the Tank Div from Rangoon, yet not the paras.  The question is, what will Andy move to reinforce his units there as well within the next 2-3 days?  If the forces remain as they are, I would even consider an peremptory attack against these units once the tank and the infantry div are both in the hex.  Just waiting them to get pummeled from the air while retreating together to Rangoon would surely leave them in better shape, but with an attack you could at least deal some damage to Andy's exposed units as well.

As for Rangoon... yes, 1AV ain't 1AV.  With the bombing to be expected, you'll probably also reach a (steady?-) state with a substantial disrupted squads, and I bet you'll need at least 2500AV with good morale and experience to hold the place.  Is it worth it?  Yes, in terms of denying Andy the airfields, and the supply port.  Can it be done?  Well, how much supply can you get there, and how long will it last in face of heavy bombardment from air and sea, as well as regular spoiling attacks?  And will keeping so many units leave you with enough to hold the Moulmein line, or will Andy just plunge through straight to bangkok"?







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RE: Port Moresby invaded!! - 9/2/2011 10:48:21 AM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Ah well, Andy loves Burma theatre - he would have played this hand whether we had routed him in Cent Pac and SRA or not!
I learned a lot of game mechanics in Burma, both regarding how things work...and how they don't work
- Very hard to pick all this up and the seemingly endless ability to supply half a million men in Burma without a single complete road running into India is still mindbogling.

Can always suggest it for Andy, but not so sure he will be all jubilant about it
I don't need E-type subhunters...Andy has already retired his subs. He only takes em out for major campaigns nowadays...
Our asw trained medium bombers can handle the subs closer to shore. Half of my medium bomber force is sitting at key bases along our convoy routes performing scout and search missions.

When the tank division enters Bassein tomorrow it will cross a river and shock attack.
That's why I wonder whether the division from the other side will manage to arrive at the same time; think we have to set it on Move mode to ensure that this will happen. Then we will most likely rout the enemy units in Bassein and ourselves become victims of the B-25s..until we escape into Rangoon. 5 days = ~3-4000 casualties from the air.

I have dumped a lot of supply into Rangoon but it has all been distributed so we need the railroad to Moulmein open.
No doubt we can stop the Allied stack dead at Rangoon, the question is whether it's worth the risk of being flank and trapped.
- Pegu is a clear terrain, same as the hex to its north. Not a very tempting stand...so an Allied move here would hurt - but as mentioned, it would take 20+ days and force a division of their troops. Right now 20 days rest and time to plan would be great, if Andy marches into Rangoon we'll make a stand as long as we hold the hex south of Toungoo.

I need ~4000 AV to hold the Moulmein line and surroundings, right now we probably got ca 5000 AV in total - so we can't afford to loose to many troops.

So be it!

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