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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/12/2011 2:01:14 PM   
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The presence of a Naval HQ will speed up repair too - you have prepositioned one at Perth to help you with emergency repairs to warships haven't you ?????

NB. pretend I don't know that you don't read the manual

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/12/2011 5:30:14 PM   
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I don't think we budgeted for the number of De Sotos and Packards that would be coming into the shop all at once.


I don't believe there is a naval HQ at Perth. I believe the naval HQ evacuated from Manila is at Sydney. There is also a naval support unit from Cebu at either at perth or Gerladton. If I understnad correctly, even naval support capability from an engineering support unit counts, not jsut HQ's.

We also have a RAN support unit at Port Headland.

Wasp is repairing at Perth. The two damaged RN BB's are at Geraldton. Illustrious is very lightly damaged. As it stands now, the last of the three carriers to be ready will be Yorktown. If Nevada makes it to Geraldton she can go no further.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/12/2011 5:54:25 PM   
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AFAIK a naval HQ provides a bonus above and beyond the count of naval support squads. Nice when you have one. If there's time, you could rail it in?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/12/2011 5:57:08 PM   
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... If I understnad correctly, even naval support capability from an engineering support unit counts, not jsut HQ's...




Correct.

The Naval HQ has no magical healing power by itself. It is just an HQ. What a Naval HQ has in its favour is that it is composed of naval support squads. It is the naval support squads themselves which provide the additional repair points which in turn are applied to effecting ship repairs. For your purposes, any unit which incorporates naval support squads suffices.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/12/2011 6:22:42 PM   
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8.1.1 HEADQUARTERS

These are all support troops (the much-maligned “brass” sitting in the rear). However, these
rear-area troops earn their keep in War in the Pacific, Admiral’s Edition™ by providing large
numbers of support personnel to support other units and for construction and logistics tasks.
They give combat benefits to combat units who are within a certain range, generally the same
hex, and enable more bombers to fly Missions from bases under their control. A unit can benefit
from its HQ, of which there are six types:

» Command - Helps in several ways. They help in giving a bonus to ground
combat. If no Corps HQ is in range of a ground unit, the Command HQ can give
a bonus like a Corps HQ if it is in range of a ground unit. If there is a Corps HQ
within range of the battle, and the Command HQ is within 2 times its command
range of the battle, it can add up to an additional 90% bonus to the Assault
Value of an attacking force for odds calculations. The bonuses are impacted by
the leaderships rating of the commander of the HQs. Command HQs are also
important for air replacements and upgrades (see section 16.2.3 for details).

» Army - Helps with ground combat. Ground units in range can gain up to
a 10% bonus to their Assault Value (whether attacking or defending).

» Corps – Helps with ground combat. Ground units in range can gain up to
a 10% bonus to their Assault Value (whether attacking or defending).

» Amphibious – Helps amphibious invasions suffer fewer losses.

» Naval – Helps to speed ship repair time.

» Air – Helps by allowing more aircraft to fly and allows more air units
to be based at a base with this type of HQ, coordinating aircraft
replacement/upgrades and supporting more groups at a base.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/12/2011 7:12:31 PM   
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8.1.1 HEADQUARTERS

These are all support troops (the much-maligned “brass” sitting in the rear). However, these
rear-area troops earn their keep in War in the Pacific, Admiral’s Edition™ by providing large
numbers of support personnel to support other units and for construction and logistics tasks.
They give combat benefits to combat units who are within a certain range, generally the same
hex, and enable more bombers to fly Missions from bases under their control. A unit can benefit
from its HQ, of which there are six types:

» Command - Helps in several ways. They help in giving a bonus to ground
combat. If no Corps HQ is in range of a ground unit, the Command HQ can give
a bonus like a Corps HQ if it is in range of a ground unit. If there is a Corps HQ
within range of the battle, and the Command HQ is within 2 times its command
range of the battle, it can add up to an additional 90% bonus to the Assault
Value of an attacking force for odds calculations. The bonuses are impacted by
the leaderships rating of the commander of the HQs. Command HQs are also
important for air replacements and upgrades (see section 16.2.3 for details).

» Army - Helps with ground combat. Ground units in range can gain up to
a 10% bonus to their Assault Value (whether attacking or defending).

» Corps – Helps with ground combat. Ground units in range can gain up to
a 10% bonus to their Assault Value (whether attacking or defending).

