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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 10:46:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unescorted attack on the DD's at Horrycrappo-jima?

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Miyako-jima at 91,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 4

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

More... the Corsair LRCAP from Batan Is can't reach. Just some F6F's from the carriers.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Miyako-jima at 91,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 8 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Abbot

Even some Herens.

Afternoon Air attack on Miyako-jima , at 91,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 10:48:31 AM   
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Naha at 93,70

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
A6M3a Zero x 19

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25
SBD-3 Dauntless x 10
SBD-5 Dauntless x 11
TBF-1 Avenger x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 6 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu
CVL Ryuho
CL Yubari
CVE Chuyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 10:55:17 AM   
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We haven't seen Soryu for a while.



No, we have not.

2 torpedo hits on Wasp.

1 bomb hit on Soryu. Chuyo probably sunk or sinking.

You have to say that is bad for us taking half of our carriers out of action, even if there is now a retirement.

Very, very heavy air losses for the WJD's at least. We will probably give up the landings at Horrycrappo-jima for now.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 11:26:52 AM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 1:50:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, this is keeping with the finest traditions of this game of limping along on a shoestring, Cap'n. Impressive adherence to your narrative context.

Interesting that (FINALLY!) we're seeing some A6M5 in action for the IJNAF. Don't recall seeing these before. Still way too many A6M2s involved for my comfort.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 3:44:06 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		Well, I watched the replay. LBA is coming from Takao. The IJN carriers are about 120 nm ESE of the US carriers. Large numbers of US planes recovered to Batan Is., which means that Wasp cannot do fright ops. Both Soryu and Wasp had secondary exprosisons.

Also there was no afternoon attack by the IJN. Perhaps Soryu can't do fright operation either..or they have no pirots arive. One might also ask why the PBY's spotted the IJN inbound but did not spot one of the three carriers.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 3:49:53 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		Luzon: In other action, WJD ground units at Aparri were hit heavily by B-24's from Mindanao.

No attack at Vigan even though I moved all the ships and most of the aircraft out just in case. Hundreds of bombers sorties over Vigan got cancelled due to weather.

Bettys reach as far South as Iba to go after the 32nd ID convoy but were repulsed with fighters from Iba.

Small air attacks on shipping at Altimonan, probably frying from Manira, were repulsed by the CAP.


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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 3:58:55 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		More on Horycrappo-jima, Iriomote and the rest of the Ryukus: I was wrong about no air drop. 1st Marine Para has started landing at Horycrappo-jima. This is good because JJ tried again to get troops ashore there yesterday. They do have a garrison on Iriomote now. JJ has shipping at Kume-jima near Okinawa, probably putting troops ashore there as well.

They are trying to stop the "drop and plop" strategy.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:20:58 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		Pranning: Wasp will retire toward Batan Is. with cover from Yorktown. The IJN CVL is unhurt and Soryu may be able to fight but their air complements were decimated.

Amphibious groups likely have to turn around.

No landing at Naha until Essex arrives (late June).

We can try to get some support to Horycrappo-jima by LCT/LCI/LST.

In the meantime we can build up Batan Is and take Aparri and begin an air campaign over Takao.


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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:24:15 PM   
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I think you made them angry.



Yes, looks that way. Quite a well-timed attack by Imperiar High Command. The combination of the carriers and the Bettys from Takao broke a carrier badly and took away half of our CV force. They had been scrimping for a bit to pull that off. The threat of an eventual level 7 airfield on Horycrappo-jima has their full attention.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:25:57 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:27:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Game mechanics question on river crossing. The first unit across has to shock attack over a big defensive bonus and then we own the hexside and units crossing on subsequent turns do not? Is that correct? What if the initial assaulting unit is destroyed but we retain unengaged units in the target hex?

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:34:14 PM   
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Game mechanics question on river crossing. The first unit across has to shock attack over a big defensive bonus and then we own the hexside and units crossing on subsequent turns do not? Is that correct? What if the initial assaulting unit is destroyed but we retain unengaged units in the target hex?

Changed long ago in a patch. What you state is correct up to the part about subsequent units. Exact language in the patch notes somewhere, but basically for subsequent units to not be required to shock attack, attacker must have AV equal to at least 1/3 of defender's AV already in hex and which crossed by the same hex side. So the rationale is that 1/3 ratio is required to hold a safe bridgehead.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:34:27 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		Here is the situation at Aparri.

242 AV already ashore but quite a bit of disablement due to a staff flunkie. Remainder of Br 2nd Div coming over from Laoag with some armor in the lead.

If the armor crosses first, can Br 2nd get across without an attack?




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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:39:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Here is the situation at Aparri.

242 AV already ashore but quite a bit of disablement due to a staff flunkie. Remainder of Br 2nd Div coming over from Laoag with some armor in the lead.

If the armor crosses first, can Br 2nd get across without an attack?




The only bit about the patch language that I have not verified in my own experience is the part where the 1/3 ratio must have crossed by the same hex side.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:40:10 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Game mechanics question on river crossing. The first unit across has to shock attack over a big defensive bonus and then we own the hexside and units crossing on subsequent turns do not? Is that correct? What if the initial assaulting unit is destroyed but we retain unengaged units in the target hex?

