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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 5/28/2010 6:08:22 PM   
Nikademus


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Status: offline 		Don't stress it. Anybody who's played WitP for an extended period of time knows that you have to play conservatively against the AI otherwise it can be easily confused.

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 5/29/2010 7:54:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Don't stress it. Anybody who's played WitP for an extended period of time knows that you have to play conservatively against the AI otherwise it can be easily confused.




and that´s the point where you should look for the three hours daily to be spent on a PBEM

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 5/29/2010 3:14:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: castor troy
and that´s the point where you should look for the three hours daily to be spent on a PBEM


If I had those, I'd be very happy. But I barely can spent an average of 1 hour every 2nd day to play games. Sometime none for a whole week. That's why I unfortunately have to stay away from MMOPG, or PBEM type games. But with all the effort Andy puts into the AI scripting, I think this is a worthy purchase. Of course if they patch the AI basics to make it more dynamic and give it some more powerful scripting functions, then this game would ensure to be the gold standard for another at least 10 years. Else I hope they'll make enough sales of AE that any addon or a WITP III willl come true. BTW, does anyone know the sales numbers for WITP vs AE? Just curious, how many people play this.

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 7/21/2010 7:00:16 AM   
Rapunzel


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Status: offline 		After a break I continued the game. It is now 7 months later into the game. I conquered the northern part of Honshu and i am sieging Tokio.



Is it possible to take this town with its heavy urban bonus and level 9 forts? 72 units are a lot to overcome. I did a probe atack last turn:


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Ground combat at Tokyo (114,60)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3360 troops, 231 guns, 254 vehicles, Assault Value = 901

Defending force 68812 troops, 698 guns, 689 vehicles, Assault Value = 1024

Allied adjusted assault: 1

Japanese adjusted defense: 9329

Allied assault odds: 1 to 9329 (fort level 9)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 165 (98 destroyed, 67 disabled)


Assaulting units:
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Division
2nd Marine Division
225th Field Artillery Battalion
154th FA Bn
I US Amphib Corps
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
198th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
205th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
165th Field Artillery Battalion
209th Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
206th Coast AA Regiment

Defending units:
1st South Seas Gsn
II/84th Naval Guard Unit
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Indpt SNLF Coy
18th Garrison Unit
9th Tank Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
12th Division
41st Infantry Regiment
7th Burma Militia Regiment
9th Malay Militia Regiment
Shanghai SNLF
24th Infantry Rgt /1
51st Construction Battalion
3rd Air Defense AA Regiment
73rd JAAF AF Bn
58th JNAF AF Unit
72nd JAAF AF Bn
108th JAAF AF Bn
Kashiwa JAAF Base Force
61st Division Engineer Battalion
1st Air Defense AA Battalion
3rd Air Army
5th Air Defense AA Regiment
Burma Area Army
C./50th JNAF Coy
58th Construction Battalion
49th JAAF AF Bn
30th Field AA Machinecannon Company
1st JAAF AF Bn
3rd Ind.AA Gun Co
77th JAAF AF Bn
B./50th JNAF Coy
63rd JNAF AF Unit
63rd JAAF AF Bn
63rd Field AA Battalion
61st Field AA Battalion
55th JAAF AF Bn
Haranomachi JAAF Base Force
Southern Army
2nd Area Army
83rd JAAF AF Bn
20th JAAF Base Force
11th Shipping Engineer Regiment
56th JNAF AF Unit
1st Air Army
40th JNAF AF Unit
45th JNAF AF Unit
1st Ind.AA Gun Co
1st Air Division
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Air Division
6th Air Defense AA Regiment
178th JAAF AF Bn
General Defence Army
177th JAAF AF Bn
109th JAAF AF Bn
101st JAAF AF Bn
68th JAAF AF Bn
57th JNAF AF Unit
22nd Air Flotilla
Eastern Army
1st Air Defense AA Regiment
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
70th JAAF AF Bn
113th JAAF AF Bn
23rd AA Regiment
23rd Fld AA Gun Co
60th Field AA Battalion
52nd JNAF AF Unit
Kasumigaura JNAF Base Force
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The defender seems to be out of supply. The modified av value is still very high. I can muster only about 4000 av. (big garrison requirements take about 4 divs out of offensive operations now). Any advices for me?

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 7/21/2010 11:47:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Withdraw to one of your own hexes? AI tends to come chasing you if you retreat. If you pull out of there, chances are that the AI will come after you and since they are not protected by forts, they would be vulnerable to your forces. More armour would help.

I use this strategy in China when taking Canton/ Hong Kong. Overrun Canton and then send as large an army as possible to Hong Kong. When I try to pull out, AI attacks and even pursues. Canton is by then decently fortified (level 3 or 4) and AI divisions smash themselves against my massed forces. Then move in for the kill... Offensive/defensive at its best

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 7/21/2010 11:58:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		AI seems to have very few real combat units there. bring in some Combat Engineers and you should be able to take down fort levels.

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 7/21/2010 1:50:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heck, yeah, you can take Tokyo.  Japan has a lot of units, but not a relatively large number of troops for that many units.  As Sardaukar suggests, send in the Combat Engineers to start chipping away at those forts, and bomb, bomb, bomb.  The defender already has a negative combat modifier for supply.  He's cut off, so eat up those supplies and pound him into submission.  

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 7/21/2010 4:23:19 PM   
Rapunzel


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Status: offline 		It seems to work. Some turns later the forts are down to 7 and i allready get 1:2 odds... . I am sieging with 3600 assault points. Troops need 4-5 days rest after each deliberate atack. Hopefuly there wont be a fresh japanese div spawning in Tokio the next month

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RE: Is the AI able to defend Japan? - 7/25/2010 11:44:41 AM   
Rapunzel


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Status: offline 		Finaly Tokio in Allied hands!



The victory points from Tokio ended the game.



Quit fun game. Thx to the AE team. Good work. The air battle for tokio was realy hard work.

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