» Amphibious – Helps amphibious invasions suffer fewer losses.

» Naval – Helps to speed ship repair time.

» Air – Helps by allowing more aircraft to fly and allows more air units
to be based at a base with this type of HQ, coordinating aircraft
replacement/upgrades and supporting more groups at a base.



Because of its naval support squads and the range that their benefit is extended compared to being in a different type of unit.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/13/2011 8:44:06 PM   
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****************October 16, 1942*****************


A Jap DD was snooping around by Exmouth and was attacked by SBD's from Carnavon. Yukaze got to try out her new rudder which worked really well. She also scared off some transports unloading at Exmouth.

Exmouth at 65% of level one. Carnavon at 2.6 level airfield. Jap carriers are on station about 400 mi NW of Exmouth trying to prevent any resupply of PH. They can stay there for 3 weeks if they want. We don't need to resupply PH becasue the Beta fixed the hoarding problem in one turn. Now we can turn loose 2 1/2 divisions worth of arty plus an Austrailian Medium Arty Regt.

PH airfield is repairing and might be operational so soem of the medium bombers at Meekathara and Geraldton switched to arifield missions. Broome at 65% runway damage and Wyndham at 100%. Wyndham is socked in so the B-24's will switch to Broome today.

Merauke fell so Catalinas are moving in today. Madang and Port Moresby under daily attack to keep the Torres Strait open.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/13/2011 10:44:16 PM   
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We don't need to resupply PH becasue the Beta fixed the hoarding problem in one turn.


Woo-hoo!

Umm...doesn't the beta patch fix the borkulated supply draw too? You know, the one that allows you to draw supply in N. Australia across a 400-mile dirt path to feed 2.5 divisions plus Arty? I suspect that a good deal of your supply pathways would have to be reconfigured if this is the case.


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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/13/2011 10:56:09 PM   
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We don't need to resupply PH becasue the Beta fixed the hoarding problem in one turn.


Woo-hoo!

Umm...doesn't the beta patch fix the borkulated supply draw too? You know, the one that allows you to draw supply in N. Australia across a 400-mile dirt path to feed 2.5 divisions plus Arty? I suspect that a good deal of your supply pathways would have to be reconfigured if this is the case.



Had their been a dirt path from Meekathara to Port Hedland or even a mythical railway we would not have lost 3 carriers trying to get there. Had there been a previous fix for unit hoarding I dont think we would have lost any carriers.

102nd Engineer Bn. still has 16,500 tons of supply, down from 19,000 last turn. As long as we can make another supply run to PH when the carriers are ready, the landing force and PH will NOT be evicted with the force JJ has there now. Depending on the JJ supply/resupply situation, we may even be able to attack and take the place before the carriers come back.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/13/2011 11:26:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
We don't need to resupply PH becasue the Beta fixed the hoarding problem in one turn.


Woo-hoo!

Umm...doesn't the beta patch fix the borkulated supply draw too? You know, the one that allows you to draw supply in N. Australia across a 400-mile dirt path to feed 2.5 divisions plus Arty? I suspect that a good deal of your supply pathways would have to be reconfigured if this is the case.




Had their been a dirt path from Meekathara to Port Hedland or even a mythical railway we would not have lost 3 carriers trying to get there. Had there been a previous fix for unit hoarding I dont think we would have lost any carriers.

102nd Engineer Bn. still has 16,500 tons of supply, down from 19,000 last turn. As long as we can make another supply run to PH when the carriers are ready, the landing force and PH will NOT be evicted with the force JJ has there now. Depending on the JJ supply/resupply situation, we may even be able to attack and take the place before the carriers come back.



Yes this is quite a problem in the land of Oz. I have never been able to draw supply north of Alice Springs even with the stock patch. I can tell you that the lack of an ability to move Oil, Fuel, Resources and Supplies greatly efffects the game. It effects not only operational supply but the strategic transport of supply, oil, and fuel. Prior to upgrading I lost TK's because fuel would not transfer along the rail lines, and of course submarines awaited to deliver their fate ..Now I unload in Perth and over time the Fuel and Oil makes it way to Melbourne and Sydney. A much more playable game.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 12:04:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
We don't need to resupply PH becasue the Beta fixed the hoarding problem in one turn.


Woo-hoo!

Umm...doesn't the beta patch fix the borkulated supply draw too? You know, the one that allows you to draw supply in N. Australia across a 400-mile dirt path to feed 2.5 divisions plus Arty? I suspect that a good deal of your supply pathways would have to be reconfigured if this is the case.




