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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/21/2012 2:23:47 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/21/2012 2:31:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Allied losses first screen. The other fighter losses are the F4F-3 (early carrir battles and fighting around New Scotland), Dutch planes (probably bird strikes), Hurricane IIb (Burma, Singers)), H81A3 (Burma, Singers), P40-B (Pearl Harbor, PI), P-400 New Scotland




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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/21/2012 2:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		we have also lost quite a few PBY-5 and C-47 although not s single C-47 has been lost to intercept.

The Old B-26 is the 2nd highest land based bomber lost.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/21/2012 3:03:59 PM   
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we have also lost quite a few PBY-5 and C-47 although not s single C-47 has been lost to intercept.

The Old B-26 is the 2nd highest land based bomber lost.


I am not as far along as you and Spirior but all my C-47 losses are also Operational Losses .. and dead transport pilots too ... I am sooo glad that the average student pilot today gets through their first 10 hours a lot better than these clowns Otherwise their would be a cottage industry here in the US .. "Did you attempt flight training between 1941 - 1945? There were serious deficiencies in training, and you might be eligible for compensation! See our website at Bad-Pilot.com to see if you or your loved ones are entitled to compensation! " Hmmm I seem to be killing more transport pilots in training than the Navy ship builders are dying from mesothelioma ...

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Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 3:18:03 PM   
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Oz: A quiet day with poor weather over PH. The B-17's and B-24's come in drips at drabs at night, destroying a number of Tojos and getting some runway hits. Then the P-38's and Beaufighters sweep in the day, trading 1:1 with the Tojos. Nagato bombards the Allied troops the night of 18/19.

Then, in the afternoon, some Bettys go after King's African Rifles

Afternoon Air attack on 22nd (East African) Brigade, at 57,129 (Port Hedland)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 1 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 13



Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Oh yeah...almost forgot...then there was this

Ground combat at Port Hedrand (57,129)

Japanese Deriberate attack

Attacking force 49746 troops, 461 guns, 208 vehicles, Assault Value = 1598

Defending force 22897 troops, 572 guns, 427 vehicles, Assault Value = 607

Japanese adjusted assault: 1360

Allied adjusted defense: 411

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

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Defender:
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2610 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 250 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1218 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 173 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 54 disabled
Guns lost 41 (1 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)


Assaulting units:
5th Division
56th Recon Regiment
4th Infantry Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
66th Infantry Group
77th Infantry Regiment
65th Brigade
56th Engineer Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
6th Guards Division
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /2
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
22nd Air Flotilla
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
16th Army
30th Fld AA Gun Co
51st JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
32nd Infantry Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
2nd British Division
10th USN Naval Construction Battalion
34th Aviation Base Force
7th RAN Base Force
14th USN Naval Construction Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment

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RE: With the Morelia Boys - 1/21/2012 3:19:32 PM   
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CCB = Calcium Channel Blocker HCTZ = hydrochlorothiazide .. SJS = stevens johnson syndrome. Hydrochlorothiazide is s drug used to treat high blood pressure, and has rare but nasty adverse reaction of stevens johnson syndrome.....



Stevens Johnson Syndrome??? I thought it was invasion plan for Kendari?


You have the worng code book CPTN Mandrake! I transmitted you the plans for Oosthaven!

On the Betty gone back feedback Chickenboy .. At this early stage of the game I thought the IJ could replace these losses in scenario #2 with no problems if he chooses to do so? Heck Rader vs. Greyjoy had Betty's till '44 and he had lot's of "gone bad days" ...where am I off base?

You're not off base, IMO. Figure a typical construction of 50 Bettys / month, after 11 months would yield 550. Tip that up to 75 and turn off production when things are full, and 825 is manageable. 75 G4M1 is a little high, but it's not breaking the bank, particularly for a scenario 2.

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RE: With the Morelia Boys - 1/21/2012 3:23:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hate to give any consolation to the bad guys (Allies), but in my opinion, they're doing fine in the air war at this time. Establishing near loss parity with the IJ in Scenario 2 is no simple task. This bodes ill for the LYBs in late 1943-1944, IMO.

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 3:26:11 PM   
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Oh yeah...almost forgot...then there was this


Oh...the loss of THAT Army corps...

Have you reconsidered your focus on airfield attacks for the time being? Looks like JJ has enjoyed the respite and recovered some LCU disablement / disruptions.

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RE: With the Morelia Boys - 1/21/2012 3:26:54 PM   
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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 3:30:34 PM   
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Oh yeah...almost forgot...then there was this


Oh...the loss of THAT Army corps...

Have you reconsidered your focus on airfield attacks for the time being? Looks like JJ has enjoyed the respite and recovered some LCU disablement / disruptions.