Changed long ago in a patch. What you state is correct up to the part about subsequent units. Exact language in the patch notes somewhere, but basically for subsequent units to not be required to shock attack, attacker must have AV equal to at least 1/3 of defender's AV already in hex and which crossed by the same hex side. So the rationale is that 1/3 ratio is required to hold a safe bridgehead.



Ah, quite a clever rule to prevent someone like me...er..I mean an unscrupulous commander from sending a unit like this across the subvert the defensive bonus.




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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:43:16 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: witpqs


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Here is the situation at Aparri.

242 AV already ashore but quite a bit of disablement due to a staff flunkie. Remainder of Br 2nd Div coming over from Laoag with some armor in the lead.

If the armor crosses first, can Br 2nd get across without an attack?




The only bit about the patch language that I have not verified in my own experience is the part where the 1/3 ratio must have crossed by the same hex side.



Right and what about this case where there are already superior Arried forces IN the hex but JJ controls the hex and the hexsides because we landed amphbiously? Do the forces already in the hex count in the strength calculation?

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:44:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Game mechanics question on river crossing. The first unit across has to shock attack over a big defensive bonus and then we own the hexside and units crossing on subsequent turns do not? Is that correct? What if the initial assaulting unit is destroyed but we retain unengaged units in the target hex?

Changed long ago in a patch. What you state is correct up to the part about subsequent units. Exact language in the patch notes somewhere, but basically for subsequent units to not be required to shock attack, attacker must have AV equal to at least 1/3 of defender's AV already in hex and which crossed by the same hex side. So the rationale is that 1/3 ratio is required to hold a safe bridgehead.



Ah, quite a clever rule to prevent someone like me...er..I mean an unscrupulous commander from sending a unit like this across the subvert the defensive bonus.




But even though the patch note says it that way, for it to be coded that way he would have had to add stuff to keep track of who crossed by what hex side, something I feel certain was not already in there (as there was no need of it).

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:45:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Here is the situation at Aparri.

242 AV already ashore but quite a bit of disablement due to a staff flunkie. Remainder of Br 2nd Div coming over from Laoag with some armor in the lead.

If the armor crosses first, can Br 2nd get across without an attack?




The only bit about the patch language that I have not verified in my own experience is the part where the 1/3 ratio must have crossed by the same hex side.



Right and what about this case where there are already superior Arried forces IN the hex but JJ controls the hex and the hexsides because we landed amphbiously? Do the forces already in the hex count in the strength calculation?

For the initial crossing they definitely do NOT count. the stated intent is that they would not count even for subsequent crossings, but that is the part I have not seen a clear example of in my own games.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:50:18 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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But even though the patch note says it that way, for it to be coded that way he would have had to add stuff to keep track of who crossed by what hex side, something I feel certain was not already in there (as there was no need of it).



So you are suggesting I might have to try and find out.

Perhaps the best solution is to try an attack with the 242 AV already in the hex FIRST. There nearly 12K Emperor-brand Kool-Aide drinkers there in a clear hex and likely some fortification.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slightly OT: Grumble, grumble i think M&M enterprises should allow Peyton Manning to have a come back on the japanease side in this game!!!

Btw Simon and Cap are u aware of the new matrix games forum rules, recently instituted under the supervision of the NoFunLeague. If u dont finnish a game with an AAR before such time that an AAR thread has to be reopened in a new thread. As u have reached the 999 page maximum. That its an automatic forfeit of the game at hand.

Just saying,

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:55:31 PM   
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Slightly OT: Grumble, grumble i think M&M enterprises should allow Peyton Manning to have a come back on the japanease side in this game!!!

Btw Simon and Cap are u aware of the new matrix games forum rules, recently instituted under the supervision of the NoFunLeague. If u dont finnish a game with an AAR before such time that an AAR thread has to be reopened in a new thread. As u have reached the 999 page maximum. That its an automatic forfeit of the game at hand.

Just saying,

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Great Scot! You guys had better stop fooling around with the slow, methodical advance and transfer Patton into the theater.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 4:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		If Peyton Manning pray on Japan-mens side they not-ah have trousers that fit. He rook rike he wearing coorots. Also, they not-ah have hermets for his gigantic toaster head.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 5:20:58 PM   
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Great Scot! You guys had better stop fooling around with the slow, methodical advance and transfer Patton into the theater.



We trying to kirr Japan-mes but they keep-ah fighting. Rot of Koor-aide.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 5:29:23 PM   
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British sentry manning a checkpoint with a wooden barrier across the road: <A US Army command jeep pulls up> Good morning sir, passport please.

Lt Gen Bowen, CO, 1st US Amphibious Corps: Passport!? What the **** are you talking about Corporal?

British sentry manning a checkpoint with a wooden barrier across the road: Orders of General Glover, sir. You are entering His Majesty's Sovereign Colony of Laoag, sir.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 6:14:17 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 6:20:46 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 6:27:55 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 6:56:00 PM   
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They are trying to stop the "drop and plop" strategy.


Ah! Good a-strategy for man both aframe and with cryptosporidiosis! Hai!

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/7/2013 7:01:25 PM   
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Perhaps they can form a line as indicated but they had better hurry.



Confuscious say: "Japanese men out of position hosed: all wet."

There doesn't rook rike any defensive line short of Pegu. Troubre big time for ah-Japanese men. Hai!

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