Had their been a dirt path from Meekathara to Port Hedland or even a mythical railway we would not have lost 3 carriers trying to get there. Had there been a previous fix for unit hoarding I dont think we would have lost any carriers.

102nd Engineer Bn. still has 16,500 tons of supply, down from 19,000 last turn. As long as we can make another supply run to PH when the carriers are ready, the landing force and PH will NOT be evicted with the force JJ has there now. Depending on the JJ supply/resupply situation, we may even be able to attack and take the place before the carriers come back.



Yes this is quite a problem in the land of Oz. I have never been able to draw supply north of Alice Springs even with the stock patch. I can tell you that the lack of an ability to move Oil, Fuel, Resources and Supplies greatly efffects the game. It effects not only operational supply but the strategic transport of supply, oil, and fuel. Prior to upgrading I lost TK's because fuel would not transfer along the rail lines, and of course submarines awaited to deliver their fate ..Now I unload in Perth and over time the Fuel and Oil makes it way to Melbourne and Sydney. A much more playable game.


Not my experience with stock patch i version. Supply in and around the Darwin area, via mythical railway or mythical dirt path flows with alacrity.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 12:52:12 AM   
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That's not supply flow, CB, it's proper planning for your ThreadWar LYB's coming to visit.  

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 1:16:44 AM   
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I think it has been pretty well established that the mysterious "supply walkabout" phenomenon in the Katherine only applies to the LYB's.

That is how they were able to land in Wyndham and walk across the desert and cut off Darwin in WWII(c)

I think it is secret code..sort of a sleath, terrestrial "Zero bonus".

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 4:10:50 AM   
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I think it has been pretty well established that the mysterious "supply walkabout" phenomenon in the Katherine only applies to the LYB's.



For real? I hadn't heard that before...

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 1:55:32 PM   
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Captain Binns Minor MC (promoted and decorated for the bicycle tyre affair in Malaya); I say, you there, American chappie!
PFC Ramon Leon: Wadda ya want bud?
Captain Binns Minor MC: Are all these crates really yours? It's just that well you know, we seem to be missing some of our gear.
PFC Leon: We found it all on the beach. It's ours
Captain Binns Minor MC: Well that's as maybe, do you mind if I look inside?
PFC Leon: Look, it says 105 ammo and that's what's in the box buddy.
Captain Binns Minor: 105? Oh, you chaps are using that god awful French system, it'll never catch on in Blighty you know. I'll just take a quiclk shufti. (Opens nearest crate) Oh, I say, this one's full of bully beef.... and this one bren ammo. I rather think you have the wrong crates my good man.
PFC Leon: Yeah, okay bud.
Captain Binns Minor: Look, I'll have my quarterbloke talk to your quarter bloke and we'll have this all sorted out in a jiffy, what?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 2:27:53 PM   
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Here is the thing. Why does it always have to be the Puertorriqueno with the street vernacular and involvement in suspected illegal activity? Why can't it be a Jew? That's what I want to know. I'll tell you why. You see, the Puertorriqueno is stereotyped as ill-educated and racially inclined to crime. Plus, all the writers are Jewish and especially the publsihers are Jews and they are not going to allow something bad to be said about the Jews.

We, the members of las Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña, hereby post notice that the Jew headquaters of this organization will be attacked (if we can find out where it is) or we might hire an attorney too.


Commandante Once, FALNP*


PS..What is a "tyre"?


* The orgnaization is aware that this is hard to pronounce. We are working on a new title but we just spent $300 on letterhead so it will stay until we are done with our letter-writing campaign.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 2:38:19 PM   
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CPO Sharkey: Goddmanit Lefkowitz, did I not tell you I wanted the "sunk/damaged vessels report" updated by Oh seven hundred?


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CPO Sharkey: You're ****tin' me?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 2:41:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Here is the thing. Why does it always have to be the Puertorriqueno with the street vernacular and involvement in suspected illegal activity? Why can't it be a Jew? That's what I want to know. I'll tell you why. You see, the Puertorriqueno is stereotyped as ill-educated and racially inclined to crime. Plus, all the writers are Jewish and especially the publsihers are Jews and they are not going to allow something bad to be said about the Jews.

We, the members of las Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña, hereby post notice that the Jew headquaters of this organization will be attacked (if we can find out where it is) or we might hire an attorney too.


