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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/23/2013 7:08:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whoa. Luzon appears pretty vulnerable after first round of recon. 1/2 of 7th SeaBees was destroyed last night but most of 26th SeaBees and an EAB got ashore. San Jose is fully reapired and now starts the build to level 2. LYB carrier(s) NW Manila. Cagayan should be level 5 in 3-4 days.




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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/23/2013 10:24:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Evidently there are no full LYB divisions on Luzon. That is good news. Perhaps a brigade at Clark and 112 tankettes/ Remarkably little at Manila.


As both Batangas and Lucena are unoccupied, I think it will be best to take both so we can put about 100 fighters in the air on Day 2.

I f we push things, we can start in about a week.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 12:14:04 AM   
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I think Biggles, Sandy and Ginger pranged them all.


Former stenographers at Kandy House?


Does anyone else have trouble figuring out this Engrish stuff?

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 1:24:33 AM   
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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 2:10:38 AM   
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I think Biggles, Sandy and Ginger pranged them all.


Former stenographers at Kandy House?


Does anyone else have trouble figuring out this Engrish stuff?


My first time in the UK a taxi driver welcomed me and told me "You'll find we're very civilized here. We speak English." I not so gradually learned he was lying! Or as others might observe, maybe they do speak English, but I speak American.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 2:45:51 AM   
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Hmmm ... I just realized that the books I read as a kid actually was a forecast of this AAR.






Biggles' mates are going to be embarrassed when they find out he just bombed that Essex class. Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island. That isn't any Jap carrier, even though it's flying the rising sun.

I wonder if maybe...hmmm...

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 6:52:04 AM   
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Hmmm ... I just realized that the books I read as a kid actually was a forecast of this AAR.



Biggles' mates are going to be embarrassed when they find out he just bombed that Essex class. Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island. That isn't any Jap carrier, even though it's flying the rising sun.

I wonder if maybe...hmmm...

Well, that's what they get for trying to sneak into Japanese controlled waters by flying their colours! Didn't anyone tell them that someone always fails to get the message warning friendly aircraft of the ruse? Oh-oh ... the ship's captain didn't get the message about people not getting the message, did he.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 11:00:20 AM   
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Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island


No, that was the "re-imagining" This is the real one:






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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 11:06:35 AM   
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I f we push things, we can start in about a week.


Can we get there faster and with more than they can?

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 2:31:51 PM   
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Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island


No, that was the "re-imagining" This is the real one:








Is that a Beaufort VIII? If so, why don't they have torps?

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 2:47:59 PM   
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I f we push things, we can start in about a week.


Can we get there faster and with more than they can?


No and yes. They can get there first and we can bring more. 503rd PIR either has to walk or fly to Cagayan because they cant reach the landing beaches from Cotabato. Their Type II's can drive down there quickly but they have to figure out where we are going first. As for bringing in major help from Formosa or Japan or Indochina...seems like they should be doing that. That is the reason for the rush.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 2:49:42 PM   
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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 3:37:31 PM   
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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 3:52:59 PM   
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Let sleeping dogs lie. You just don't want to know.


Agreed. But you should provide us with any pictures that you are able to obtain from the event.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 4:00:28 PM   
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Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island


No, that was the "re-imagining" This is the real one:



I imagine that there is some imagination in that one as well. Why are the other ships in such close formation? Why are the drawn planes facing the stern of the ship? He at least got the right number of rays on the rising sun flag (16), so there's a consolation.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 4:15:56 PM   
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Let sleeping dogs lie. You just don't want to know.


Agreed. But you should provide us with any pictures that you are able to obtain from the event.

Oh yes - pictures! You should probably go to Bolt-On Girl (I can't spell Pocahontas) for sympathy.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 7:45:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Santa Maria! That was a painful turn to enter. We shall see what comes of it.

Amphbious taffys either loading or departing at Derby, Darwin, Noumea, Merauke, Samlauki, Sorong, Cagayan, Butuan all bound eventually for Luzon.

Fifth Air Force flying in to Sidate (now level 5) so the B-24's can hit Southern Luzon. Smallish P-38 sweep over Manila planned. Air raids over Altimonan and Leyte.

I decide to airlift 503rd to Cagayan.

Crusier bombardment of Baybay on Leyte.

Light cruiser group to San Jose to protect some LCT's and perhaps draw in a carrier raid.

Formed up most of the CVE's after finding LYB carriers NW of Manila. They will be needed to provide air support on the run in to Luzon. The upgrades wilol have to wait as the opportunity is too great.


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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 7:46:27 PM   
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Let sleeping dogs lie. You just don't want to know.


Agreed. But you should provide us with any pictures that you are able to obtain from the event.

Oh yes - pictures! You should probably go to Bolt-On Girl (I can't spell Pocahontas) for sympathy.



Well, techincally Bolt-On Girl is still married. As a matter of fact, so am I.

She was supposed to go on the girl's night trip but her step mother got hurt in a car accident.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 7:51:16 PM   
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Santa Maria! That was a painfur turn to entah. We sharr see what comes of it.

Amphibious taffys either roading or depahting at Derby, Darwin, Noumea, Merauke, Samrauki, Sorong, Cagayan, Butuan arr bound eventuahrry for Ruzon.