Yes. We are just going to have to switch everything back over to daytime ground attack and the losses be damned. We are lucky we didn't get our pale booties (well most of them) expelled from the vacation spot that is Port Hedrand.

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 3:33:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quick...somebody who read the rules exprain this:

They achieved 3:1 but we were not forced to retreat, nor did they take down our forts. How did this happen...or perhaps was M.M. involved?

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 3:38:42 PM   
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Quick...somebody who read the rules exprain this:

They achieved 3:1 but we were not forced to retreat, nor did they take down our forts. How did this happen...or perhaps was M.M. involved?


I should have thought you'd have been expelled too. Perhaps next turn (with a shock attack for flavor), Yankee dogs. .

I also noticed comparatively fewer infantry squad losses / disablements in your forces than the attackers, in spite of 3:1 headwinds against you. I can't explain that either...

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 3:51:19 PM   
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Quick...somebody who read the rules exprain this:

They achieved 3:1 but we were not forced to retreat, nor did they take down our forts. How did this happen...or perhaps was M.M. involved?


I should have thought you'd have been expelled too. Perhaps next turn (with a shock attack for flavor), Yankee dogs. .

I also noticed comparatively fewer infantry squad losses / disablements in your forces than the attackers, in spite of 3:1 headwinds against you. I can't explain that either...


Cap Mandrake has been working hard on those die rolls ...

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 4:05:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes..here is what I do. I put the dice down on the felt and carefully turn them so the opposite side of the desired number of spots is pointing up and line them up, aiming at the middle of the Come line on the opposite side of the table. Then I press my open palm down deliberately on the dice..hard. I close my eyes and visualize the number as dots. If I see a seven, I scramble dice and start over. When all the liver nodules have lined up properly, I pick up the dice with my thumb and first two fingers and fling them with a quick 75 degree upward flick of the wrist with the aim of landing about 2/3 the way down the opposite Come line.

I find this strategy tends to work like crap...the real kind of crap I mean.

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 4:20:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the resources we have to throw at this problem.

1) Air Forces at Meekathara, Geraldton and Carnarvon. A bunch of heavies and a goodly number of B-25's. We only have about 20-25 P-38's at best, a few Beaufighters and we could move some Hurricane IIc's to Exmouth, they could reach PH. Also a few F4F's that cant fit on the carriers could go in. The TBF's that cant fit on the carriers could fly from Exmouth.

2) The Carriers. Yorktown, Wasp and Irrustrious in three separate Air Combat TF with AAA at 2900 for Irrustrious and about 3600 for the USN carriers. The air groups are F4F and SBD-heavy. I think we could field about 100 F4F/Sea Hurricane, 19 Albacore, 18 TBF and the rest SBD.

3) 4 BB group 2 days out from PH

5) Repulse as escort for the carriers

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 5:15:02 PM   
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Quick...somebody who read the rules exprain this:

They achieved 3:1 but we were not forced to retreat, nor did they take down our forts. How did this happen...or perhaps was M.M. involved?


IIRC your guys (yah yah, little electronic guys, OK?) invaded from the sea. So, Emperor's minions hold all the hex sides. To quote Chaz Palmentarri's (I have no hope of spelling that name right) character in A Bronx Tale "Youz was ask to leave nicely. Now youz can't leave."

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 5:33:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Further, with all the guys they've brought in they are aiming for the total destruction of your forces there. You need to invite them to the mother of all sea battles and take control of the ocean in that area.

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 5:47:46 PM   
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Yes..here is what I do. I put the dice down on the felt and carefully turn them so the opposite side of the desired number of spots is pointing up and line them up, aiming at the middle of the Come line on the opposite side of the table. Then I press my open palm down deliberately on the dice..hard. I close my eyes and visualize the number as dots. If I see a seven, I scramble dice and start over. When all the liver nodules have lined up properly, I pick up the dice with my thumb and first two fingers and fling them with a quick 75 degree upward flick of the wrist with the aim of landing about 2/3 the way down the opposite Come line.

I find this strategy tends to work like crap...the real kind of crap I mean.

I see the problem here. If the come line is on the opposite side of the table from you, you must be playing from the Pit Boss' / dealer's side of the table. They generally frown on that behavior, sir.

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 5:51:34 PM   
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Here are the resources we have to throw at this problem.

1) Air Forces at Meekathara, Geraldton and Carnarvon. A bunch of heavies and a goodly number of B-25's. We only have about 20-25 P-38's at best, a few Beaufighters and we could move some Hurricane IIc's to Exmouth, they could reach PH. Also a few F4F's that cant fit on the carriers could go in. The TBF's that cant fit on the carriers could fly from Exmouth.