Commandante Once, FALNP*


PS..What is a "tyre"?


* The orgnaization is aware that this is hard to pronounce. We are working on a new title but we just spent $300 on letterhead so it will stay until we are done with our letter-writing campaign.




Yowza! Holy Toledo!

(You do realise that $300 in 1942 is equivalent to $4,000 in 2011 - I believe your Puertorriquenos were overcharged by that Jewish copywriter whose services they engaged!)

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 3:02:14 PM   
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Speaking of which.

The unit cost for a B-17E in World War II was apparently just over $238,000.

That equates to about $3.25 million.

That's actually not that expensive if you think about it? If you bear in mind the unit costs of attack aircraft in use today?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 3:19:34 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 4:27:31 PM   
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* The orgnaization is aware that this is hard to pronounce.


Not nearly as hard to pronounce as "Orgnaization". Seriously: "Oh-Err-Guh-Nay-Zay-Shun". Whew!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 4:30:22 PM   
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Captain Binns Minor MC (promoted and decorated for the bicycle tyre affair in Malaya)


Captain Binns, eh? I understand that he made quite a name for himself falling off his bike throughout the UK later in life. If memory suits, he damaged his sandwich in one particular episode and had to have it repaired.


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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 4:30:25 PM   
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Speaking of which.

The unit cost for a B-17E in World War II was apparently just over $238,000.

That equates to about $3.25 million.

That's actually not that expensive if you think about it? If you bear in mind the unit costs of attack aircraft in use today?


.."Fuddy Duddy" went up for sale for about $3.5 Million. in 2005 ..

The real cost of a B-17 is not the Sticker price . they require lots of love and care relected in aviation support and supplies to keep them flying. About $5K per hour in 2011 terms ..

Ok back to the war ...

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 4:41:06 PM   
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Captain Binns Minor MC (promoted and decorated for the bicycle tyre affair in Malaya)


Captain Binns, eh? I understand that he made quite a name for himself falling off his bike throughout the UK later in life. If memory suits, he damaged his sandwich in one particular episode and had to have it repaired.



Yes, but the cost of the marmite was covered by insurance.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 4:41:43 PM   
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It could be an Irishman who was accepted as an Italian mobster hijacking trucks as they leave the port. Okay, Okay, in the movie it was trucks leaving the airport, but you get the idea. And the thing is, it was a true story about that Irishman who was an Italian mobster and he was played by an Irishman with an Italian screen name! DeNiro.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 5:47:52 PM   
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.."Fuddy Duddy" went up for sale for about $3.5 Million. in 2005 ..

The real cost of a B-17 is not the Sticker price . they require lots of love and care relected in aviation support and supplies to keep them flying. About $5K per hour in 2011 terms ..

Ok back to the war ...


My neighbor bought Fuddy Duddy. It flew over my house (and his) about 3 weeks ago with a B-25 chase plane. The tail is pointed bright yellow and is HUGE. It looks like a flying tail with the rest of the plane stuck on as an afterthought. I am pretty sure it does not have a muffler either. It sounded like they were being gentle on the engines because it sounded like they were barely turning over.

I saw they guy on the toll road yesterday in his Lincoln with his driver. There are two toll road exits. One saves about 50 cents but you have to drive past the unwashed near the Target store. That is where I got off. As a social experiment, I watched where his driver exited. Anyone want to guess?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 6:02:16 PM   
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I don't know, Cap'n. Seems as though your neighbor, being one of those 1%ers for whom we can blame for all our societal ills, should want to increase his day-to-day contact with the teeming masses in order to show that he's a real Joe, just like them. Maybe he'll have an assistant do it for him. Those masses can be messy when they're teeming.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 6:24:43 PM   
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Nope...he has been beat up pretty badly by the real estate crunch and then there is all that B-17 gas. He is not in the Forbes 400 any longer.


As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure, WE, the disciples of AE/WITP, are the 1%.


We may even be the 0.1%

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 6:32:49 PM   
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Nope...he has been beat up pretty badly by the real estate crunch and then there is all that B-17 gas. He is not in the Forbes 400 any longer.


As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure, WE, the disciples of AE/WITP, are the 1%.


We may even be the 0.1%


I keep telling people that I am not part of the 99% the campers up in NYC are "advocating for." Now, I know why, I'm part of the 0.1%.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/14/2011 7:03:22 PM   
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