Fifth Air Force frying in to Sidahte (now revel 5) so the B-24's can hit Southern Ruzon. Smahrrish P-38 sweep over Manira planned. Air raids over Artimonan and Reyte.

I decide to airrift 503rd to Cagayan.

Crusier bombardment of Baybay on Reyte.

Right cruiser group to San Jose to protect some RCT's and perhaps draw in a carrier raid.

Formed up most of the CVE's aftah finding RYB carriers NW of Manira. They wirr be needed to provide air support on the run in to Ruzon. The upgrades wirr have to wait as the opportunity is too great.





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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 7:52:59 PM   
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She was supposed to go on the girl's night trip but her step mother got hurt in a car accident.


So she's in need of a sympathetic ear then.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 8:46:08 PM   
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Ussually followed by "OK, watch this!" and then the broken bones, head injury or nut-cruncher injury.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 8:47:50 PM   
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Ramree indeed is ungarrisoned. There are some Type II's at the crossing of the Irrawaddy at Prome and a whole bunch at Shwebo




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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 8:58:41 PM   
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Hmmm ... I just realized that the books I read as a kid actually was a forecast of this AAR.






Biggles' mates are going to be embarrassed when they find out he just bombed that Essex class. Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island. That isn't any Jap carrier, even though it's flying the rising sun.

I wonder if maybe...hmmm...



Let's see..Commonwealth aircraft attacking a US carrier flying Japanese colors. 10:1 Milo is involved somehow.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 8:59:24 PM   
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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 9:05:36 PM   
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Let's see..Commonwealth aircraft attacking a US carrier flying Japanese colors. 10:1 Milo is involved somehow.


I think warrant officer 0/0 may have found short-term work on board a USN carrier. Working for M&M Enterprises Surreptitious Flagraising Division has got to be lucrative pay.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 9:09:47 PM   
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Situation Burma.

Ramree indeed is ungarrisoned. There are some Type II's at the crossing of the Irrawaddy at Prome and a whole bunch at Shwebo


Diabetics? On an Asian diet?

With that army you've got tasked for Ramree, would you consider a landing at Moulmein instead? What's JJ got there? Taking Moulmein as a coup de main would unhinge JJ's entire Burma position.

With that lot you've got tasked for Ramree, it's exceedingly unlikely that he would be able to dig you out before you built Moulmein's defenses and airfield into a fortress.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 9:59:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I landed at Moulmein once in stock WITP. Completely destroyed the Japanese position in Northern Burma.

There are two main problems:

1) Jap airfields all over prace

2) Our randing force would be 50% disrupted.

There has to be something there. The place has a garrison requirement. Level 4 airfield <drools>

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/24/2013 10:05:39 PM   
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I landed at Moulmein once in stock WITP. Completely destroyed the Japanese position in Northern Burma.

There are two main problems:

1) Jap airfields all over prace

2) Our randing force would be 50% disrupted.

There has to be something there. The place has a garrison requirement. Level 4 airfield <drools>


What's recon show you? Would it be worth another two months of prep time for the main body of your force to prepare for a different position? Honestly, I'd recommend that over slogging through the malarial fens of Ramree.

Plus, just think of your opponent's facial expression when you landed in force at Moulmein.

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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/25/2013 2:42:04 AM   
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Note the multiple 5" turrets near the island


No, that was the "re-imagining" This is the real one:







Is that a Beaufort VIII? If so, why don't they have torps?


Correct manufacturer, wrong product......




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RE: The IKEA effect - 2/25/2013 3:20:39 PM   
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Poor, suffering San Jose: <I always felt poor suffering San Jose..you know..Saint Joseph..was a most deserving saint. He had to go along with the whole mythology thing. One time, I heard he lost it and told a client that the company's (Saul's Cedar of Lebanon Cabinetry) cabinets were not solid cedar as advertized. They fired him, of course.>

Anyway, we just sent 3 new engineer units, one of which was half destroyed at sea, the airstrip is repaired and now here comes ******* Haruna again. JJ runs over Seal on the way in. Serves him right for dumping Heidi.

ASW attack near Busuanga at 76,81

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
SS Seal, hits 6



SS Seal is sighted by escort
Seal bottoming out ....
DD Yayoi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yayoi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yayoi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yayoi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yayoi attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub


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Night Time Surface Combat, near San Jose at 78,84, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
CL Naka
DD Teruzuki
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
PT-187
PT-189
PT-191

Only one of the PT boats had torps. They did what they were told.


Night Naval bombardment of San Jose at 78,84

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 12 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 13 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed on ground
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
CL Naka


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled


Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 9

BB Haruna firing at San Jose
CL Naka firing at San Jose

Saury has a go at Teruzuki on the way back out.

Sub attack near Lubang at 77,78

Japanese Ships
DD Teruzuki
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
SS Saury



SS Saury launches 4 torpedoes at DD Teruzuki

Ouch! Then the sun comes up.

Morning Air attack on San Jose , at 78,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17



Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1 Corsair x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed

I guess Juneau turned around because the LYB carrier goes after the PT boats. The Corsairs do their magic.

Morning Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 78,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M3a Zero x 9
B5N2 Kate x 13



Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1 Corsair x 10


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PT-189
PT-191



Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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