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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 12:35:54 PM   
Santayana_slith

 

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Status: offline 		Amazing work, indeed!

Ralph, can we expect a beta-patch in the near future while you iron out the final version?




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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 1:54:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		This looks absolutely fantastic! You are a real artist.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 2:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks good. But where exactely is that fabled patch?...

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 3:53:56 PM   
nicdain

 

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Status: offline 		That's amazing! Awesome work!
I especially like the look of the counters shown in posts 1,3,10 and 13
The terrain features are fantastic, too.
Keep it up!

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 4:34:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Must say that I still an eye on this game from afar and those graphics look great. Will have to attempt at third comeback when Ralph is done with his work.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 7:49:17 PM   
golden delicious


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Status: offline 		Incredible. I have steered well clear of every graphics mod to date but this is something else.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 8:03:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bah humbug. Taste aside, to me the hills look inverted -- that is to say, as if they're dug into the surface rather than rising out of it. Then too, the escarpment looks a bit too regular -- for a while I thought it must be your notation for fortifications. I can't say I care for the peaks -- better the current tile.

And finally, don't like the major rivers. Not that it isn't impressive overall -- but these are the shortcomings I perceive.



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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 8:16:23 PM   
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Bah humbug. Taste aside, to me the hills look inverted -- that is to say, as if they're dug into the surface rather than rising out of it. Then too, the escarpment looks a bit too regular -- for a while I thought it must be your notation for fortifications. I can't say I care for the peaks -- better the current tile.

And finally, don't like the major rivers. Not that it isn't impressive overall -- but these are the shortcomings I perceive.



Colin,
Luckily, there's nothing to stop you from mixing the graphics and using the old Hills, Escarpments, Rivers and the new graphics for the rest or whatever combination you want.

Ralph


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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 9:49:25 PM   
eastwindrain

 

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Status: offline 		Wonderful work squire's I salute you.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 9:55:08 PM   
damezzi

 

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Status: offline 		Thank you all for the compliments!   Colin, it’s really an impossible thing to adapt a mod to everyone’s taste. Every person will be able to pick a terrain feature he would rather see represented differently. If there is any element which seems to bother most people, I’ll try to find a solution, but I can’t please everyone, so I need to use my own criteria. There is always the possibility of modification of this mod by others, also.
I have had, once or twice, the same impression on hills as you had. This is a normal optical illusion when we use slightly beveled surfaces, but most of the time our brains will settle with what we know is the right perception. I now experience difficulty reproducing the impression of dug in hills and I think that, after a while, most people that experienced that way of perceiving it will too. Increasing the relief made things look very convoluted, at least for my taste. I think that the original Toaw hills look to bumpy.
Escarpments are one of the most difficult tiles to produce in Toaw, since they must follow the hex side they are associated with. Being difficult to create an organic looking tile with that constraint, I opted for a symbolic one.     Bulldog,  post 17 is frozen terrain. It’s less perceptible in this picture than it is in game, since all tiles are frozen and so there is no adjacent contrasting hexes. I opted for a striped pattern for frozen, so that it can be easily distinguished from snowy. And I really like the aspect of paper texture it creates. Original snowy tiles in Toaw were too obstructive and if I decided simply for two levels of transparency, it would be difficult to distinguish frozen from snowy when only one was present like in post 17. I’m posting some extra winter images.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 9:55:55 PM   
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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 9:56:27 PM   
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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 9:57:04 PM   
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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 10:15:24 PM   
Josh

 

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Status: offline 		I don't own the game yet, waiting for the patch release, but I must say: most impressive indeed, exceptionally well done. How long have you been working on this if I may ask?

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/5/2010 10:28:00 PM   
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Incredible. I have steered well clear of every graphics mod to date but this is something else.


Indeed. I might actually try this one out.

Good work.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/6/2010 2:20:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks just great!
But what about the hexes can we turn them off?