2) The Carriers. Yorktown, Wasp and Irrustrious in three separate Air Combat TF with AAA at 2900 for Irrustrious and about 3600 for the USN carriers. The air groups are F4F and SBD-heavy. I think we could field about 100 F4F/Sea Hurricane, 19 Albacore, 18 TBF and the rest SBD.

3) 4 BB group 2 days out from PH

5) Repulse as escort for the carriers


I'd hesitate to recommend using any of your carrier forces to support the PH ground troops, Cap'n. With JJ sitting offshore with carrier forces, he'd relish the opportunity to spring on any carrier forces that were solely attacking ground forces.

Sounds like the forces you have in "1)" above are the only immediately pertinent ones.

How are your little green dudes doing for supply in PH?

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 8:38:41 PM   
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Yes..here is what I do. I put the dice down on the felt and carefully turn them so the opposite side of the desired number of spots is pointing up and line them up, aiming at the middle of the Come line on the opposite side of the table. Then I press my open palm down deliberately on the dice..hard. I close my eyes and visualize the number as dots. If I see a seven, I scramble dice and start over. When all the liver nodules have lined up properly, I pick up the dice with my thumb and first two fingers and fling them with a quick 75 degree upward flick of the wrist with the aim of landing about 2/3 the way down the opposite Come line.

I find this strategy tends to work like crap...the real kind of crap I mean.

I see the problem here. If the come line is on the opposite side of the table from you, you must be playing from the Pit Boss' / dealer's side of the table. They generally frown on that behavior, sir.


The come line curves around .. and I am thinking the humor here [correct me if I am wrong] is bouncing the dice off other players stacked bets on and behind the come line on the oposite side.....

I solve this problem by betting the "dark side" Nothing like don't bets to kill the party .. the only guy screaming when "7 out!"

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/21/2012 8:47:48 PM   
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Probably best not to engage with the carriers. If we lose an uneven exchange we would have most of our offensive options curtailed.

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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/22/2012 4:21:33 AM   
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RE: Madre de Dios! (mon Diuex) - 1/22/2012 4:21:57 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/22/2012 2:53:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look, I imagine Admiral Lord SPrior may be a little bit surly when he finds out about the Jap 3:1 attack at Port Hedrand. You see, it was my job to keep the airfield shut down.

I would appreciate it if you chaps don't say anything about it, OK?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/22/2012 2:55:13 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/22/2012 2:58:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		My tentative plan is to do the turn real quick when it comes in and then send it to him with combat.txt file (with the Port Hedrand attack scrubbed out).

Do you think he will fall for it?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/22/2012 3:36:08 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/22/2012 3:43:00 PM   
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Admiral Lord SPrior may be a little bit surly


Hmmm...how ever will we be able to tell?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/22/2012 4:05:40 PM   
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RE: With the Morelia Boys - 1/22/2012 6:58:11 PM   
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Your "Doctor Grumpy" thought of the day to pull this AAR from Page 2 purgatory.

Some days a patient reminds me of the (dwindling) reasons why I still love this job.


Dr. Grumpy: "Have you had any neck pain?"

Mr. Awesome: "I have no idea."

Dr. Grumpy: "You don't know if you have neck pain?"

Mr. Awesome: "Look, doc, I'm 89. If you pay attention to every ache and pain at my age you become a f****ng hypochondriac."


That is why I ask the patient "how are your daily activites going along .. any pain?" "how is your sleep? any pain where do you usually sleep?" etc .. this gets the pain that interferes with life ..

Ok back to the war ...


Santa Maria! What were you thinking? Don't ask questions to which you will get an affirmative answer! You will never get out of the room and get home to turn an AE turn.

Better would be the strategy used by the only borderline hot female student in my medical school class. She was obsessive enough to really ask EVERY question on the review of systems but she couldn't tolerate "yes" answers, so she would say to the 82 year old veteran,

"I'm going to ask you a few questions. Just stop me if you think the answer is yes."

Then she would consult her written list and start reading faster than a hockey announcer, "Do you have cough, wheezing, shortness of breath, productive sputum, night sweats, weight loss, appetite change, excessive urination......blah, blah, blah".

The poor guy probably had half the symptoms but couldn't form a word fast enough to answer "yes" and before he could interrupt her, he had forgotten what the question was. It was simultaneously hilarious and sad to watch. She went into academic medicine. I doubt she's hot any more.


Reminds me of a resident I worked with with I was doing my 3rd year internal med rotation: this guy hated positive answers, too, but he had a different technique: He'd ask people, "Do you have headaches, seizures, weakness, numbness, balance problems, and do you beat your wife?"

"Do you have chest pain, shortness of breath lying down, rapid irregular heartbeat, and do you molest children?

He got nothing but "nos," went into academic medicine, too.

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