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/6/2010 10:46:27 AM   
erichswafford


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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/6/2010 3:10:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Looks just great!
But what about the hexes can we turn them off?

If you mean the hex outline, then yes, there's a switch to do that. You could also mod them to make them almost transparent very easily with something like Paint.Net (freeware), I'll probably do that for my personal use. I like hexes, but I also like the map without hexes, so I am going to try a compromise. I'll probalby hate it, but...

Ralph


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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/6/2010 4:05:21 PM   
Bulldog1

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting the winter pics. Now I see the snow. I like it.

Just wondering if its possible to (lets use post 43 as example) to touch up the hex sides of the inland lakes to look frozen. I think this would enhance the image of winter.

AGAIN THANKS FOR THE EXCELLENT WORK!

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/6/2010 5:31:49 PM   
Menschenfresser

 

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Status: offline 		Ralph, I hope that, given the overwhelming support here, this mod will come with the patch and have a conversion option from the start menu like TOAW3 and CLASSIC graphics.

Unless this isn't planned and adding it would delay things.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/7/2010 1:29:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		hope to play with this soon....

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/7/2010 7:22:33 PM   
damezzi

 

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Status: offline 		Bulldog, I can`t make the hex overlay react to what`s underneath. It only has some transparency to it, so that you can distinguish some features below.

Ralph idea is a good one and since I prefer the look of the mod with hex outline on (I too preferred the original Toaw graphics without the hex outline, but not this one... yet, that`s a very personal matter) and some may think it`s too visible, I`ll make available a version with less opacity. The `official` one will be the one above, but an alternative file will be present, so it`s just a question of renaming. Also, it`s very easy to tweak the file opacity in any painting software (I really can`t consider windows paint a painting software). The shape is a little tricky.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/7/2010 7:25:34 PM   
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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/7/2010 7:27:04 PM   
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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/7/2010 7:31:36 PM   
damezzi

 

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Status: offline 		Josh, it took me about one month (when I had some extra spare time available) to do most of it. The last month I`ve been adding some details, while Ralph was tweaking the engine and making it possible to use all features.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/8/2010 1:18:06 AM   
Bulldog1

 

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Status: offline 		Damezzi, thanks for your reply. It will be like playing a new game! Awesome!

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/9/2010 9:46:30 AM   
comte


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Status: offline 		Wow Those graphics look amazing

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/9/2010 2:45:41 PM   
Panama


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Status: offline 		Yeah, looks great.

In the huge view numbers are good. Can they be made less fuzzy and more sharp in the zoomed out view? Old age is a curse for the eyes. Happens to almost all of us.

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/10/2010 11:05:31 AM   
X.ray

 

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Status: offline 		This is fabulous!! Thanks damezzi!
One thing that was on my wishlist - would it be possible to show the direction the unit is currently facing? Pariticularly easy to be forgettable in a PBEM game and then you may suffer the flank punishment!

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RE: New Alpha Graphics Mod - 1/10/2010 6:13:49 PM   
damezzi

 

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Status: offline 		Panama, I've already changed the fonts to make it cleaner in the normal view. I'll not say it isn't possible to make it still more readable using only black pixels and displaying jaggy edges, but the difference would be very, very small and not worth it. The problem here is the size (in terms of resolution); if you open the numbers.bmp file, you'll see it. I think that the huge view will be used more frequently now, not necessarily because of better graphics resolution, but also because Ralph did a nice job making zoom faster. The first time we zoom in takes a while, but then the zoom becomes much faster and one can zoom in and out with a lot of ease.
An easily accessible keyboard hotkey would make things yet more easy. Ralph has already set the space bar to hide and show units, which is something very helpful. Well planed hotkeys are a really nice substitute to a graphical interface. Anyone who learns to work well with hotkeys in any software package will tell you the investment in time (some packages can present a huge number of hotkeys) was worth and some aspects of the graphical interface becomes obsolete.

X.ray, showing units facing is an engine change. I don't know if Ralph plans doing it.

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